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GatorB · 11-27-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tblake

Norway is a very different country because it has so much oil. It also has extremely high taxes for all goods and a high income tax.

Taxes probably aren't much higher than here if you do the math. And besides you don't need much money left over after taxes anyways.

You take ven the poorest here some guy making minimum wage pays 10% of his income in Income and FICA taxes, he pays sales taxes when every he goes to the store. He pays gas taxes when he buy gas. His utilities, cable, phone, etc all have various taxes on them. There are other taxes like when you renew your drivers licence or car registration. Except they call them "fees" it's a TAX. Probably dozens of other if I sat down and thought it over. At the end of the day he is probably paying 40% of his income in taxes. WTF is he getting for it? If he gets sick he can't go to the doctor. Public transportation in the US either sucks or is non existant, schools suck etc etc

Shagbunny · 11-27-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Nice prison system, the Aryan Brotherhood, Crips, Bloods would enjoy that.

and cocksuckers that kill 2 year old girls. Fuck that.

Persius · 11-27-2007, 07:25 PM

good video i like moores shit

The Sultan Of Smut · 11-27-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

I am moving. Believe me Canada is no beakon of hope. Being an American in Canada for 5 years, I'd rather be in the states. I had seriously injured my knee a couple years back and was on a waiting list for an MRI for 7 months. In that time my knee healed incorrectly and I feel insane pain when it is cold or damp. My sister-in-law had a similiar injury and had an MRI in 3 days and had surgery a week later. I know this is just one instance, but try going to ANY emergency room in Canada and you will be waiting up to 8 hours to be seen. They are all flooded with deadbeats and people with nothing better to do.

Your problem sounds exactly like the kinda thing that usually screws you in Canada but frankly an MRI wasn't necessary and you should have been given a simple xray and referred to an orthopedic surgeon... then put on the waiting list.

I hate to say it but the other problem is being honest which in this world (or at least the medical one) never gets you ahead. By simply telling the ER doc or GP that this injury directly affects your work would have bumped you up.

The last problem you may have will also have to do with what province you're in and if you're in Ontario from what I hear it has just about the worst health care.

EZRhino · 11-27-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

For sure, paying tax isnt a bad thing if you're getting the services back in return.

I'll take my trip to Mexico now, Mister Harper :P

Yup, Mexico is known for its great health care. And dont forget its water, every American should go to Mexico for its health care and great tap water.

EZRhino · 11-27-2007, 11:04 PM

Must be nice to have a population of 4.6 million and a GDP (per capita, 2005): NOK 412 000 (EUR 52 600). How ever do they do it. Wonder if they would still have such great life styles if they had to support a population of 300 Million plus 24 million more being free loading illegals.

nation-x · 11-28-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino

Must be nice to have a population of 4.6 million and a GDP (per capita, 2005): NOK 412 000 (EUR 52 600). How ever do they do it. Wonder if they would still have such great life styles if they had to support a population of 300 Million plus 24 million more being free loading illegals.

immigration is a spin topic. at current funding levels they do add a burden on the system but this wouldn't even be an issue if the US were actually running the govt like Norway or other progressive EU countries... you can't really compare the US to these countries because they aren't engaged in capitalist imperialism. 40% of our GDP is spent on defense (funny term really) and god knows how much we hand out to every country on earth to payoff other governments for allowing us to do business there. it adds up to one hell of a chunk of change. when are the people going to realize that the US govt is neo-fascist and the real "citizens" of our country are the corporations they serve. they are robbing our country blind and selling it off at a record pace. I guarantee that if you added it all up that foreign countries own over 30% of the US in real estate and corporate assets. this is the real issue... the system makes us slaves to it...

GreyWolf · 11-28-2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tblake

Norway is a very different country because it has so much oil. It also has extremely high taxes for all goods and a high income tax.

True that the cost of living in Norway is roughly 25-30% higher than the US and the country is rich in natural resources.

However, all western countries, excluding the US, have UHC and generally their taxation rates are no different to the US.

There are also other countries which have healthcare systems on par with with the US. A familar example is where we are now - the cost of totally comprehensive UHC for a family of four is approx $250/year and taxation otherwise, is very low and often with no applicable taxation.

Only my

- it has little to do with taxation levels and more a matter of priority as to where revenue is directed to provide benefits to those paying tax.

D · 11-28-2007, 07:41 AM

Nice addendum. Thanks.

Matt_WildCash · 11-28-2007, 07:47 AM

Its TRUE.

My Wife is Norwegian.

She wanted to continue her University studies overseas so she flew to Australia, Norway gave her a grant/loan to come to one of Australia's highest end University's. They put her loan on 0% interest while she studies and about 2/3's of the money she recieves is a grant the rest she has to pay back sometime in the future.

While she was in Australia studing, the Norwegian govenment pay for all her dental and health care no matter what the cost. She had to have $50,000 worth of dental treatment and Norway just covered it all no problem.

She tells me when a couple have a baby in Norway, they get 12 months maternity leave and even the man can take 6 months of that leave while the woman works.

Its pretty amazing.

The entire country is TAXED like a bitch though, they do not like people being successful or breaking out from the crowd. Hence they tax like a MOFO.

