Question on rewrite rules - APACHE - GoFuckYourself.com

mikesouth · 12-22-2007, 11:45 PM

Ok I have wordpress running and it has a bunch of rewrite rules

on the same site I have added a members section with its own .htaccess which is your standard require valid user htaccess file

problem is the directory is inheriting the rewrite rules of the parent

I tried adding rewriteengine off at the top of the .htaccess in the child but it didnt have any effect

how do i cancel the rewrite rules for the child so that my members area works (currently gets a 404 error that shows up in wordpress) even though the html file exists and is readable

if i do turn the rewriteengine off is there something I need to do to make apache see it? Im lost on this stuff

Thanks

teksonline · 12-22-2007, 11:52 PM

any subdirectory of a parent directory with a new .htaccess file should take the new ruleset, sounds to me like a web server configuration problem in this regards somehow...

mikesouth · 12-22-2007, 11:55 PM

yes i understand this what I want to do is essentially turn off the rewrite rules in that subdirectory but I want to keep them in the parent and all other subdirectories

mikesouth · 12-22-2007, 11:56 PM

thats why I thought simply putting rewriteengine off in the subdirectory would do the trick...but it didnt and I dont understand why...is it some sort of caching issue?

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 12:00 AM

no, you shouldnt have to turn it off, a empty .htaccess would mean no rules..... put any membership rules of course whatever is/was there.

you have to check httpd.conf for how you have access setup, perhaps there's new features to mod_rewrite for sub directories based on recent security issues, I have not been an freelance admin in some time as
there is no longer a need for such a thing, so I have to say I am a bit out of the loop in the exact problem..

maybe they now require to be setup via <directory> or ifmodule commands to proccess over the parent...

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 12:04 AM

oh one more thing to consider is the ruleset of the parent .htaccess

for example, maybe the request is being "captured" by the parent .htaccess file thus never executing the subdirectory request.

based on one of the rewriterules catching all or whatever your calling

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:06 AM

damn well netbilling cant add their stuff because the authentication doesnt work...the hosting company said it doesnt work because of the rewrite rules in the parent.

but none of em can tell me HOW TO MAKE IT WORK

Just damn

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teksonline

oh one more thing to consider is the ruleset of the parent .htaccess

for example, maybe the request is being "captured" by the parent .htaccess file thus never executing the subdirectory request.

based on one of the rewriterules catching all or whatever your calling

I bet this is whats happening....is there a rule that will essentially say

when going to memberdir/index.htm dont fuck with the url or matter of fact dont fuck with any url in site.com/memberdir

I dunno squat about apache

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 12:10 AM

well i do know your problem is probably this now

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule . /index.php [L]

but not being to keen on how wordpress works, i have no immediate idea solution, i will poke around a bit

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teksonline

well i do know your problem is probably this now

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule . /index.php [L]

but not being to keen on how wordpress works, i have no immediate idea solution, i will poke around a bit

yup thats the wordpress .htaccess

and what Im looking to do is build the members area in a child directory called membersarea

the embers area will be completely outside of wordpress once they enter it they leave wordpress for good

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:17 AM

BTW this does work on my southernbukkake.com site but it was on ccbill and had strongbox on it so it never had a problem for somereason

its a new members area on another site thats having the problem....

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 12:22 AM

do you have access to the wordpress .htaccess on that old server, i would like to see it

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:26 AM

its the same as the one you posted and also the same as the one on mikesouth.com which is the site having the problem

I think the difference is in the .htaccess provided by strongbox...its huge and has a ton of stuff I dont understand in it

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:27 AM

but the problem is I cant have strong box on it till netbilling is set up
and netbilling cant set up until authentication works

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 12:32 AM

start small

on the new blog, create a subdirectory called test
inside test create a .htaccess
----- .htaccess file
RewriteEngine On
----- end .htaccess file

ok now inside this test directory make a file called moo.html

.... moo.html contents
MOO
... end moo.html

ok now call this file... does it load in your browser and show MOO?

if so,

edit .htacces file in test subdirectory
.... insert this line at end of file
RewriteRule ^moo.html$ /foo.html

no reload moo.html does it redirect to a 404 page? it should meaning
everythign is working fine

