iFriends/Clickcash SCAM

[myboringlife]

i've been promoting iFriends for about seven years now. i use to do really good on there but over the past years my sign ups have dwindled down to maybe one or two sign ups a week, if i'm lucky.

so the other day i asked my friend to sign up. he said that iFriends said that his credit card was invalid, which i had heard a LOT over the years. the next day he got an email from iFriends saying that the problem was fixed now and for him to sign up again. it all looked good enough until i just happened to look and see what the link was taking him back to iFriends. i wanted to make sure that it was my clickcash account in the code so that i would get credit for the referral. well, instead of my clickcash account code there was another one in it's place.


this is what the email said..

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We noticed that you had some trouble establishing a iFriends.net account the other day. We apologize for any inconvenience; however, we have corrected the issue and invite you to come back and give us another try. Come discover all of the great features that make iFriends famous. REGISTER NOW!

We respect you! Your email address is never shared with third parties and you will never receive unsolicited email as a result of providing your email address to activate your iFriends membership. You may always "opt out" at any time. If you feel you received this message in error, or would like to unsubscribe, please call our toll-free, 24/7 customer service department at 1-800-437-4363 or any of our Worldwide Toll-Free numbers You can also email us at [email protected] with "unsubscribe" in the subject line.

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each time the word 'iFriends' is used, it is linked with
cc.webpower.com/Refer.cgi?acct=surecover&url=https://orders.webpower.com/cgi/vpAdult.exe?s=1

with the referral account 'surecover' instead of my clickcash account

[ShellyCrash]

Did your friend try to upgrade and you not get credit for it?

I'm not trying to defend ifriends, I don't know any of them personally, just curious because I can't imagine any program would turn away a sale and risk losing the transaction permanently just to short their affiliates.

I'm thinking maybe they use cookies and your comissions would not be effected. Just my thoughts.

[myboringlife]

he was trying to sign up to become a member and was told his card was invalid. the next day he got the email with the links using their own account instead of mine. i've always heard people saying in the free chat that ifriends said their card was 'invalid' and they were declined. now i see that magically the next day the problems are all solved and for the people to come back and sign up again.. using ifriends own referral code instead of mine.

and no, i didn't get credit for it.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by myboringlife

and no, i didn't get credit for it.

So he did upgrade / pay then and you didn't get paid?

[myboringlife]

it's free. clickcash pays for free sign ups.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by myboringlife

it's free. clickcash pays for free sign ups.

When you talk to the reps you might want to suggest when they store the partial registrastion (grab the email address / etc) they add a field to their database that would also store the AFL ID- this way their user record is tied to your account so you always get credit.

[myboringlife]

i would imagine since they've been in the business for over 10 years and make over a million dollars a day they would already understand that?

[SmokeyTheBear]

ouch thats pretty sneaky..

because i don't know them well i can't say this is a strategy to skim you out of your sale , it looks to me more like a hard scrub and they didn't take time to correlate scrubs that get reaccepted with the original affiliate.

like in laymans terms , the surfer tries to signup , the merchant account they were using for some reason didnt like your friends credit card ( this can happen for lots of reasons ), so the email is to switch to a diff merchant account.

[ShellyCrash]

It's just my 2 cents. I've really got no idea what happened, just saying it doesn't make sense to potentially throw a lead / customer away to cheat webmasters.

[myboringlife]

oh yeah, that does make sense. i've always had guys in other countries say that their card was invalid. so that's what it must be. but what pisses me off is that my username is not in the link code.

there is no excuse for my username to not be in the code. they have been around long enough and have enough money to afford the best of anything. so for them to not have my un in the sign up link is nothing but shady to me.

i can't imagine how many thousands of dollars i have 'LOST' because of this.

[papill0n]

send an email to stacey at clickcash dot com and see what she says.

[scottybuzz]

*sorry edit out

[gornyhuy]

I never beat clickcash on cam/dating payouts. They always ruled my seo traffic.

[WiredGuy]

That's pretty sneaky. Who sent the first email, was it clickcash to the surfer when the CC was declined or did the surfer send it to CC? I'd understand if its the latter, but if its the former, that's really a sneaky way to shave joins.
WG

[myboringlife]

i did email stacy a few days ago but i haven't gotten a reply. i included the entire email with the 'surecover' link.

surecover?!

and my friend never emailed them. they emailed him the next day, out of the blue, saying that whatever the problem was then, it was all fixed now and he was welcome to sign up again and gave their 'surecover' affiliate link in html which only showed up as an 'ifriends.net' text link.

i wonder who is the affiliate for 'surecover' and who is getting paid for that sign up?

where the hell is my username in the link? the odds of you ever knowing or finding out about something like that are really low to none. most ifriends cam girls don't get clickcash sign ups (cause most of their traffic comes internally from ifriends) and most affiliates never talk to their sign ups. i've had tons of people in my free chat tell me that their credit card wasn't 'valid', when they knew it was valid. but of course i never talked to them again and just by randomness my friend sent me this email.

so the chances of something like this ever being discovered by a clickcash affiliate are next to none.

how often do you ever talk to a sign up?

