Guns, violence, and Europe - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

nico-t · 12-08-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ServerGenius

b.t.w. My country isn't even in the nationmaster list......that could be of 2
reasons...we're either smart enough not to kill eachother or because we have
very strict fire arms laws....I'll let you decide on this one

ah that's easy, we're all too smart around here

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-08-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

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fucking hell. I am all for passing an iq test before you are allowed to use the internet.

Me too. then I would not need to waste time with you here.

Cause you would have to stick with trying to outsmart someone in real.. which is off course a litlle but tougher.

You know, I like the US tradition of trying to act like badass, beeing abusive, I actually enjoy that and I have many friends in US and I love those guys.

But let me give you advice, KEEP IT VIRTUAL ! once you would try this in real around here you could end up real bad

scottybuzz · 12-08-2007, 10:38 AM

no, you simply posted something that was retarded and I corrected you and asserted the fact you are a retard. I am not acting tough, i am simply stating the truth. Plus I am not from usa anyway.

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-08-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

Nah, in general the further North in Europe you go, the harder working and more successful the people are, nobody gave anything for free to Norway, they absolutely earned their quality of life, on the other hand if you go South people are lazier, party more, and work less. I believe it is genetic to a degree, the harsher the conditions you live in, the harder you have to try, and that gets passed from generation to generation.

but you made some pretty good points in your post

You right, actually the people I know from Scandinavia or UK are one tough motherfuckers.. what I mentioned is more related to many postsocialistic states and oversocialistic states (like France for example)..

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-08-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

no, you simply posted something that was retarded and I corrected you and asserted the fact you are a retard. I am not acting tough, i am simply stating the truth. Plus I am not from usa anyway.

So what's the country so proud to get such a badass son?

scottybuzz · 12-08-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

So what's the country so proud to get such a badass son?

Czech Republic

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-08-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

Czech Republic

Yeah I experinced many wankers in Czech Republic so it's absolutely no surprise to me..

Actually let me educate you a bit from basics of communication, if you think something sounds retarded you CAN actually point out that you think it's retarded and come up with a counter argument.

Once you call someone a moron, it's not a good or relevant point. That's the old school way how it works here, no matter if it's the virtual or the real world, and I am going to respect it myself no mattter if we are on GFY or not.

scottybuzz · 12-08-2007, 10:55 AM

can you just end your ramblings and get back on the topic of violence in europe please? It is very intersting

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-08-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

can you just end your ramblings and get back on the topic of violence in europe please? It is very intersting

Thank you! I am taking this as a guarantee of no more silly posts from your side here.

MaDalton · 12-08-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Awesome read really - thanks for the link. I've often wondered why the Nazis didn't go and take their chocolate. Now I know.

or because switzerland voluntarily cooperated with the nazis and helped them to wash the money, gold and art the nazis stole from the jews

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-08-2007, 05:29 PM

Let's bump the fuck up, I want to hear your reactions..

raven1083 · 12-08-2007, 05:58 PM

If no one has gun i think no one will need a gun too. Violence will not spread out . Unity is needed in order to achieve peace.

Drake · 12-08-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by D

Fact: As the courts have affirmed time and time again, U.S. citizens are not constitutionally entitled to police protection.

Our forefathers declared the citizen as the ultimate authority in our country. The Founding Fathers knew that this authority must be backed by lethal force, and for the rest of time. We're a Republic. We're not a Police State.

Just as having a populace trained in CPR and the Heimlich maneuver can be an asset to society, so can be an armed society properly trained in weapon use.

The tragedies are a shame when they happen, but perhaps they're a part of living in a free society with mentally unstable people.

I say the answer's in treating the people... and many of you are telling me the answer's in limiting the freedom.

Let's not forget that, historically, the first step toward tyranny has nearly always been disarming the populace.

It continues to baffle me how many people are consistently willing to surrender their liberties for an illusion of greater security.

truth

Drake · 12-08-2007, 06:37 PM

Before talk of banning guns why not decipher the stats first.

1) How much gun violence is there in total? Not a percentage, but actual shooting deaths?

2) Of those, how many are gang related? (ie. illegal business disputes)

3) Of those, how many are undertaken by mentally unstable or overly-medicated people?

