Program owners who claim their program is doing well

[who]

When it obviously isn't. What do they gain from delluding themselves and lying to their affiliates? Do they think that the affiliates will continue to support them on the basis of them saying "Yeah things are going really well."?

[L-Pink]

And there have been some doozies

[DutchTeenCash]

jscott bumped a thread this week bout a sponsor who never replied and took all his aff share money, I looked them up the sites are still up, the owner was bragging how amazing they were, then I asked bout 2257 and he left

so many are in this for the quick buck and take things not seriously at all

[who]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

jscott bumped a thread this week bout a sponsor who never replied and took all his aff share money, I looked them up the sites are still up, the owner was bragging how amazing they were, then I asked bout 2257 and he left

so many are in this for the quick buck and take things not seriously at all

Essentially, these quick-buck investor type business guys are taking customers away from the serious, established programs. We ought to come down on them like a ton of bricks.

[BOSS1]

[pornguy]

one of the problems that this industry faces, is the LACK of sharing information. IM not talking about sales secrets, but about things like the programs that rip people off. Everyone is so scared to say something. I have a friend that has a sizable TGP network. He promoted a program that he made amazing money with. ONe day, no check. So he stopped promoting. A few months later, the owner shows up, says he is sorry that he had some issues, and pays them. So they talk about it on the phone, and start promoting again. about a year later, they guy does it again with another sizable payout.

My friend NEVER told anyone else. That is the kind of info that should be shared. he was afraid that if he did decide to promote the guy again, the conversions would not be as good if he let others know.

[MBS Auto]

I hate that!!!!!!!!!!!! burn them at the stake!

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by who

Essentially, these quick-buck investor type business guys are taking customers away from the serious, established programs. We ought to come down on them like a ton of bricks.

Its not easy maintaining good sites esp solo ones, but so many ppl start one and pull it within a month and redirect to nothing but a 404. Pisses me off seriously. Oh and not telling your webmasters that pisses me off ever more.

[Antonio]

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by pornguy

My friend NEVER told anyone else. That is the kind of info that should be shared.

I agree, people should be more open and speak up about situations like that.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by Antonio

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

weve got aff doin under 1:300 and thats not members upsell just freesite, but yes most arent like that. I saw a prg owner stating last week that he converted ALL traffic to 1:500 or less, I suggested to send him 10k 404 and asked for 20 sales he never replied obviously.

First page raw 1:500 is a myth for most siteowners. But yes there will always be many prg owners who say 99% of their aff get that.

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

I read an article online saying the porn industry is loosing billions, but I keep on hearing how well associate programs are doing... so if everyone is doing so well then how can the porn industry play on like nothing happening?

Is the porn industry 75% hype?


Later,

.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by Balalsubturfyooj

I read an article online saying the porn industry is loosing billions, but I keep on hearing how well associate programs are doing... so if everyone is doing so well then how can the porn industry play on like nothing happening?

Is the porn industry 75% hype?


Later,

.

do you think we got our own studio appartment exclusive content every week etc if this was all a hype? if you take the biz seriously theres serious money to be made, clowns with a $50 cam and a very average girl come and go every day, just like in the real world

[Mister E]

Originally Posted by Antonio

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

Hey Antonio, although you make an excellent point other factors come into play.

I have an affiliate from Russia who operates a huge network of TGP's.

He is always converting at less than 1:90, largely based on his ability to target traffic to specific sites/ niches. When the numbers start to slide, we tweak the target to another tour and maintain performance.

The more concentration gets paid, the better will be the return.

Of course this describes a best case scenario. The affiliate I mention is a pro, very patient and WE work well together.

I try to utilizie this model with ALL my affiliates, even the new ones that can only send a few hits a day.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by Antonio

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

I agree with this. These ratio myths are ridiculous. Like you said 1:2000 raw is an average ratio nowadays.

[Quickdraw]

Originally Posted by pornguy

one of the problems that this industry faces, is the LACK of sharing information. IM not talking about sales secrets, but about things like the programs that rip people off. Everyone is so scared to say something. I have a friend that has a sizable TGP network. He promoted a program that he made amazing money with. ONe day, no check. So he stopped promoting. A few months later, the owner shows up, says he is sorry that he had some issues, and pays them. So they talk about it on the phone, and start promoting again. about a year later, they guy does it again with another sizable payout.

My friend NEVER told anyone else. That is the kind of info that should be shared. he was afraid that if he did decide to promote the guy again, the conversions would not be as good if he let others know.

People are hesitant to share because they just get roasted on places like GFY. Even when the person has absolute proof, the sponsor(and friends) in question do anything they can to lower the credibility of the poster, or make threats to intimidate the poster. Not to mention the rest of the posters always saying, 'Have you contacted them?' and on and on.

I am not so sure it matters at all anymore, your friend might have the right idea(minus the part about reusing the sponsor).

I have contacted numerous sponsors about things that impact them, and their affiliates. Initially, the first contact is a bugger as you initially have to go through some sort of affiliate manager, where the ball is dropped(assuming the contact was made in the first place).

