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Wizzo · 11-01-2007, 07:18 PM

50 programs talking smack...

TampaToker · 11-01-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jscott

i just got into the paysite thing, opened my 1st ever paysite, and so far it is definately proving to be more difficult than i thought

i'm still tweaking things, design, moving things, texts, thumbs, tours and buttons etc etc and being a rookie i'm sure is what makes the site not convert too well yet

basically, my site is converting at about 1:1500 and being brand new teen solo girl site i SHOULD be converting it better, i'll get it better, but to be honest it isnt currently converting NEAR what i expected

jayscott hit me up on icq bud 247-742-205

Barefootsies · 11-01-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

There are.

and they are.

pocketkangaroo · 11-01-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

one of the problems that this industry faces, is the LACK of sharing information. IM not talking about sales secrets, but about things like the programs that rip people off. Everyone is so scared to say something. I have a friend that has a sizable TGP network. He promoted a program that he made amazing money with. ONe day, no check. So he stopped promoting. A few months later, the owner shows up, says he is sorry that he had some issues, and pays them. So they talk about it on the phone, and start promoting again. about a year later, they guy does it again with another sizable payout.

My friend NEVER told anyone else. That is the kind of info that should be shared. he was afraid that if he did decide to promote the guy again, the conversions would not be as good if he let others know.

Good point. I think that's the crux of the problem. There are too many cliques and too many "bros" on the boards. Too many people more concerned with being noticed at a show and getting a free beer than making money.

9 times out of 10 when a program is called out for bullshit, the person starting the thread gets called a troll/loser/broke/etc. Heck, we have programs here who have been exposed for helping the proliferation of content theft in the industry and people defending them for it. We have people defending guys who have stiffed affiliates in previous programs they owned.

The best solution is really for someone to create a site that lets affiliates call out sponsors for stuff. To help spread information back and forth and warn people of problems. I just don't think it's possible here anymore with the ass-kissers and wannabe bros.

d-null · 11-01-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

Exactly. Many surfers search around for free content of a specific site and then join by simply typing in the URLs branded on almost every pic and video nowadays...no matter if they see the content on a gallery or a softcore youtube teaser, etc.

So, even with the typeins counted, overall stats of any site will always be much better than affiliate stats.

Let's face it, "educated" surfers often know it's an affiliate link and many aren't different from webmasters: They don't want a referrer to earn a comission, so they typein instead of clicking. This attitude sucks, but it's widespread.

good point, for that reason it doesn't seem right when sponsor supplied promo material is watermarked with big impossible to miss easy to read site name....

a surfer that comes to your site because they typed in a search into google wouldn't find it too hard to type in a url that is all over the promo pics, especially after they save all the pics to their hard drives first

gandalfuy · 11-19-2007, 08:08 PM

well, i dont know about everybody else, but my program is fresh new, and it is really doing great!!!
i'm very happy with the results.

GFY!!!!

baddog · 11-19-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

I guess your definition of decent quality traffic and my definition differ significantly.

If I was converting at 1:300 I would have to change where I was sending my traffic.

GITZINGER · 11-19-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I guess your definition of decent quality traffic and my definition differ significantly.

If I was converting at 1:300 I would have to change where I was sending my traffic.

um, ok....

minusonebit · 11-19-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

one of the problems that this industry faces, is the LACK of sharing information. IM not talking about sales secrets, but about things like the programs that rip people off. Everyone is so scared to say something. I have a friend that has a sizable TGP network. He promoted a program that he made amazing money with. ONe day, no check. So he stopped promoting. A few months later, the owner shows up, says he is sorry that he had some issues, and pays them. So they talk about it on the phone, and start promoting again. about a year later, they guy does it again with another sizable payout.

My friend NEVER told anyone else. That is the kind of info that should be shared. he was afraid that if he did decide to promote the guy again, the conversions would not be as good if he let others know.

The problem is if you share something like that, you'll have 100 people call you out on the carpet here for everything from trashing the sponsor to not giving them a chance to resolve the issue.

baddog · 11-19-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GITZINGER

um, ok....

obviously you are in the same 1:2000 league.

commonsense · 11-19-2007, 11:47 PM

You can't trust anyones experiences but your own. Understand the source of the traffic and have time tested results before opening your mouth.

Wiseman · 11-20-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by who

Essentially, these quick-buck investor type business guys are taking customers away from the serious, established programs. We ought to come down on them like a ton of bricks.

How did we get drawn into this? lol

gandalfuy · 11-20-2007, 09:08 AM

my solo sites don't go higher than 1:300
contact me on ICQ if you want some help setting them up!

aLe.-

Walrus · 11-20-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

Let's face it, "educated" surfers often know it's an affiliate link and many aren't different from webmasters: They don't want a referrer to earn a comission, so they typein instead of clicking. This attitude sucks, but it's widespread.