[xsabn]

i still do no know why you are still with ifriends... there are so many great sponsors

[Young]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

When you talk to the reps you might want to suggest when they store the partial registrastion (grab the email address / etc) they add a field to their database that would also store the AFL ID- this way their user record is tied to your account so you always get credit.

truly clueless

[dav3]

Originally Posted by myboringlife

it's free. clickcash pays for free sign ups.

It's not free. If you don't spend any money on their site within a week or so, they will charge you $6. At least, that's how it was about a year ago. I seriously doubt they changed it though.

If you are looking for reputable cams sponsors, the ones listed in my sig are top-notch.

[myboringlife]

Originally Posted by xsabn

i still do no know why you are still with ifriends... there are so many great sponsors

moocash is by far, no question, my best sponsor
i've tried awe and did horrible.. i dont like the whole 14 day cookie thing, if i get a customer, i want them to be mine for life
i've promotee ifriends/clickcash for SO long but my sign ups arent 70 a week like they use to be
i've tried cams.com, webcams.com and others but can't get they same performance as i can with moocash

imlive.com just (out of nowhere) dumped me from their current promotion because my traffic wasn't holding as good as their normal traffic
i am SO glad i didn't saturate my sites with imlive.com like i have with moocash because they really screwed me over, imo
no advance warning, just a random email letting me know i wont be getting paid $125 per sign up anymore with the current promotion, because of the performance of my sign ups
i never remember reading that in the fine print anywhere

so anyway.. nothing performs for me as good as moocash does

[~Ray]

maybe try camspot.com - gfy member - tical

[myboringlife]

Originally Posted by dav3

It's not free. If you don't spend any money on their site within a week or so, they will charge you $6. At least, that's how it was about a year ago. I seriously doubt they changed it though.

If you are looking for reputable cams sponsors, the ones listed in my sig are top-notch.

ifriends actually charges you $1 to verify your card and will refund you if you ask them. the $6 is for an upgraded VIP membership but your sign ups dont have to pay that to get paid for their sign up.

i dont like camsense because of the way their rev share is tiered.

[who]

I've always held that clickcash are scammers. They can afford to be.

[dav3]

Originally Posted by myboringlife

ifriends actually charges you $1 to verify your card and will refund you if you ask them. the $6 is for an upgraded VIP membership but your sign ups dont have to pay that to get paid for their sign up.

I spoke with one of their reps on the phone about this. They told me exactly what I mentioned above.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by myboringlife

i did email stacy a few days ago but i haven't gotten a reply. i included the entire email with the 'surecover' link.

surecover?!

and my friend never emailed them. they emailed him the next day, out of the blue, saying that whatever the problem was then, it was all fixed now and he was welcome to sign up again and gave their 'surecover' affiliate link in html which only showed up as an 'ifriends.net' text link.

i wonder who is the affiliate for 'surecover' and who is getting paid for that sign up?

where the hell is my username in the link? the odds of you ever knowing or finding out about something like that are really low to none. most ifriends cam girls don't get clickcash sign ups (cause most of their traffic comes internally from ifriends) and most affiliates never talk to their sign ups. i've had tons of people in my free chat tell me that their credit card wasn't 'valid', when they knew it was valid. but of course i never talked to them again and just by randomness my friend sent me this email.

so the chances of something like this ever being discovered by a clickcash affiliate are next to none.

how often do you ever talk to a sign up?

well it should be pretty obvious that the "surecover" affiliate link is a in house link.

[pocketkangaroo]

If they are trying to do this as some kind of scam, I hate to say but it's completely retarded. The surfer has his dick in one hand and credit card in the other, why would you deny his credit card and take the chance that he will spend his money elsewhere? These guys have been in business too long to be pulling stunts like this over a measely 40 bucks.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by myboringlife

moocash is by far, no question, my best sponsor
i've tried awe and did horrible.. i dont like the whole 14 day cookie thing, if i get a customer, i want them to be mine for life
i've promotee ifriends/clickcash for SO long but my sign ups arent 70 a week like they use to be
i've tried cams.com, webcams.com and others but can't get they same performance as i can with moocash

imlive.com just (out of nowhere) dumped me from their current promotion because my traffic wasn't holding as good as their normal traffic
i am SO glad i didn't saturate my sites with imlive.com like i have with moocash because they really screwed me over, imo
no advance warning, just a random email letting me know i wont be getting paid $125 per sign up anymore with the current promotion, because of the performance of my sign ups
i never remember reading that in the fine print anywhere

so anyway.. nothing performs for me as good as moocash does

1:23000 +
19$

You're kidding me right ?
(talking about Moocash)

I hope i won't get Imlive email ...