Some of the top sponsors on GFY have been outed for several things over the years, yet they appear to be able to keep affiliates.

Then you don't even have to be talking to/about someone to set off one of the mascots here and have them run a campaign of baseless, totally false accusations(whether to defend their friends, or a simple misunderstanding). Even though it is just a 'message board', some folks might take it to heart if they don't take time to consider the source.

[CIVMatt]

I find too though that there are affiliates that have no idea what the quality of traffic is either, they throw 10,000 hits to a program and don't even realize their traffic comes from hitbots or estdomains or even noref hits.

Then wonder why they didn't get a sale

[scottybuzz]

boom boom boom i want you in my room

[Snake Doctor]

Well if they said "we suck and the other guys convert way better" would you send them any traffic?

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

But DutchTeenCash, I take what I do seriously and I understand its a numbers game, however to play the numbers game, webmasters need decent traffic and not the crap CJ traffic being sold by many traffic sellers... Its possible to have high ranking within the search engines but still have a low search volume.

Now I'm not saying associate programs are making nothing, just that the issue of traffic creation is something I know something about... also just when you think you got a system worked out when it comes to the SEs, something changes and to buy traffic from others you need to take their word that its quality traffic.

Now if you do nothing as to promote an associate program you fail. If you buy tgp/mgp traffic to your associate program the numbers do not work out... remember it does cost to run a web server and the bandwidth and monthly fees do add up... so the convention rate must be decent if not you fail.

Associate programs when they are new grabs everyones attention, but it seems to me after a year or two they go under, for the most part.

Later,

[Brad Mitchell]

I find that going to tradeshows and meeting face to face can be extraordinarily helpful in wading through the BS. It's good to surround yourself with a group of people that have common interests, drive, business ethics.

Brad

[BradM]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

I find too though that there are affiliates that have no idea what the quality of traffic is either, they throw 10,000 hits to a program and don't even realize their traffic comes from hitbots or estdomains or even noref hits.

Then wonder why they didn't get a sale

Great point.

[Niktamer]

average from stats remote on 115 programs i use
1851 sales last month avg ratio raw 1:1698 avg unique 1:1382 0,035$/unique

its far to be exact since some programs show first pages hits , others sign up only and its also include 30 programs i made 0 sales.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by pornguy

one of the problems that this industry faces, is the LACK of sharing information. IM not talking about sales secrets, but about things like the programs that rip people off. Everyone is so scared to say something. I have a friend that has a sizable TGP network. He promoted a program that he made amazing money with. ONe day, no check. So he stopped promoting. A few months later, the owner shows up, says he is sorry that he had some issues, and pays them. So they talk about it on the phone, and start promoting again. about a year later, they guy does it again with another sizable payout.

My friend NEVER told anyone else. That is the kind of info that should be shared. he was afraid that if he did decide to promote the guy again, the conversions would not be as good if he let others know.

we have a winner.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Antonio

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

I always wonder if this is ignorance on the behalf of the program owner... I have seen a lot of NATS admin screenshots posted, when the NATS sales reports don't count clicks from typein traffic in a lot of cases, which will really skew those ratios and make the 1:300 program-wide stats easy when affiliate average is more like 1:1500.

[Boobs]

and that is why i only promote a handful of sponsors... if they dont convert then move on.. no need to send traffic and pray

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Not to mention the rest of the posters always saying, 'Have you contacted them?' and on and on.

I'm guilty of making those comments, but mainly because I think if there's a problem you should always try to run it by the person / program first, give them a chance to explain or rectify the situation before publically slamming them, not to defend or to run to anyone's aid.

Just my , not saying people should keep quiet at all. When someone fucks you over or makes a bad deal it should be known.

[DaddyHalbucks]

If you are doing poorly, how do you ever get out of the basement apartment at Mom's house?

[AmateurPornDollars]

only way to know is work both ends of the biz and stop guessing at what you think is going on.

[Quickdraw]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

I'm guilty of making those comments, but mainly because I think if there's a problem you should always try to run it by the person / program first, give them a chance to explain or rectify the situation before publically slamming them, not to defend or to run to anyone's aid.

Just my , not saying people should keep quiet at all. When someone fucks you over or makes a bad deal it should be known.

I'd have to agree with you. A lot of times those posts are right on target, but a lot of times they are asked in a thread where contacting the sponsor would be of no benefit.

It also appears, at least with many sponsors, using the board gets something done where contacting the sponsor would have just yielded a 'We'll look into' type of response.

[V_RocKs]

I laugh at how many owners work hardcore on meaningless shit and neglect a program with a lot of potential because it isn't as fun as what they were doing.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by pornguy

, but about things like the programs that rip people off. Everyone is so scared to say something.

You're right on the money

SEE SIG

[LeRoy]

lets ask me that question in 3 months.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by Balalsubturfyooj

But DutchTeenCash, I take what I do seriously and I understand its a numbers game, however to play the numbers game, webmasters need decent traffic and not the crap CJ traffic being sold by many traffic sellers... Its possible to have high ranking within the search engines but still have a low search volume.

