For the record, you've never owned a Mac, so you are talking from opinion.
My Leopard runs just fine, not sure what problems you are referring to. Haven't heard of anyone ordering Macs and asking for the older OS version to be put on instead of the newer. Kind of like they are doing with Vista.

Actually I think insecure would be more like what you seem to be. You feel threatened and must attack someone because of the computer they use.

Have always used PCs and I never found a reason to switch

I have both, and was a sworn mac user for the better part of 2 decades.

I still love macs.

They are computers for idiots, essentially. Very hard to do any serious damage to a mac, and very hard to misplace a file. They were perfect for me, until I started to need programs that were simply not available on the platform.

I love macs because you don't have to know shit to use them. PC's require a bit more thought, but have all the software.

If mac takes a larger share of the market and has all the programs I need/want, I will happily switch back. Until then, I am stuck wondering WTF things like

mom.implementation did not load in sector 34.7890 r as anticipated. Would you like to restart or join the legions of other people in line on the phone with Seattle?

mean.

Go Steve Jobs.

Until then, I am stick in a strange land.

I was HARDCORE PC for the longest time.

Then I got my Macbook Pro and finally understood why all the other Mac users sort of laugh at the PC users.... they have a good reason to! :)


Anyone who has tried both systems will say that the Mac is much easier to use and the better buy.

Mac hands down for Video editing.

PC hands down for gaming.

Everything else in between goes to MAC if you're willing to buy real software and not pirate your stuff.

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These types of post usually lead to religion wars so I'm just going to give my experiences. I used to be a die hard PC user and thought the Mac commercials were a bunch of shit by ignorant people. When I heard about Mac and the dual booting and switching to Intel I realized that I could get a high-end system and be able to run Windows if I didn't like Mac. I didn't like certain things at first but then really came to enjoy it. Keep in mind I'm a keyboard advocate. I HATE using the mouse when there should be a better keyboard method. Turns out if you spend a little time learning power user things you can actually use the keyboard for a lot more things than you can on the PC. If you are a keyboard power user like me definitely check out Quicksilver for the Mac. It is a god send. Other advantages include the fact that it is unix. As a web developer it is a much better environment to run unix when you are developing unix.

Photography workflow I think is better no the PC. I haven't found anything to reliably rotate JPGs out of the camera to the correct orientation. Not a problem with the Mac but when sharing with PC they always show up with the wrong orientation. I really liked Capture One Pro on the PC. Especially the keyboard shortcuts. On the Mac you have to use the mouse as far as I can tell for converting RAWS. My photography workflow is much slower on the Mac. Maybe with more research I will be able to make it go faster but as it stands right now I miss using PC for that.

So there are pluses and minuses. Depends on what you are doing. The main advantage is that you can dual boot it so for about the same price (for high end systems) you can always run Windows if you don't like it.

PC user for years.. switched to MAC.. no interest in going back full time... that being said.. I have a Dell laptop that sits astride the MAC.. I use it for my Quicken and to proof my webwork on IE/Windows.. and that's about it.

I think you have that backwards.

No I'm not.

It FACT. Try actually taking off the rose colored glasses

http://blogs.zdnet.com/topic/Leopard.html

ive got a pc, but i wanna get a mac

Another common misconception is that Macs are strictly for computer illiterate idiots. That really hasnt been true since OSX. OSX, being BSD based (and officially a certified UNIX), works so naturally and well with just about allopen source software out there. If you do any work with open source software, especially in development, macs are great. I'm really a Linux guy myself, but have been trying Macs on for size for the last couple years. Linux will remain on all my servers of course, but I dont really have much of a reason to switch my desktops back, at all.

If you do any kind of development or work with open source stuff like Apache, php, perl, python, ruby etc etc Mac's make a much better choice than PC, IMHO.

Tip... dont *ever* look to zdnet for accurate info regarding Apple, or Linux.. ZDNet is practically a Microsoft press department.

I get their newsletter just for a chuckle.. the amount of totally ill-researched, completely false info is amazing.

I have a PC so I'd say PC. They're easier to use than MACs.

I use a mac, for me it's a personal thing, are they more expensive no, because If I where going to buy a pc it would be expensive too, I don't buy shitty things, if I am going to spend my money on it I want it to be very good.

Sure you can buy a piece of shit pc for $899, and yes it's cheaper than a $1199 imac, but it's also a much lesser of a computer.

Let's face it even though dell says they have a good computer for $500, they don't. The difference is that Apple just skips the cheap shit and only builds decent computers in the mid to high range.

Oh ya and you can run windows on your new mac, so that makes the decision easy, should you buy a cheaper slower computer that runs vista or should you but a faster mac that will run mac os X and Any version of windows???

Yeah, that turned me off for the longest time. If they didn't do those commercials and didn't make those statements I would have switched a lot earlier. Apple doesn't target power users and it's easier to sell based off people's emotions than technical specs. Only geeks care about that.

