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rowan 12-01-2007 05:15 PM
You're sending traffic to a SINGLE post and wonder why it's not converting? :helpme

Most of the traffic that TGP brokers sell usually comes from a page with 100+ thumbs. ie: plenty of variety

Your niche may match but that doesn't mean the surfer will necessarily be interested in that particular girl.

WarChild 12-01-2007 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by minusonebit (Post 13456553)
I am not an idiot. So fuck off with the name calling.
Here's the first problem, you're already wrong in the first sentence of your post.

_Lush_ 12-01-2007 05:17 PM
Please post your current list of shit peddlers so we all can see

kichi 12-01-2007 05:17 PM
why do you think they sell their traffic? if it converted they would jsut send it to their affiliate links for aff or whoever.

Snake Doctor 12-01-2007 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by minusonebit (Post 13456553)
I am not an idiot. So fuck off with the name calling.

I don't see why traffic coming from a TGP should't work on a blog. For that matter, I don't see much difference between a blog and a TGP. I have free porn, they have free porn. They are trying to make them signup, I am trying to make them signup. They sell links, I sell links. They worry about PR, I worry about PR. To me, blogs are basically one-person TGPs. In fact, I expect them to replace TGPs. TGPs are dead. There is no money in TGPs unless you wn one. Not alot of difference.

So where do I go to get blog traffic then? PPC SEs? Those require so much work to sit there and manage and babysit. Besides SEO'ing my site. Obviously if I am buying traffic its because I want more than what the SEs are giving me ATM.
Ok let's review.

A surfer looking for free porn is at a thumb mgp/tgp.
This site has links to hundreds of galleries with free pics and movies, and sometimes when they click on a thumb they get directed to another thumb tgp/mgp that also has links to hundreds of free galleries.

Now they click a thumb and get sent your page, that has a few thumbs, a shitload of text that they don't care about....and that's it.

And then you wonder why this traffic isn't productive on your site.

You say blogs are the new TGP's, and that TGP's are dead...but the traffic you're buying is from TGP's, they're being sent to your blog, and they don't like it.
What does that tell you?

rowan 12-01-2007 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rowan (Post 13456707)
You're sending traffic to a SINGLE post and wonder why it's not converting? :helpme

Most of the traffic that TGP brokers sell usually comes from a page with 100+ thumbs. ie: plenty of variety

Your niche may match but that doesn't mean the surfer will necessarily be interested in that particular girl.
To put my explanation another way...

The clickthrough ratio of the best thumbs on my TGPs usually peaks at about 6-7%. This means that for every 100 page loads, that particular thumb will be clicked by 6 or 7 people.

Apply that data to a single blog post and you can guess that you're probably wasting a lot of traffic.


Another way still (keep reading, I've got a possible solution)

If you had a blog titled "skinny russian chicks with shaved pussies and big tits posing outdoors" I might be interested, but that doesn't mean I'd like every girl. Out of 50 models/posts I might only think 1 or 2 are hot. Let the surfers decide what they like, not what you think they'll like. Send to your blog root page, or set up a pseudo TGP with thumbs that link to your posts. Or just do a thumb TGP full stop. :)

Snake Doctor 12-01-2007 05:24 PM
I personally think you're looking at "blogs" the wrong way also.

I see blogs as a mechanism to generate traffic, I don't see them as a "destination" for traffic.

jakethedog 12-01-2007 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by minusonebit (Post 13455893)
*ALL* of you so-called Traffic Brokers are SCAMMERS.

I have bought from a long list of you. None of you have ever given me conversions that were sufficient enough to generate a profit. I am tired of seeing ratios of 1:100K and other similar crap. The cost of your traffic is not worth the price I pay for it. Your traffic is not worth shit if I spend more money buying it than I get from the sales it generates. And of course, all of you, when you make your little sales pitches, tell me stupid things like "I have one guy converting at 1:150" and other such crap.

So here is the new deal for all of you fucking scammers that keep hitting me up on the IMs wanting to sell me your worthless "traffic":

1. I will buy 100K hits of your "traffic" and I will point it to one of my blogs (gay or straight). If it converts at a rate where I have turned a profit, then you get to keep your money and I'll buy more.