4) Of those, how many sought help didn't receive any?

That's just a start. After that contrast it to the potential benefits and freedom of owning gun(s) and the number of gun owners who do not and have never engaged in violent gun activity.

GreyWolf · 12-08-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

Before talk of banning guns why not decipher the stats first.

Too sensible. That's like asking for facts - and these would distort the whole issue

VicD · 12-08-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ServerGenius

So to protect the idiots from themselves and the people on the other end
of the gun it's better to restrict ownership of guns...

You don't get it, think about it a little more

stev0 · 12-08-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

As far as I know the most gun assaults happen in UK where it's illegal to posses a gun.

Looks like the UK is one of the safest places on that list

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-08-2007, 08:09 PM

Read my shit ladies I really thought a lot before posting that ...

sacX · 12-09-2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by davidd

Omaha, Nebraska:

http://www.ketv.com/newsarchive/14785654/detail.html

Virgina Tech Shooter:

http://www.newstarget.com/021798.html
Red Lake Highschool Shooting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/26/na...partner=rssnyt

Columbine:

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9904/29/luvox.explainer/

"

I think you're reading too much into it. Perhaps it's because they're depressed and fucked up that they shoot people not because they take anti-depressants. Pretty much everyone who has been diagnosed clinically depressed would have been prescibed anti-depressants at some stage.

sacX · 12-09-2007, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

Nah, in general the further North in Europe you go, the harder working and more successful the people are, nobody gave anything for free to Norway, they absolutely earned their quality of life, on the other hand if you go South people are lazier, party more, and work less. I believe it is genetic to a degree, the harsher the conditions you live in, the harder you have to try, and that gets passed from generation to generation.

but you made some pretty good points in your post

umm dude, "God" gave Norway a fuck-load of OIL, this is why they're richest.

Vlad · 12-09-2007, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mrthumbs

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...crime-assaults

wow

SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention

p.s I dont see Israel on this bs list huh ?

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-09-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

Before talk of banning guns why not decipher the stats first.

1) How much gun violence is there in total? Not a percentage, but actual shooting deaths?

2) Of those, how many are gang related? (ie. illegal business disputes)

3) Of those, how many are undertaken by mentally unstable or overly-medicated people?

4) Of those, how many sought help didn't receive any?

That's just a start. After that contrast it to the potential benefits and freedom of owning gun(s) and the number of gun owners who do not and have never engaged in violent gun activity.

Exactly, btw. as I mentioned most or lots of the gun crimes here for example are not even made by local citizens.

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-09-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by D

Fact: As the courts have affirmed time and time again, U.S. citizens are not constitutionally entitled to police protection.

Our forefathers declared the citizen as the ultimate authority in our country. The Founding Fathers knew that this authority must be backed by lethal force, and for the rest of time. We're a Republic. We're not a Police State.

Just as having a populace trained in CPR and the Heimlich maneuver can be an asset to society, so can be an armed society properly trained in weapon use.

The tragedies are a shame when they happen, but perhaps they're a part of living in a free society with mentally unstable people.

I say the answer's in treating the people... and many of you are telling me the answer's in limiting the freedom.

Let's not forget that, historically, the first step toward tyranny has nearly always been disarming the populace.

It continues to baffle me how many people are consistently willing to surrender their liberties for an illusion of greater security.

It's not entirely about the gun regulation, I don't know how about US but no crimes around here are commited with a legally held gun anyway, so you will regulate the wolves by closing down all the dogs.

The tragedies are a shame when they happen, but perhaps they're a part of living in a free society with mentally unstable people.

I dare to say this is alibism - there is no other country such as US in the world with so much gun crazy tragedies and mass slaughter, and there is no doubt there are mentally unstable people everywhere, what's the reason?

I believe it all has cultural roots, success driven culture, some people can't take it they get bashed 100 times, then they just get a blackout and wipe their fuckin smalltown out. Add incredibly simple access to guns and you are there.

I can remember only one mass carnage that happened here and it was I guess in 1968 when some psycho drove a van to a bus stop full of people, killed about 13 of them, so it's not even about having a gun.