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 12:34 AM

and for a final note, try calling your members section something else, maybe something inside wordpress uses members or a members.php or something thus causign the confliction

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teksonline

start small

on the new blog, create a subdirectory called test
inside test create a .htaccess
----- .htaccess file
RewriteEngine On
----- end .htaccess file

ok now inside this test directory make a file called moo.html

.... moo.html contents
MOO
... end moo.html

ok now call this file... does it load in your browser and show MOO?

if so,

edit .htacces file in test subdirectory
.... insert this line at end of file
RewriteRule ^moo.html$ /foo.html

no reload moo.html does it redirect to a 404 page? it should meaning
everythign is working fine

all this worked perfectly just as you said it should

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:58 AM

ok now this makes NO sense
i move the members dire and the content into test and I can access it

then I move the .htaccess file (looks like this)

AuthUserFile /home/user/public_html/sitename/cgi-bin/.htpasswd
AuthGroupFile /dev/null
AuthName Members
AuthType Basic
require valid-user

into the dir and it breaks again and stays broken even after I remove the .htaccess file or replace it with one that simply says rewriteengine on

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 12:59 AM

I guess I will pick this up tomorrow...I sure dont get it ...I do deeply appreciate your help

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:01 AM

then there's no real problem... all is working fine .htaccess wise.

you can try as suggested above and rename your members subdirectory to something else and see if its functioning the same,

also try calling a html file etc in that subdirectory...
debug from there

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:02 AM

np, the wordpress template or wordpress itself probably is interpreting the members as members.php and taking control from there..

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:04 AM

it works fine UNTIL I put a .htaccess file in there requiring validation...then iyt breaks...and whats weird is it stays broken even after I remove the .htaccess file completely

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:05 AM

if ya want Im happy to give you access to it via ssh shoot me an email to [email protected]

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:06 AM

oh and I dont call it members

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:06 AM

hehe, sounds like browser cache is giving you problem as well..
always hold down ctrl-key when reloading pages...

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:07 AM

and it broke moo.html

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teksonline

hehe, sounds like browser cache is giving you problem as well..
always hold down ctrl-key when reloading pages...

ok THAT could be

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:09 AM

BINGO...so now i know why it stays broken....Ok I guess Im staying up after all

at least now I know why my mods to htaccess didnt seem to do anything

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:09 AM

its me from adlt.xxx before someone spoofs me and hacks your box lol

woj · 12-23-2007, 01:14 AM

just create a subdomain
instead of domain.com/members/
do members.domain.com

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:17 AM

thats no fun

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:23 AM

ok teksonline...sent

setting up a subdomain might be a good sultion...dont know how to do it but i bet its easier to figure out than this...

Damian_Maxcash · 12-23-2007, 01:25 AM

I am not great at this stuff - but have you got the SEO URL option turned on?

If you can use short urls like www.mybog.com/mypost then every request will trigger .htaccess to try and rewrite it. If it cant handle it, it will 404.

Probably too simple, but sometimes its the simple things

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:28 AM

im south1226 on aol or yahoo IM btw

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian_Maxcash

I am not great at this stuff - but have you got the SEO URL option turned on?

If you can use short urls like www.mybog.com/mypost then every request will trigger .htaccess to try and rewrite it. If it cant handle it, it will 404.

Probably too simple, but sometimes its the simple things

I do have that plugin

Damian_Maxcash · 12-23-2007, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I do have that plugin

I wasnt thinking of the seo plugin - I was thinking of permalinks.

Do you have them turned on?

Remember I might just be confusing the issue - ignore me if you are not sure.

But I know that permalinks (in options) will mess around with all urls it trys to read and dosnt understand.... For example if you have added something to .htaccess to make it work with something else.