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

Ifriends make the majority of their cash in monthly memberships and fanclubs.. it is no longer a cash cow for live chat sales.

[xmas13]

[LiveDose]

Shady whatever the excuse is...

[Kevsh]

That certainly doesn't sound right, so I'd be interested in hearing what their response is to your complaint.

[myboringlife]

yeah, me too. there really isn't any excuse for it and it's probably happened way more times then i will ever know about. it really pisses me off considering i have sent them tens of thousands of sign ups. i dont understand why companies that make so much money have to be so lame.

i will respond when/if i get a reply.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by myboringlife

moocash is by far, no question, my best sponsor
i've tried awe and did horrible.. i dont like the whole 14 day cookie thing, if i get a customer, i want them to be mine for life
i've promotee ifriends/clickcash for SO long but my sign ups arent 70 a week like they use to be
i've tried cams.com, webcams.com and others but can't get they same performance as i can with moocash

imlive.com just (out of nowhere) dumped me from their current promotion because my traffic wasn't holding as good as their normal traffic
i am SO glad i didn't saturate my sites with imlive.com like i have with moocash because they really screwed me over, imo
no advance warning, just a random email letting me know i wont be getting paid $125 per sign up anymore with the current promotion, because of the performance of my sign ups
i never remember reading that in the fine print anywhere

so anyway.. nothing performs for me as good as moocash does

If your traffic has always converted well with the ifriends free signup, have you tried Mtree's free cam program, as they pay the exact same as Clickcash, $40 per free cc verify.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by dav3

I spoke with one of their reps on the phone about this. They told me exactly what I mentioned above.

The $6 ifriends charge has always been because they have a small prechecked vip box that most people overlook during signup they allows them to charge that fee after one month. Uncheck that during signup and the charge never occurs.

[pr0]

If you aren't using webcams.com/affiliates/ you're waisting your time & traffic

trust me....i love opening my stats every day

its like ifriends was in 99/2000

[pr0]

hit up blake at webcams he'll take care of ya ; )

all other webcam programs are a fucking joke.......chuuuch

[Zester]

thread = bookmarked.
I want to hear ifriends response for this.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Zester

thread = bookmarked.
I want to hear ifriends response for this.

you won't....they suck...have no reps, & the one time i used them, they bounced all their checks

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

Originally Posted by Zester

thread = bookmarked.
I want to hear ifriends response for this.

They dont give a shit..seriously

[fuzzylogic]

lol ya there will be no response from ifriends

i have been using ifriends for years and although i have heard plenty of "invalid" stories i have never heard of an email being sent out. but, it's not likely for me to hear about such things anyway.

is it possible for malware to do this?

webcams.com has some nice girls and a great interface.. u should check them out again. i think their join pages are ugly, but other than that they are my 2nd or 3rd favorite cam sponsor.

[Kevsh]

Originally Posted by pr0

all other webcam programs are a fucking joke.......chuuuch

Obviously trying to make a case for webcams.com, but I wouldn't make that statement! There are more than a few that do very well and I have a few with some excellent Earnings-Per-Click numbers (the only stat I really find useful).

But one thing that many affiliates overlook is how payments work for their sponsor's site(s). Some (I won't name names) have a pain-in-the-ass process and/or get too many chargebacks and/or make it too hard to get an account.

It's a damn shame to be sending good traffic and lose it due to payment issues.

[myboringlife]

i still haven't heard anything from stacy or anyone at clickcash. i used mtree in the past but i'm really not down with the pps anymore. i'm getting 35% rev share with moocash so i'm much happier with that. i wish i would have done rev share with ifriends back when they offered that. i've never had a web power check bounce. i did have an issue when i filed my taxes and then got a notice that they sent out the prior years 1099s. i don't think they had that years forms done by the date they had to so they just sent out the prior year to stall. it really screwed me up though. i've been with webcams.com for a few years now and i just don't do good with them for some reason. and no, i don't think web power gives a crap what anyone, including cam girls, customers or affiliates thinks about anything. i wish pussy cash/im live wouldn't have just kicked me off of their current promotion. i was considering going there to do cam shows but boy that put a quick end to that thought.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

lol ya there will be no response from ifriends

i have been using ifriends for years and although i have heard plenty of "invalid" stories i have never heard of an email being sent out. but, it's not likely for me to hear about such things anyway.

is it possible for malware to do this?

webcams.com has some nice girls and a great interface.. u should check them out again. i think their join pages are ugly, but other than that they are my 2nd or 3rd favorite cam sponsor.