2. I will only pay by credit card or PayPal until you have proven that you are not selling me shit.

3. I wont ask you where your traffic comes from because it doesn't matter. Not that any of you know anyway. I have tried asking where you get your traffic before so I can attempt to screen out the people selling gold-plated turds, but quickly learned that none of you even know where your fucking traffic comes from. But no problem, it doesn't matter. All that matters is how or if it performs.

If your traffic fails to turn a profit, you'll have the following three options (and this will be in our agreement, up fucking front) and there will be no exceptions, even if you have some customer telling you he is converting at 1:20.

1. You can send me another 100K hits at no cost and *if* it that batch converts at a ratio that is sufficient for me to make a profit, then that will be that. From then on out, I will buy your traffic at the rate I paid you for 100K hits, but I will get 200k hits because thats all its worth, as was clearly demonstrated by the test we just conducted. If it takes you sending 700K hits before you turn a profit for me, then I will pay the 100k hits rate and get 700k hits.

2. You can give me a refund and that will be that. I'll add you to my long list of people peddling shit that is not worth shit.

3. If you do not issue the refund or send more traffic, I will charge it back.

So come on, traffic brokers. Prove to me that just one of you runs a legitimate business. I don't think any of you can do it. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, you're all scammers. Selling a worthless product that is misrepresented and dishonestly peddled.

Now I am sure one of you is thinking "Hey, no fair! You just took the scam out of it!" Yeah, no shit. I am tired of buying shit and I am not going to do it anymore. And anyone that doesn't want to play along, can keep their fucking shit, opps, I mean, traffic.

I AM SOOOO ON THE SAME WAVE LINK AS THIS .. AND NOT TO BE A COPY CAT BUT FUCK THIS SOUNDS PERFECT ... I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THE NEW LAW OF THE INTERNET .. I AM COPYING THIS AND PASTING IT TO EVERY SINGLE DEAL OUT THERE .. I WILL PAY THROUGH THE NOSE FOR GOOD PROFITABLE TRAFFIC .. BUT SERIOUSLY SHIT TRAFFIC SHOULD BE REFUNDED ..

WarChild 12-01-2007 05:32 PM
So let's recap on the last year or so with minusonebit:

1) Can't understand how Epassporte works and ends up getting canned there.
2) Threatens to sue Epassporte but does nothing about it.
3) Spreads private information of more than 300 webmasters with his blog in hopes of a few extra ad word pennies.
4) Offers his writing services at less than third world outsource prices. You get what you pay for.
5) Can't understand how a TGP is different than a blog.

Stunning success my man, stunning success!

papill0n 12-01-2007 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13456756)
So let's recap on the last year or so with minusonebit:

1) Can't understand how Epassporte works and ends up getting canned there.
2) Threatens to sue Epassporte but does nothing about it.
3) Spreads private information of more than 300 webmasters with his blog in hopes of a few extra ad word pennies.
4) Offers his writing services at less than third world outsource prices. You get what you pay for.
5) Can't understand how a TGP is different than a blog.

Stunning success my man, stunning success!
Nice summary there :thumbsup

Snake Doctor 12-01-2007 05:41 PM
This thread rocks....great ideas here.
http://www.amateurcleavage.com/gfy/domain.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

JohnnyJames 12-01-2007 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13456771)
This thread rocks....great ideas here.
http://www.amateurcleavage.com/gfy/domain.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

HAHA! Tossing around the big bucks now, huh? Think of all the traffic that 8 bucks could have purchased. . .

JFK 12-01-2007 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13456771)
This thread rocks....great ideas here.
http://www.amateurcleavage.com/gfy/domain.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
may I quote you on that ? :Graucho

CurrentlySober 12-01-2007 05:43 PM
Why send it to the blog? Why not redirect it to the sponsor?

I know this is illogical, but Im trying to follow your logic here.
That's not a piss take. I just mean that if you are gonna send 100K to a blog page, which you want click thrus to the sponsor... Why not eliminate the blog page all together?

BVF 12-01-2007 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 13456554)
edit: nevermind.

comment would be over the head of many, so why bother.
Yes...I was about to quote him and break it down but then I said, "Why bother?"

Snake Doctor 12-01-2007 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyJames (Post 13456775)
HAHA! Tossing around the big bucks now, huh? Think of all the traffic that 8 bucks could have purchased. . .
What's hilarious is I just got flamed in another traffic buying thread because I made a remark like "it's only $8 just test it out for crying out loud" and was told that if they spent 8 or 10 dollars on everything out there just to test it out they'd be broke by now. :helpme

Snake Doctor 12-01-2007 06:02 PM
So I need a slogan.