They also have MASSIVE OIL, and they have whats known as the "Oil Fund" which i'm sure helps pay for half the services it offers.

My Wife just decided to do another 2 years University (she finished her Masters degree 2 years ago). And she has no intension of going back to Norway and they do not expect her too. But she called them up and yep they will again pay for her to goto University with more loans/grants to do another degree.

GOTTA LOVE THAT COUNTRY!!!

Matt

Azoy? · 11-28-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Insurance would cover the bypass surgery. Insurance isn't the big problem, it's those who don't have it or can't get it. Some are too poor to afford it while others have pre-existing conditions that get them denied by every health care company.

that's what i said to the post you responded.
if you don't have insurance are you fucked big time and the US government will tell you

at least in canada you don't have to worry about paying for doctor if you not feeling well or in case of emergency.
can you imagine what it is like to have bipass surgery or having your wife give birth to a child and never seeing a bill. Nada, zip, nothing, zepo, zero
now that is something to be

with

Klen · 11-28-2007, 07:51 AM

Rockatansky doesnt seems to be so happy

tranza · 11-28-2007, 08:42 AM

Now I want to live in Norway.......

jollyhumper · 03-31-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

If Norway had a decent climate I would move there.

But we do.....

J

lly

Jman · 03-31-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

I am moving. Believe me Canada is no beakon of hope. Being an American in Canada for 5 years, I'd rather be in the states. I had seriously injured my knee a couple years back and was on a waiting list for an MRI for 7 months. In that time my knee healed incorrectly and I feel insane pain when it is cold or damp. My sister-in-law had a similiar injury and had an MRI in 3 days and had surgery a week later. I know this is just one instance, but try going to ANY emergency room in Canada and you will be waiting up to 8 hours to be seen. They are all flooded with deadbeats and people with nothing better to do.

There's tons of private clinic you can walk in and get surgery you just need insurance or pay up.

sperbonzo · 03-31-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Azoy?

I agree but what good is a health care system you can't afford either ?
You end up dead cause you can't afford to go to a doctor or hospital in case you need assistance such as in a heart attack.

Completely untrue, sorry. In the US, if you have a heart attack and you are dying, you cannot be denied care. They must stabilize you then transfer you to a county facility.
Same with any immediately life threatening condition.

I'm not saying that there aren't problems, but what you said is not true.

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BFT3K · 03-31-2011, 11:52 AM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uGTzbj3fRSw

PR_Glen · 03-31-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Completely untrue, sorry. In the US, if you have a heart attack and you are dying, you cannot be denied care. They must stabilize you then transfer you to a county facility.
Same with any immediately life threatening condition.

I'm not saying that there aren't problems, but what you said is not true.

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i was going to say the same thing until i read that the post was from 4 years ago

Paul Markham · 03-31-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Here is the sick part! The number one issue domestically is our health care system! None of the major news organizations in the United States talk about it or even report it when a presidential canditate talks about it.

Health care is a civil right.

They should increase taxes on cigarettes, alcohol and gas to pay for universal health care in the US.

Neither State nor private insurance is perfect. They both have flaws. When my Brother was diagnosed with Prostate cancer it was just after he had lost his job and uninsured. The cost of fixing it was astronomical. He flew to the UK and as a UK citizen got it done for free. For the follow up checks he flew back to the UK to get them. Cheaper than a US hospital.

When my Farther suffered a massive heart attack he was rushed to hospital and very soon after had open heart surgery which saved his life. Then when he had an Annurism in his aorta the local hospital seeing he had open heart surgery assumed he had insurance and started doing test instead of taking him directly to the hospital which did the surgery by helicopter right away. Even though my Brother and Mother kept asking them too.

He died in that local hospital while they were running up the bill.

The worse thing about that film Sicko, was the old guy who well past retirement age was still working as a postman. To keep his health insurance. At his age he should be able to retire knowing that after decades of working and paying taxes to the State, he has the State to look after him.

MrBottomTooth · 03-31-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood Horwitz

peeps can say whatever they want about MM but his films hit you hard and state facts that no one can deny. Our health care system in the US is horrid and anyone who begs to differ hasn't seen it first hand.

His columbine movie was full of half-truths and deceit

Davy · 03-31-2011, 01:02 PM

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TylerBang · 03-31-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PennyLane (not Flame)

I am really sorry for your knee, but after i watched Sicko I was happy to live in Canada. Yes we have long wait at the ER, but i guess its our price to pay... And trust me, I am not rich and I prefer to wait 8h than be bankruped or something like that...

In the USA, they will treat you with the basic care to keep you alive if you are wheeled into Emergency, and then they will send you the Bill. If you cannot pay the hospital and it's collectors will destroy your credit/rep. for the next 7-10 years. This may keep you from landing a job or finding a decent place to live. Basically your life is ruined for some years if you cannot pay.