Now I'm not saying associate programs are making nothing, just that the issue of traffic creation is something I know something about... also just when you think you got a system worked out when it comes to the SEs, something changes and to buy traffic from others you need to take their word that its quality traffic.

Now if you do nothing as to promote an associate program you fail. If you buy tgp/mgp traffic to your associate program the numbers do not work out... remember it does cost to run a web server and the bandwidth and monthly fees do add up... so the convention rate must be decent if not you fail.

Associate programs when they are new grabs everyones attention, but it seems to me after a year or two they go under, for the most part.

Later,

youre right

it all comes down to what traffic, weve had an aff sending 50k who just signed up, I tracked it and 99% ended in .cn traffic. Unfiltered chinese. If you make a few sales nice if not then I totally get that.

Good traffic is everything. We do teen, if you send teentraffic to us itll convert. Nonnude bikini teen lingerie feet even. That all works. But like you said - never bet on one horse, make sure you divert to different programs, weve got many sources of traffic as well, the most from our affiliates offcourse. But you gotta spread risk.

Weve been here for 4 yrs now, most of us - including me - in the company are in adult over 10-15 yrs already. That says something imho.

If you have any questions but our program just hit me up

thanks

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

I think I'm going to join your associate program DutchTeenCash.

Later,

[darkwood]

I have a 50%/50% ccbill affiliate program
Peeflix a hot niche in the fetish category
http://www.peeflix.com/revshare/
and I do make sales. However my affiliate don't do well.

That means my site does well but not for my affiliates.
It's not that I don't have any affiliates. They sign up sometimes in great numbers. But they don't send enough traffic and they give up quickly.
At this point I am looking for a few good affiliates who can do well. I know because I do well.

Saying this means that if you have good quality fetish traffic which I buy you can do well because I do well this way.

[MakingItPay]

So many people claim that their program converts like 1:10, it sometimes feels weird to say our program converts! We launched our 3D program THRILLBUCK$ and while it is toon, it converts real Big Tit traffic, model traffic, game traffic, and toon traffic. In order to get around the whole credibility thing, we were able to get a big traffic guy to test it. Click below to see what they say about us:

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I think you need more than just the program owner saying that it converts.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by Balalsubturfyooj

I think I'm going to join your associate program DutchTeenCash.

Later,

thanks

like I said if you need anything just hit me up

[Megafoo]

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

People are hesitant to share because they just get roasted on places like GFY.

Found out a long time ago the key to success in this biz is who you know and who will support you. Unfortunately when it comes to the adult biz people will ally with whoever makes them money and that usually means overlooking and defending those people even if they are known to be doing something bad or misleading.

[GigoloJustin]

so many scammers =)

[PantieZ]

Originally Posted by BOSS1

WTF ?!

[PantieZ]

BTW ... we´re doing really well ...

see sig

[jscott]

i just got into the paysite thing, opened my 1st ever paysite, and so far it is definately proving to be more difficult than i thought

i'm still tweaking things, design, moving things, texts, thumbs, tours and buttons etc etc and being a rookie i'm sure is what makes the site not convert too well yet

basically, my site is converting at about 1:1500 and being brand new teen solo girl site i SHOULD be converting it better, i'll get it better, but to be honest it isnt currently converting NEAR what i expected

[jscott]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

jscott bumped a thread this week bout a sponsor who never replied and took all his aff share money, I looked them up the sites are still up, the owner was bragging how amazing they were, then I asked bout 2257 and he left

so many are in this for the quick buck and take things not seriously at all

what thread you talking about? here on GFY? i'm curious, i already forgot what thread hehe

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I love programs that suck, the less saturation the more sales.

[zEn84]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I love programs that suck, the less saturation the more sales.

Not true at all

[Luca_Triple 10]

As a newer program owner, i definitely agree with most of what's being said, and i experience it day to day. For example, we have tgp affiliates that we convert 1:2000 with, however i have other tgp affiliates that we convert 1:133. in my opinion, it depends on the traffic each site is sending, some you might do great with, and others you might do horrible with, but none the less, even a join or two every once in a while from the guy that you're converting 1:2000 isn't bad. thankfully for us, our members area traffic conversions and most of our tgp traffic converts very well, so our overall conversions are still very good, but as we grow and traffic increases more and more we'll wait and see what the future holds.

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

Bump ... ^^

.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by zEn84

Not true at all

Oh its very very true my friend

[StarkReality]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I always wonder if this is ignorance on the behalf of the program owner... I have seen a lot of NATS admin screenshots posted, when the NATS sales reports don't count clicks from typein traffic in a lot of cases, which will really skew those ratios and make the 1:300 program-wide stats easy when affiliate average is more like 1:1500.

Exactly. Many surfers search around for free content of a specific site and then join by simply typing in the URLs branded on almost every pic and video nowadays...no matter if they see the content on a gallery or a softcore youtube teaser, etc.

So, even with the typeins counted, overall stats of any site will always be much better than affiliate stats.

Let's face it, "educated" surfers often know it's an affiliate link and many aren't different from webmasters: They don't want a referrer to earn a comission, so they typein instead of clicking. This attitude sucks, but it's widespread.