Funny thing is though, that once you spend the time to learn things and install some 3rd party plugins like Quicksilver. Mac's are actually better for power user type situations than PC.

RAW conversion, and the file browser I like better on the PC though. And of course support for games.

Yeah, it's great. It's basically like having your own Linux box for development. I used to run windows and linux for my development. Now I don't need the linux box and can dual boot into windows to play games.

Definitely check out Quicksilver if you are a poweruser.

see there is the difference, it is part of the person.. a mac tells you "dont worry about where your file is located, ask me for it and i will pull it from its virtual location and hand it to you.." where as pc, there is a logic, folder is placed here and the actual data file is inside the folder where i like it to be.. maybe i am a neat freak.
and yes rotating photos on a mac is a pain in the a**, sometimes i rotate thousands of photos in one setting, dont want to have to sit and pick each one separately and hope the files actually change and not just change in the virtual world of macs...

And Coca Cola never take digs at Pepsi... nah
http://www.mindzoom.net/index_files/mz_editaff.png

:winkwink::winkwink:

Have you tried Iview Multimedia?
Used to be independently owned but MS got a hold of it. May be a plus to you but for me its the kiss of death.

it'l always be PC for me, i could never get used to the mac interface

To each his own......different people different choices.....who cares if the
next guy prefers a different brand than you do... I never understand
this obsession of forcing ones opinion/preferences on to others

Make your choice by what you prefer and not what someone else prefers
it's that simple

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

MAC for design PC the rest

hope you never use Vista then, since it's a complete rip-off of the old Mac interface.

Ill go for pc cuz its more creeper and easy to repair Desktop rocks

like I said I treat my documents folder as it's my c:drive from a pc so I make all my folders in there and I know where everything is.... I understand the neat part.. the guy who taught me computers I we called pixel man he would notice if a if something was a pixel off..

Only Pc!@!!!!

The Mac can run Vista or OSX. For me that's the decision maker.

We have an assortment of Mac laptops, iMacs and boxes. Can't escape Windows yet, so being able to run XP or Vista on the same system makes it a no brainer if you ask me.

Interesting, lets take a look at this

Mac Pro
CPU 2.4-GHz Core 2 Duo T7700 processor
Ram 4 gigs
Video Card nVidia GeForce 8600M GT

PC World compared it to Gateway E-265M which PC World said the Mac beat by 1 point

Gateway E-265M
CPU 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 (giving the mac a .2 ghz advantage)
Ram 2 gigs (giving the mac a 2 gig ram advantage)
Video Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD2300 (clear advantage to mac)

So, stating that Vista runs faster on a Mac is a half truth seeing how they did not run the test on equally equipped systems.
As I already stated in this thread, hardware is hardware is hardware, Intel, nVidea and Samsung do not make special CPU's, Vid Crads and Ram for apple/microsoft

PC user here. And i am not going to use Mac in the near future

That fucking retarded. The whole point of getting people to switch to Mac is because MS supposedly sucks. So why buy a Mac and run the "sucky" and "inferrior" OS on it?

That's not the reason why people switch.

There's no point in arguing about it. It's a preference. My opinion, what works best for me.

These threads always pop up and you're always the one to holler the loudest against people buying Macs. Look at the number of people switching over. More will continue to do so.

I prefer working in OSX over everything else. I still need Windows. For me, and probably anyone else in my shoes...going with the Mac and being able to run both (or anything else for that matter) is a no brainer for those of us with them already :winkwink:

Games... thats about it for me. Its called dual booting. Both OS's are installed not just the one... your not sacrificing OSX to put windows on it. Then I also use VMWare, which lets you run windows apps right inside your mac desktop. Use that for testing sites with IE, and thats about it.

How many people do you hear about wanting to switch, but not being able to because of some random obscure app that their work requires them to use? With VMWare, Parallels, or dual booting they can.

I think that's what he doesn't grasp. That you're not giving one up to running a "more sucky" OS...as he put it. You can RUN THEM ALL, which is something you can't really do on a normal PC (with ease, or with any real support...but it is possible).

If I switch to anything, it'll probably be Ubuntu.

I'd prefer using this over Windows, so long as all my programs worked. But it just doesn't quite compare to OSX just yet.

fuck Macs. PC since 1992. The only reason there no viruses is because nobody would bother to write one for 10% of users.

i take a PC anyday over a MAC
with MAC you stock with APPLE and the shitty service they have.
with a PC you can get parts from many different vendors and not have to buy it from one specific vendor.
people think apple is this savor that is so good and will rescue us from Apple but in reality they are worst cause you buy it and you are stock with Apple.
APPLE to the computer industry is like Bush to the United States.

PC for me. There's simply more programs for it and easier to find.