How's this?

TrafficBrowkers.com....use our traffic and you'll never go browke.

Walrus 12-01-2007 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polle54 (Post 13456691)
but of course if you are stupid enough to send it to a blog or a paysite tour then you can't profit.
But Hentaibee just said that he's been able to convert it on his blogs.

HAPPYPEEKERS 12-01-2007 06:45 PM
I can send you some of the most targeted traffic you will ever get...



But I can not MAKE it convert... and there lies the problem with some sites.

siccmade 12-01-2007 06:50 PM
Talking all that shit, why don't you post some links to some sites you own that you bought traffic for?

RudeBoy 12-01-2007 07:02 PM
if the traffic was so good why would they sell it ? have you ever thought of that before ?

minusonebit 12-01-2007 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13456771)
This thread rocks....great ideas here.
http://www.amateurcleavage.com/gfy/domain.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
You only own two domains? What a pathetic piece of shit you are.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13456743)
I personally think you're looking at "blogs" the wrong way also.

I see blogs as a mechanism to generate traffic, I don't see them as a "destination" for traffic.
Blogs are more than just a place to spam. The blog is not the destination, the sponsor is. The blog gets their dick hard and makes them click to see more. Which is why I never post money shots on the blog, even if the sponsor is dumb enough to give them away. They need to pay and see that. I'll get their dick hard for free. They need to pay to shoot their load.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rowan (Post 13456735)
To put my explanation another way...

The clickthrough ratio of the best thumbs on my TGPs usually peaks at about 6-7%. This means that for every 100 page loads, that particular thumb will be clicked by 6 or 7 people.

Apply that data to a single blog post and you can guess that you're probably wasting a lot of traffic.


Another way still (keep reading, I've got a possible solution)

If you had a blog titled "skinny russian chicks with shaved pussies and big tits posing outdoors" I might be interested, but that doesn't mean I'd like every girl. Out of 50 models/posts I might only think 1 or 2 are hot. Let the surfers decide what they like, not what you think they'll like. Send to your blog root page, or set up a pseudo TGP with thumbs that link to your posts. Or just do a thumb TGP full stop. :)
OK, now this last part makes sense. So what you are saying is maybe I need to add another stop on the rail line? Make a TGP to act as a collector/distributor and use the TGP to drive traffic to the blogs and then blogs to drive traffic to the programs.

I look at this as a railroad in which I don't own the first station or the last one on the line, but I happen to have a kickback agreement with the guy who owns the station at the end. If they get off through any of my links (the equivalent of intermediate stations) then I sell them a ticket and I made my fare. But what is going on right now is they are getting on at my first station (the blog) and then jumping off the train without buying a ticket somewhere between the second and last station.

See my response to ThatGuyInTheCorner for my thinking on sending them directly to a specific post. My thought was if its Lesbo traffic, they'd be most likely to convert when seeing pictures of lesbians fucking. I can see doing a page of thumbnails and then having the thumbs lead off to their respective posts on the blogs to offer them some flavor. Thats actually not a bad idea and could give me another site to run and sell links and shit from. It would be a one man TGP, no submissions accepted.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatGuyInTheCorner (Post 13456781)
Why send it to the blog? Why not redirect it to the sponsor?

I know this is illogical, but Im trying to follow your logic here.
That's not a piss take. I just mean that if you are gonna send 100K to a blog page, which you want click thrus to the sponsor... Why not eliminate the blog page all together?
Sending them to the blog, I figured that if they didn't like what they saw they'd go looking around for something else on the blog. Hence why I show them the categories list on the side so that they can see that there is more than just that one. Whereas if I send them right to the sponsor's FHG, if they dont like that, there is no where to go but more of what they dont want. The blog is like a spoke and wheel. Most of the spokes lead in (forward) but some lead to other places for those who want to see something else.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 13457067)
I can send you some of the most targeted traffic you will ever get...

But I can not MAKE it convert... and there lies the problem with some sites.
How, from where and how much? Looking at your sig, it looks like you offer something along the lines of a managed AdWords campaign? I might be interested, if it actually works. Hit me up and give me some more details.

minusonebit 12-01-2007 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RudeBoy (Post 13457113)
if the traffic was so good why would they sell it ? have you ever thought of that before ?
Yep, plenty of times.