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:40 AM

ya i have permalinks set that way too...but sounds like teksonline knows what he is doing...maybe he can be of help

Im friggin lost

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:42 AM

well, i see it works fine.

i see two problems

your .htaccess file is the strangest i have come across that uses
an allow ip structure..

allow ip
allow ip
allow ip
deny

so basically if a surfers ip is not in here, he is denied access to members section ( so i assume you have some sorta software that adds these ip's)

so i go to 2nd problem and most likely culprit
AuthUserFile /usr/home/blah/blah/blah/blah/blah/password/.htpasswd

this is invalid path, so therefor it has nothing to authenticate

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:45 AM

yer lookin in the wrong dir

that members dir is old and inactive

look at newmembers

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:46 AM

didnt see a newmembers but i did see a newemembers

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:48 AM

fuck i renamed it wrong

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:49 AM

no i didnt newmembers is there

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:52 AM

hehe refresh that newmembers directory now, you see that wierd hiccup on refresh?

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:54 AM

ya i do see that

is it trying to rewrite the password directory?

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:55 AM

where is your error logs, nm, i found em

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 01:56 AM

[Sun Dec 23 03:56:19 2007] [error] [client xx.xx.xx.xx] client denied by server configuration: /home/<changed>/public_html/<changed>/newmembers

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 01:58 AM

ok whats that mean....

teksonline · 12-23-2007, 02:03 AM

you recently change name servers or any goofyness like that? i can't even create a error log entry all of a sudden, tells me the request is going to some other server

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 02:06 AM

no nameserver changes in over 3 months

mikesouth · 12-23-2007, 02:09 AM

does it tell you the ip of the other server?

12-22-2007, 11:45 PM	#1
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	Question on rewrite rules - APACHE Ok I have wordpress running and it has a bunch of rewrite rules on the same site I have added a members section with its own .htaccess which is your standard require valid user htaccess file problem is the directory is inheriting the rewrite rules of the parent I tried adding rewriteengine off at the top of the .htaccess in the child but it didnt have any effect how do i cancel the rewrite rules for the child so that my members area works (currently gets a 404 error that shows up in wordpress) even though the html file exists and is readable if i do turn the rewriteengine off is there something I need to do to make apache see it? Im lost on this stuff Thanks __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-22-2007, 11:55 PM	#3
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	yes i understand this what I want to do is essentially turn off the rewrite rules in that subdirectory but I want to keep them in the parent and all other subdirectories __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-22-2007, 11:56 PM	#4
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	thats why I thought simply putting rewriteengine off in the subdirectory would do the trick...but it didnt and I dont understand why...is it some sort of caching issue? __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 12:06 AM	#7
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	damn well netbilling cant add their stuff because the authentication doesnt work...the hosting company said it doesnt work because of the rewrite rules in the parent. but none of em can tell me HOW TO MAKE IT WORK Just damn __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 12:17 AM	#11
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	BTW this does work on my southernbukkake.com site but it was on ccbill and had strongbox on it so it never had a problem for somereason its a new members area on another site thats having the problem.... __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-22-2007, 11:52 PM	#2
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	any subdirectory of a parent directory with a new .htaccess file should take the new ruleset, sounds to me like a web server configuration problem in this regards somehow...

12-23-2007, 12:00 AM	#5
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	no, you shouldnt have to turn it off, a empty .htaccess would mean no rules..... put any membership rules of course whatever is/was there. you have to check httpd.conf for how you have access setup, perhaps there's new features to mod_rewrite for sub directories based on recent security issues, I have not been an freelance admin in some time as there is no longer a need for such a thing, so I have to say I am a bit out of the loop in the exact problem.. maybe they now require to be setup via <directory> or ifmodule commands to proccess over the parent...

12-23-2007, 12:04 AM	#6
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	oh one more thing to consider is the ruleset of the parent .htaccess for example, maybe the request is being "captured" by the parent .htaccess file thus never executing the subdirectory request. based on one of the rewriterules catching all or whatever your calling

12-23-2007, 12:10 AM	#9
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	well i do know your problem is probably this now RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d RewriteRule . /index.php [L] but not being to keen on how wordpress works, i have no immediate idea solution, i will poke around a bit

12-23-2007, 12:22 AM	#12
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	do you have access to the wordpress .htaccess on that old server, i would like to see it

12-23-2007, 12:26 AM	#13
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	its the same as the one you posted and also the same as the one on mikesouth.com which is the site having the problem I think the difference is in the .htaccess provided by strongbox...its huge and has a ton of stuff I dont understand in it __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 12:27 AM	#14
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	but the problem is I cant have strong box on it till netbilling is set up and netbilling cant set up until authentication works __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz. Last edited by mikesouth; 12-23-2007 at 12:28 AM..