Now, pass the apple pie.

seeandsee · 03-31-2011, 01:40 PM

they want us sick to pay all moneis to them

sperbonzo · 03-31-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerBang

In the USA, they will treat you with the basic care to keep you alive if you are wheeled into Emergency, and then they will send you the Bill. If you cannot pay the hospital and it's collectors will destroy your credit/rep. for the next 7-10 years. This may keep you from landing a job or finding a decent place to live. Basically your life is ruined for some years if you cannot pay.

Now, pass the apple pie.

Actually, most lenders to not count medical bills outstanding on credit with nearly as much weight as other unpaid bills. You can still get mortgages, loans, etc, even with large unpaid medical bills on your credit.

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OY · 03-31-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually, most lenders to not count medical bills outstanding on credit with nearly as much weight as other unpaid bills. You can still get mortgages, loans, etc, even with large unpaid medical bills on your credit.

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When are you coming to see me in Norway? I may get you a free McDonalds meal!

sperbonzo · 03-31-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Oystein

When are you coming to see me in Norway? I may get you a free McDonalds meal!

I won't eat that crap in the US, why would I want the Norwegian version?

"Hello there." "I'll have the Mac-Lutefisk fillet Sandwich and also a Big Mac with a double Smalahove patty, and then I'll finish up with a nice hunk of Mac-Gammalost please!"

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GatorB · 03-31-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

I am moving. Believe me Canada is no beakon of hope. Being an American in Canada for 5 years, I'd rather be in the states. I had seriously injured my knee a couple years back and was on a waiting list for an MRI for 7 months. In that time my knee healed incorrectly and I feel insane pain when it is cold or damp. My sister-in-law had a similiar injury and had an MRI in 3 days and had surgery a week later. I know this is just one instance, but try going to ANY emergency room in Canada and you will be waiting up to 8 hours to be seen. They are all flooded with deadbeats and people with nothing better to do.

Well obviously you didn't have money because if you did you could have paid cash and no waiting. So if you were in the US without cash you wouldn't be going to the doctor either. At least in Canada would have seen a doctor eventually vs NEVER in the US.

GatorB · 03-31-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Completely untrue, sorry. In the US, if you have a heart attack and you are dying, you cannot be denied care. They must stabilize you then transfer you to a county facility.
Same with any immediately life threatening condition.

I'm not saying that there aren't problems, but what you said is not true.

Yes and when you can't pay that bill the hospital passes that cost onto the paying patients and onto the insurance comapnies which pass that onto their customers in the form of higher premiums. And this is better how?

mafia_man · 04-01-2011, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Completely untrue, sorry. In the US, if you have a heart attack and you are dying, you cannot be denied care. They must stabilize you then transfer you to a county facility.
Same with any immediately life threatening condition.

I'm not saying that there aren't problems, but what you said is not true.

.

Then after nearly dying you get the bill.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-01-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Azoy?

at least they get something back for those taxes that they pay

fuck that, they're obviously commies. they are wrong.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-01-2011, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uGTzbj3fRSw

Not so sure I agree with the pussy stance on rapists, murderers, and child molesters.

nico-t · 04-01-2011, 06:00 AM

health care has huge waitlist
no health care you have to pay for everything
blabalbalablabal....
end of thread: noone has convinced the other, everyone still thinks he/she is right.

mafia_man · 04-01-2011, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Not so sure I agree with the pussy stance on rapists, murderers, and child molesters.

Some people can be rehabilitated and I assume the people you see in this video have proven that they can.

The real crazies are probably in hospitals where they should be rather than prison.

One argument is America's social and economic policies breed the harsh criminals you want to see locked up. Solve the former and you'll solve the latter.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-01-2011, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man

Some people can be rehabilitated and I assume the people you see in this video have proven that they can.

The real crazies are probably in hospitals where they should be rather than prison.

One argument is America's social and economic policies breed the harsh criminals you want to see locked up. Solve the former and you'll solve the latter.

I guess I just don't believe someone who chops a couple people up with a chainsaw DESERVES rehabilitation...

Paul Markham · 04-01-2011, 08:13 AM

After seeing what private companies have done to ordinary people, both the well off and the poor. It's staggering that anyone would allow them to control their health care.

The banks can't be trusted with or money. But insurance companies can be trusted with our health.

WTF

Grapesoda · 04-01-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

try going to ANY emergency room in Canada and you will be waiting up to 8 hours to be seen. They are all flooded with deadbeats and people with nothing better to do.

try 24 hours in LA

CaptainHowdy · 04-01-2011, 08:58 AM

pussy lips

OY · 04-01-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I won't eat that crap in the US, why would I want the Norwegian version?

"Hello there." "I'll have the Mac-Lutefisk fillet Sandwich and also a Big Mac with a double Smalahove patty, and then I'll finish up with a nice hunk of Mac-Gammalost please!"

.

Hehehe. good one!

BUT, you can get a MCLOX here in Norway! No joke, the fishfillet version!

Gammalost, lutefisk and smalahove would really really really taste better than most McDonalds in the US btw!

thickcash_amo · 04-01-2011, 03:42 PM

everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and usually always thinks the grass is greener on the other side

JustDaveXxx · 04-01-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Not so sure I agree with the pussy stance on rapists, murderers, and child molesters.

Im with you on that.

If i came across a child molester there, i would straight whoop his ass!!!

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