RudeBoy 12-01-2007 07:24 PM
traffic brokers are hiding from this thread

Snake Doctor 12-01-2007 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by minusonebit (Post 13457133)
You only own two domains? What a pathetic piece of shit you are.
*sigh*

First of all, that's not my only domain account, it's just one that I knew had my information stored so I could use it to register a domain quickly (for the joke) and not have to go find my wallet.

Second, since when did how many domains someone owns become the measure of thier worth? Most domains are worthless anyways.

I think it's hilarious that you come in here and admit that you buy traffic and lose money....and then dozens of people who buy traffic and make money from it come in here and try to tell you what you're doing wrong.....and you spend all of your time and energy arguing with us about why we're wrong....when you're the idiot who's losing money.

You need some serious help dude.

Snake Doctor 12-01-2007 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RudeBoy (Post 13457113)
if the traffic was so good why would they sell it ? have you ever thought of that before ?
Yeah that's why you should never buy google adwords...if google's traffic was worth anything why would they sell it?

</sarcasm>

minusonebit 12-01-2007 07:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RudeBoy (Post 13457179)
traffic brokers are hiding from this thread
Of course most are. We wouldn't want to talk about an industry-wide scam on GFY. Good golly, we might lose some business if we did that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13457188)
*sigh*

First of all, that's not my only domain account, it's just one that I knew had my information stored so I could use it to register a domain quickly (for the joke) and not have to go find my wallet.

Second, since when did how many domains someone owns become the measure of thier worth? Most domains are worthless anyways.

I think it's hilarious that you come in here and admit that you buy traffic and lose money....and then dozens of people who buy traffic and make money from it come in here and try to tell you what you're doing wrong.....and you spend all of your time and energy arguing with us about why we're wrong....when you're the idiot who's losing money.

You need some serious help dude.
Actually, I have paid attention to the people who came here to do things other than:

Knock my 3|337 spelling skillz.
Beat the dead horse of the passwords blog.
Yelling at me for not suing ePassporte yet.

I never said I know everything, am never wrong or otherwise perfect. I am not above trying to learn something and Rowan and a couple of others have posted some good ideas that I am taking note of. But when you post something ignorant like you did, how can you expect me to take you seriously?

will76 12-01-2007 07:40 PM
Buying traffic is a skill. Buying traffic from brokers and learning how to convert it is even more difficult. I would teach you how to do it but i am busy, sorry.

HAPPYPEEKERS 12-01-2007 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by minusonebit (Post 13457133)

How, from where and how much? Looking at your sig, it looks like you offer something along the lines of a managed AdWords campaign? I might be interested, if it actually works. Hit me up and give me some more details.
Not only adwords.. google is SUPER TIGHT right now with Adult.

I hand pick sites all over the net that sell advertising for particular niches

I dont do blind, redirected or any of that..

Only targeted traffic through clicked banners and text links

Sometimes it is a little more expensive and sometimes it is a little slower coming in than wanted But.... it is worth it.

You can buy General Porn Traffic, get tons of it super fast and hope for the best..

Or.. You can buy Targeted Traffic and know that the surfers are at least interested in the niche you are pushing...
:thumbsup

Snake Doctor 12-01-2007 07:48 PM
minusonebit
This message is hidden because minusonebit is on your ignore list.


Good riddance.

qxm 12-01-2007 08:34 PM
......This thread also makes my balls itch..... anyhow, in my case, when it comes to buying from browkers I only do it to bring one of my new TGPs to life, if I wanna convert with purchase traffic then I go with PPC (long tails, several targeted ad groups, bid increases according to time of day and KW replacement) .... but that's just me.......

Paullie 12-01-2007 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakethedog (Post 13456752)
I AM SOOOO ON THE SAME WAVE LINK AS THIS .. AND NOT TO BE A COPY CAT BUT FUCK THIS SOUNDS PERFECT ... I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THE NEW LAW OF THE INTERNET .. I AM COPYING THIS AND PASTING IT TO EVERY SINGLE DEAL OUT THERE .. I WILL PAY THROUGH THE NOSE FOR GOOD PROFITABLE TRAFFIC .. BUT SERIOUSLY SHIT TRAFFIC SHOULD BE REFUNDED ..
Sounds like the perfect business mate. No profit, no bill, hell if you find someone to do this, let me and the rest of us know.