Really? YOu mean when you sign up to a new program most webmasters don't want to sign up under another webmaster? That's how I read that. I am very surprised by that if it this is true. I always make sure I sign up under someone.

SomeCreep · 11-20-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by who

When it obviously isn't. What do they gain from delluding themselves and lying to their affiliates? Do they think that the affiliates will continue to support them on the basis of them saying "Yeah things are going really well."?

I see that all the time. Shitty ass programs claiming business is great. The experienced webmasters know what's up.

who · 11-20-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

I see that all the time. Shitty ass programs claiming business is great. The experienced webmasters know what's up.

I suppose then that these 'hopeful' programs will end up attracting only stupid, inexperienced webmasters. That will put them on a downward spiral into obscurity.

So, is it better to say that you're program is doing poorly, would that be more likely to keep the ship afloat? I suppose not, really.

I will always be really suspicious when program owners claim their program is converting well and making tonnes of money. Conversion ratios are almost random and could mean anything. They're entirely traffic-specific.

I'm babbling, aren't I...

Antonio · 11-20-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

obviously you are in the same 1:2000 league.

something tells me that you have no problem posting your stats, so, please, go ahead

Jenny S. · 11-20-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

Thank you! For being honest!

I had jackasses claim they'd convert 1:80, and better. I am not saying it is not possible. When I started my first page on an amateur level, I e-mailed members of my Yahoo Groups, who wanted me to put up a page, and many of them joined. I probably had a ratio of 1:15 back then.

However, for normal traffic 1:500 is extremely good, 1:700 is good, and for TGP traffic 1:2000 is good. What counts is the ratio over a long time period, like a year, not the stats for one week.

Let's talk about affiliates! I have about 50 of them. 40 don't make any money, 6 or 7 make decent money, and 3 make about 90% of everything. So why don't 40 make any money? Because the sites don't convert? No, because they don't send any traffic.

baddog · 11-20-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Walrus

Really? YOu mean when you sign up to a new program most webmasters don't want to sign up under another webmaster? That's how I read that. I am very surprised by that if it this is true. I always make sure I sign up under someone.

Sad but true.

baddog · 11-20-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

something tells me that you have no problem posting your stats, so, please, go ahead

I'm sorry . . . are you calling me a liar?

SykkBoy · 11-20-2007, 11:54 AM

baddog, if you ever fell below 1:100 with us, I'd probably have you lighting up my ICQ ;-)
1:300, you'd be at my door asking what the fuck is going on....

baddog · 11-20-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

baddog, if you ever fell below 1:100 with us, I'd probably have you lighting up my ICQ ;-)
1:300, you'd be at my door asking what the fuck is going on....

Funny thing is yesterday I looked at my stats from 1/1/05 to current, and overall, they are 1:39 with APM PPS is 1:19.

stev0 · 11-20-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

well, for starters we all have to agree that today 1:2000 is the normal converting ratio with decent quality traffic

and for programs to claim that they are converting 1:300 or better is simply pathetic (I'm sure there are a few tight niches that are still doing that but they are rather the exception)

I hope this post is a joke

If you're converting at 1:2000 you're in the wrong business...

Jenny S. · 11-20-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

I hope this post is a joke

If you're converting at 1:2000 you're in the wrong business...

Or he's been long enough in the biz to know that something that sounds too good to be true in most cases is.

stev0 · 11-20-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S.

Or he's been long enough in the biz to know that something that sounds too good to be true in most cases is.

I'd have to disagree, and I'm pretty sure I've been in this business just as long as him. My average ratio this year between the 30 or so programs I promote is 1:548 on uniques.

As far as my ratios go this year...

My best program 49 sales at 1:83

A few middle programs
#1 1,817 sales @ 1:431
#2 241 sales @ 1:517
#3 100 sales @ 1:665

Worst program 38 sales 1:2598

Anything converting over 1:1000 I generally drop, unless it's paying $50 pps or higher. And I'm talking uniques, not 2nd page or join page hits. If I was converting at 1:2000 I'd assume something was seriously wrong.

stev0 · 11-20-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Funny thing is yesterday I looked at my stats from 1/1/05 to current, and overall, they are 1:39 with APM PPS is 1:19.

Holy shit

baddog · 11-20-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

Holy shit

Like sykkboy said, if I started seeing ratios anywhere close to 1:100 I would be definitely be asking questions.

Antonio · 11-20-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Funny thing is yesterday I looked at my stats from 1/1/05 to current, and overall, they are 1:39 with APM PPS is 1:19.