12-23-2007, 12:32 AM	#15
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	start small on the new blog, create a subdirectory called test inside test create a .htaccess ----- .htaccess file RewriteEngine On ----- end .htaccess file ok now inside this test directory make a file called moo.html .... moo.html contents MOO ... end moo.html ok now call this file... does it load in your browser and show MOO? if so, edit .htacces file in test subdirectory .... insert this line at end of file RewriteRule ^moo.html$ /foo.html no reload moo.html does it redirect to a 404 page? it should meaning everythign is working fine

12-23-2007, 12:34 AM	#16
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	and for a final note, try calling your members section something else, maybe something inside wordpress uses members or a members.php or something thus causign the confliction

12-23-2007, 12:58 AM	#18
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	ok now this makes NO sense i move the members dire and the content into test and I can access it then I move the .htaccess file (looks like this) AuthUserFile /home/user/public_html/sitename/cgi-bin/.htpasswd AuthGroupFile /dev/null AuthName Members AuthType Basic require valid-user into the dir and it breaks again and stays broken even after I remove the .htaccess file or replace it with one that simply says rewriteengine on __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 12:59 AM	#19
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	I guess I will pick this up tomorrow...I sure dont get it ...I do deeply appreciate your help __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:01 AM	#20
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	then there's no real problem... all is working fine .htaccess wise. you can try as suggested above and rename your members subdirectory to something else and see if its functioning the same, also try calling a html file etc in that subdirectory... debug from there

12-23-2007, 01:02 AM	#21
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	np, the wordpress template or wordpress itself probably is interpreting the members as members.php and taking control from there..

12-23-2007, 01:04 AM	#22
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	it works fine UNTIL I put a .htaccess file in there requiring validation...then iyt breaks...and whats weird is it stays broken even after I remove the .htaccess file completely __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:05 AM	#23
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	if ya want Im happy to give you access to it via ssh shoot me an email to [email protected] __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:06 AM	#24
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	oh and I dont call it members __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:07 AM	#26
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	and it broke moo.html __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:09 AM	#28
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	BINGO...so now i know why it stays broken....Ok I guess Im staying up after all at least now I know why my mods to htaccess didnt seem to do anything __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:14 AM	#30
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	just create a subdomain instead of domain.com/members/ do members.domain.com __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

12-23-2007, 01:17 AM	#31
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	thats no fun

12-23-2007, 01:23 AM	#32
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	ok teksonline...sent setting up a subdomain might be a good sultion...dont know how to do it but i bet its easier to figure out than this... __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:25 AM	#33
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	I am not great at this stuff - but have you got the SEO URL option turned on? If you can use short urls like www.mybog.com/mypost then every request will trigger .htaccess to try and rewrite it. If it cant handle it, it will 404. Probably too simple, but sometimes its the simple things

12-23-2007, 01:28 AM	#34
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	im south1226 on aol or yahoo IM btw __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:40 AM	#37
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	ya i have permalinks set that way too...but sounds like teksonline knows what he is doing...maybe he can be of help Im friggin lost __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:42 AM	#38
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	well, i see it works fine. i see two problems your .htaccess file is the strangest i have come across that uses an allow ip structure.. allow ip allow ip allow ip deny so basically if a surfers ip is not in here, he is denied access to members section ( so i assume you have some sorta software that adds these ip's) so i go to 2nd problem and most likely culprit AuthUserFile /usr/home/blah/blah/blah/blah/blah/password/.htpasswd this is invalid path, so therefor it has nothing to authenticate

12-23-2007, 01:45 AM	#39
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	yer lookin in the wrong dir that members dir is old and inactive look at newmembers __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:46 AM	#40
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	didnt see a newmembers but i did see a newemembers

12-23-2007, 01:48 AM	#41
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	fuck i renamed it wrong __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:49 AM	#42
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	no i didnt newmembers is there __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-23-2007, 01:52 AM	#43
teksonline So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At My Desk Posts: 2,904	hehe refresh that newmembers directory now, you see that wierd hiccup on refresh?