We've had an account with Clickcash for almost ten years now (near the time they started) and always had an email response, - tho agree, they don't post on forums.

Sure, there have been plenty rumors and weird shit, but never had any of that and they send payments regularly. But..... myboringlife sure needs a response to the email crap.


PS... Clickcash do not charge $6 or whatever for membership - it's as myboringlife said. Any charges are on 'fanclub' etc joins.

[BSleazy]

I've never had a problem getting paid from clickcash. Fedex delivers the checks on time every week.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by BCyber

I've never had a problem getting paid from clickcash. Fedex delivers the checks on time every week.

Same here - they missed about two Fedex weekly payments in almost a decade and they were not a Clickcash problem.

[myboringlife]

well, it's been over a week and i've sent three emails to [email protected] and [email protected] both and haven't gotten a reply from anyone. it seems like if there was a good explanation they would respond quickly with it. i guess if i had something to hide, i wouldn't respond either. i'd imagine they are really shocked that someone has caught on to their scam. it's really a shame that such a huge sponsor has to screw over their affiliates. just goes to show you that no one is immune to bs.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by myboringlife

well, it's been over a week and i've sent three emails to [email protected] and [email protected] both and haven't gotten a reply from anyone.

Sure does not sound good - hell, I'd send them all again and then increase it to one a day until you get a response.

This sounds a good time to do a few test signups....

[rowan]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

PS... Clickcash do not charge $6 or whatever for membership - it's as myboringlife said. Any charges are on 'fanclub' etc joins.

It is (or was) a prechecked cross-sell. I missed it when I did a test signup years ago.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

This sounds a good time to do a few test signups....

Indeed it does.

[myboringlife]

i sent the emails to the wrong email and to ifriends insted of clickcash. i didn't get any response in my first two emails so in my third one i mentioned that i had posted it to this board and everyone here was a waiting for a response. oddly enough i got a response the next day..



Karen:

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to review these. Keep in mind that, while both operated by WebPower, iFriends and ClickCash do run pretty independently. Messages sent to iFriends support aren't going to reach me typically. However, e-mails sent to [email protected] usually find their way to me quickly.

I apologize for the delay in the response. I need a little bit of time to review this e-mail and find out what's going on. The e-mail that your customer got didn't come from ClickCash, but from iFriends. I am going over now to find out what's going on with this, as I've never seen this e-mail before. Once I get information, I'll let you know what's going on.

But please note that we are not trying to skim or in any way not pay you for legitimate sign-ups. My initial guess in reviewing the e-mail is that it's a promotion from iFriends to try to get people back whose cards come up invalid. They tend to let me know about these, so my further guess is that this has not been in place long, so no, it is not the reason sales have declined for you over the past few years. I will assure you that the card being invalid is not an attempt to skim the sign-up. Cards come up invalid for a number of reasons, whether due to the bank initially declining the transaction or perhaps a previous experience with the customer in question where the account was flagged "invalid" (sometimes our super duper fraud prevention programs mistake valid accounts for invalid because they fit patterns of previous fraudsters). Overseas customers do have a higher proportion of cards coming up invalid, though, as the banks do not always honor "card not present" transaction requests, which is what an iFriends sign-up is recognized as by the bank. That's true even when it's not a ClickCash click-through that generates the sign-up.

I'll get you an answer on what's going on ASAP!!!

-Stacy

[teksonline]

IFRIENDS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Inc., WP [email protected] m
Mario Morales
ATTN: CLICKCASH.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
570-708-8780

CLICKCASH.COM
Administrative Contact:
Inc., WP [email protected] m
Mario Morales
ATTN: IFRIENDS.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
570-708-8780

They can run as independently as they want, they are the same company when the bell rings....

Listen to what you are hearing.... she's usually told upfront about these things, and yet she's also never heard or seen these emails, but yet over the last years, you have yourself heard about them...

Clickcash TOS'd me as one day I woke up and seen they frauded and charged my card XX.XX for no apparent reason.. I had the account just to see what is going on when I am doing new marketing plans... When I seen this, I simply asked for a refund and what did they do??? They terminate my affiliate account.... After 7 years of solid promotion.. I bitch and complain, that how you run a business.. They lie and said they did not terminate my account that I cancelled it myself... Yeah ok there buddy, so me the ip log of the cancel.. (mines dynamic with router logs so i can see who's bsing who)
They don't have logs... pfft yeah ok.

They also continually went in and modified my Tier 10 downsale link which i had a huge one... eventually going from $200 a day in tier sales at $4-6.80 per pop to 4.8 cents.. And of course when terminated, this cash was lost as well.

It is with no doubt a scam, and anybody who is anyone has left ifriends long ago. They are contenpt with controlling what they have left and feel stable... So don't be surprised when you're TOS'd tommorow for starting this thread.

But that is a GOOD THING