Although the possession of the guns off course rapidly increases the chance as far as you are more liable to get involved in an armed conflict.

buzzy · 12-09-2007, 07:08 AM

I agree with Scotty, you don't see any guns here. When there is a death due to guns it will be on the news, so when like ONE death is on the news a year, everyones like OMG guns everywhere, when in reality there isn't.

Also I think it depends what type of society you live in aswell because that will effect the stability of the people that live there.

For example, in my opinion, in more socialist countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, UK, etc the people are less likely to go around shooting people due to the nature and culture of the society people are brought up in.

Where as America is a very capitalistic society and more of a dog eat dog, do whatever to survive type and I think that draws in more violence, combined with the ability to be able to just walk into a shop and buy a gun is a deadly combo IMO.

my 2 cents.

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-09-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stev0

Looks like the UK is one of the safest places on that list

Yeah, it was actually an article about illegally held guns vs. legally held guns used in crime, therefore UK was higher on the list cause it's no legally held guns there

my mistake

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-09-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

Also I think it depends what type of society you live in aswell because that will effect the stability of the people that live there.

For example, in my opinion, in more socialist countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, UK, etc the people are less likely to go around shooting people due to the nature and culture of the society people are brought up in.

Where as America is a very capitalistic society and more of a dog eat dog, do whatever to survive type and I think that draws in more violence, combined with the ability to be able to just walk into a shop and buy a gun is a deadly combo IMO.

my 2 cents.

Exactly my point

HeadPimp · 12-09-2007, 07:33 AM

I just had an epiphany!

The old people that run into crowds aren't doing it on accident! They would actually be going into crowded places and shooting people, but they can't walk fast enough to catch people and aren't strong enough to carry a gun and shoot it straight! So they do the next best thing.

"Dammit, if I am gonna go I am taking some of these young pricks with me!"

May I also point out that if we didn't have guns, people still have bombs, gas, cars, ect. If nutters want to kill people, they find a way.

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-09-2007, 08:49 PM

Just thought I would bump this with regards to the most recent church shootings, also - my apologies for overreacting in this thread before, I was on saturday partly under the alcohol influence, and it's not what I did, what I do or what I would want to continue with.

12-08-2007, 10:38 AM	#53
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12-08-2007, 06:37 PM	#64
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Before talk of banning guns why not decipher the stats first. 1) How much gun violence is there in total? Not a percentage, but actual shooting deaths? 2) Of those, how many are gang related? (ie. illegal business disputes) 3) Of those, how many are undertaken by mentally unstable or overly-medicated people? 4) Of those, how many sought help didn't receive any? That's just a start. After that contrast it to the potential benefits and freedom of owning gun(s) and the number of gun owners who do not and have never engaged in violent gun activity.

12-09-2007, 07:08 AM	#74
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	I agree with Scotty, you don't see any guns here. When there is a death due to guns it will be on the news, so when like ONE death is on the news a year, everyones like OMG guns everywhere, when in reality there isn't. Also I think it depends what type of society you live in aswell because that will effect the stability of the people that live there. For example, in my opinion, in more socialist countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, UK, etc the people are less likely to go around shooting people due to the nature and culture of the society people are brought up in. Where as America is a very capitalistic society and more of a dog eat dog, do whatever to survive type and I think that draws in more violence, combined with the ability to be able to just walk into a shop and buy a gun is a deadly combo IMO. my 2 cents.

12-09-2007, 07:33 AM	#77
HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	I just had an epiphany! The old people that run into crowds aren't doing it on accident! They would actually be going into crowded places and shooting people, but they can't walk fast enough to catch people and aren't strong enough to carry a gun and shoot it straight! So they do the next best thing. "Dammit, if I am gonna go I am taking some of these young pricks with me!" May I also point out that if we didn't have guns, people still have bombs, gas, cars, ect. If nutters want to kill people, they find a way.

12-09-2007, 08:49 PM	#78
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,532	Just thought I would bump this with regards to the most recent church shootings, also - my apologies for overreacting in this thread before, I was on saturday partly under the alcohol influence, and it's not what I did, what I do or what I would want to continue with. __________________ Double Impact PR \| Telegram carl_boro \| cb \|at\| doubleimpactpr \|dot\| com \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles\|