Heres a suggestion, why not purchase ads of sites that target your objective, use tracking to determine your conversions, then stick with those that work, and can those that don't work.

BAKO 12-01-2007 10:46 PM
I got scammed the other day for 100 bucks :(

shahab6 12-01-2007 11:51 PM
Most of the traffic they sell are pop-under which people close immediately.

fris 12-02-2007 12:14 AM
buying skimmed traffic for a blog is a mistake, its just garbage traffic, odds are they are going to close the window within 3 seconds because they were looking for something other than what they got

rowan 12-02-2007 12:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Serious Business (Post 13457863)
buying skimmed traffic for a blog is a mistake, its just garbage traffic, odds are they are going to close the window within 3 seconds because they were looking for something other than what they got
It's not the blog that's the problem, it's sending to a single post. That's like being shunted into a car dealer with only a single car on display - to see any more you have to open a door and enter another room. Most people would probably just leave.

baddog 12-02-2007 12:43 AM
I'm sorry, but sending traffic to a blog?

JamesK 12-02-2007 12:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.White (Post 13456042)
By the way, i didnt get my newspaper today. Is your bicycle broken?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Barefootsies 12-02-2007 03:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rowan (Post 13456066)
I'm sure brokers will be falling over each other in the rush to provide you with traffic, knowing that they're going to lose money if you're not satisfied. Good try!
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

Boss Traffic Jim 12-02-2007 03:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by minusonebit (Post 13455893)
*ALL* of you so-called Traffic Brokers are SCAMMERS.

I have bought from a long list of you. None of you have ever given me conversions that were sufficient enough to generate a profit. I am tired of seeing ratios of 1:100K and other similar crap. The cost of your traffic is not worth the price I pay for it. Your traffic is not worth shit if I spend more money buying it than I get from the sales it generates. And of course, all of you, when you make your little sales pitches, tell me stupid things like "I have one guy converting at 1:150" and other such crap.

So here is the new deal for all of you fucking scammers that keep hitting me up on the IMs wanting to sell me your worthless "traffic":

1. I will buy 100K hits of your "traffic" and I will point it to one of my blogs (gay or straight). If it converts at a rate where I have turned a profit, then you get to keep your money and I'll buy more.

2. I will only pay by credit card or PayPal until you have proven that you are not selling me shit.

3. I wont ask you where your traffic comes from because it doesn't matter. Not that any of you know anyway. I have tried asking where you get your traffic before so I can attempt to screen out the people selling gold-plated turds, but quickly learned that none of you even know where your fucking traffic comes from. But no problem, it doesn't matter. All that matters is how or if it performs.

If your traffic fails to turn a profit, you'll have the following three options (and this will be in our agreement, up fucking front) and there will be no exceptions, even if you have some customer telling you he is converting at 1:20.

1. You can send me another 100K hits at no cost and *if* it that batch converts at a ratio that is sufficient for me to make a profit, then that will be that. From then on out, I will buy your traffic at the rate I paid you for 100K hits, but I will get 200k hits because thats all its worth, as was clearly demonstrated by the test we just conducted. If it takes you sending 700K hits before you turn a profit for me, then I will pay the 100k hits rate and get 700k hits.

2. You can give me a refund and that will be that. I'll add you to my long list of people peddling shit that is not worth shit.

3. If you do not issue the refund or send more traffic, I will charge it back.

So come on, traffic brokers. Prove to me that just one of you runs a legitimate business. I don't think any of you can do it. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, you're all scammers. Selling a worthless product that is misrepresented and dishonestly peddled.

Now I am sure one of you is thinking "Hey, no fair! You just took the scam out of it!" Yeah, no shit. I am tired of buying shit and I am not going to do it anymore. And anyone that doesn't want to play along, can keep their fucking shit, opps, I mean, traffic.

It's not them being scammers, it's you being an Idiot. If it was worth anything they wouldn't be selling it:2 cents: People (noobs) always think buying traffic will make money when in fact it will not. Bought traffic is simply for show to increase stats, start trades etc.... never will buying someones garbage traffic make you money.:2 cents::2 cents:


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