I had a very good run with them too (lost 2 good Google listing since then):

but I promote probably no less than 150 sponsors and when I say 1:2000 is common I mean it, I'm talking traffic straight from blogs to the sponsor, I can filter and refilter that traffic too and get it to 1:5 if I really have to but what exactly is the pont? On average the same sponsors with the same traffic convert 3-5 TIMES worse than 6 months ago

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Originally Posted by stev0

I hope this post is a joke

If you're converting at 1:2000 you're in the wrong business...

sure man, I'll send traffic to the sponsors you tell me to straight from my blogs (I have a few), you promise that they'll convert 1:300 I promise that you get 30% of the sales, do we have a deal?

baddog · 11-20-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

but I promote probably no less than 150 sponsors and when I say 1:2000 is common I mean it, I'm talking traffic straight from blogs to the sponsor, I can filter and refilter that traffic too and get it to 1:5 if I really have to but what exactly is the pont? On average the same sponsors with the same traffic convert 3-5 TIMES worse than 6 months ago

Well, therein lies the problem. I would never send my traffic to 150 sponsors because I would rather send it to those that convert.

Have I ever had a sponsor that converted like crap? Of course. But then I move on.

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sure man, I'll send traffic to the sponsors you tell me to straight from my blogs (I have a few), you promise that they'll convert 1:300 I promise that you get 30% of the sales, do we have a deal?

Can I get some of that action? I have somewhere you can send your traffic and guarantee you do better than that.

Jenny S. · 11-20-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

I'd have to disagree, and I'm pretty sure I've been in this business just as long as him. My average ratio this year between the 30 or so programs I promote is 1:548 on uniques.

As far as my ratios go this year...

My best program 49 sales at 1:83

A few middle programs
#1 1,817 sales @ 1:431
#2 241 sales @ 1:517
#3 100 sales @ 1:665

Worst program 38 sales 1:2598

Anything converting over 1:1000 I generally drop, unless it's paying $50 pps or higher. And I'm talking uniques, not 2nd page or join page hits. If I was converting at 1:2000 I'd assume something was seriously wrong.

Well, these numbers sound realistic. 1:548 average is still very good, as I said, and 1:83 is possible, under certain circumstances. All depends what kind of traffic it is.

I am just very cautios when people throw fairy-tale conversions around, especially when they only do TGPs, and act as if these numbers are common on a long term basis.

I look at it from the other end, from the program end, and do see that some people talk a big talk when they sign up for an affiliate program. After a couple of sales they don't convert any more and start bashing the site. At a closer look the problem often is that they don't send any traffic. When the farm-boy can't swim he blames it on the swim trunks.

If you only send 5 people a day to a site you are not going to make any significant amount of money in affiliates, no matter what your conversion ratios are.

baddog · 11-20-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S.

I am just very cautios when people throw fairy-tale conversions around, especially when they only do TGPs, and act as if these numbers are common on a long term basis.

What makes you think anyone throwing those kinds of numbers around are doing any TGP? Yeah, if I was doing TGP I would probably be elated if I was getting 1:2000

ronaldo · 11-20-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

one of the problems that this industry faces, is the LACK of sharing information. IM not talking about sales secrets, but about things like the programs that rip people off. Everyone is so scared to say something. I have a friend that has a sizable TGP network. He promoted a program that he made amazing money with. ONe day, no check. So he stopped promoting. A few months later, the owner shows up, says he is sorry that he had some issues, and pays them. So they talk about it on the phone, and start promoting again. about a year later, they guy does it again with another sizable payout.

My friend NEVER told anyone else. That is the kind of info that should be shared. he was afraid that if he did decide to promote the guy again, the conversions would not be as good if he let others know.

I see what you're saying and don't disagree entirely, BUT if your friend DID make a stink about it and out the guy, I'm guessing he wouldn't have gotten paid. He knew the possibility existed that he would get paid so he kept his mouth shut. There probably aren't too many people who would want to play the hero on GFY and forfeit 4 or 5 figures.

Bake · 11-20-2007, 07:42 PM

There are programe owners posting on this board all the time who dont pay affilates
Most guys I talk to about this don't believe its worth the drama or the effort a good pissing thread takes.

$5 submissions · 11-20-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

so many are in this for the quick buck and take things not seriously at all

I think you nailed the source of the problem.

Jenny S. · 11-21-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

What makes you think anyone throwing those kinds of numbers around are doing any TGP? Yeah, if I was doing TGP I would probably be elated if I was getting 1:2000

Because my stats program shows where my traffic is coming from. That way we can clearly see if a coversion problem is site-related, due to shitty traffic, or due to a lack of overall traffic. Trust me, we had more than one case where someone was whining about sites not converting, and we shut him right, up mailing him proof that he only send 70 visitors in one month, or tons of low converting TGP traffic.

Walrus · 11-24-2007, 06:56 AM

Bump for bad conversion ratios.

sweetpurple04 · 11-24-2007, 07:13 AM

Great thread.. interesting read.

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