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Tube sites = new TGP's. FACT.

11-23-2007, 04:06 AM

just today/yesterday two companies on GFY announced their new (legal) tube sites.

the clips on them might be shorter than on the 'illegal' tube sites, but still much longer than on MGP's.

I guess there's no way back anymore and soon tube sites will be the standard, while TGP's will be forgotten, like link lists nowadays...

megarotic = thehun of the tube world
youporn = worldsex etc

and now everyone tries to start their new ones so soon there will be literally hundreds of adult tube sites - some small, some big

one year from now and they will be also trading with each other and circklejerking visitors

sponsor companies start their own legal tube sites because they want to compete against the 'illegal' ones (the ones with stolen content like megarotic), instead of trying to fight them and stick to more traditional methods of advertising

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11-23-2007, 04:12 AM

O realy?I took you time to realize that.But i belive tgp/mgp sites will still have more traffic beacuse of trade system plus webmasters which doing such sites have good seo skills.After all almost all major keywords on google leads to such sites.Also,i belive ilegall tube sites getting their traffic mostly from warez sites/forums and not from search engines so question is how quality is their traffic.
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11-23-2007, 04:18 AM

i doubt that klen telar, agree with the polish on this one

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11-23-2007, 04:19 AM

Launched one today

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11-23-2007, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by scottybuzz

i doubt that klen telar, agree with the polish on this one

Belive me only reason why ilegall tube sites have big traffic is beacuse they are listed on warez sites.
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11-23-2007, 04:21 AM

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Launched one today

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Is it avaible for spamming, i mean uploading
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11-23-2007, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Is it avaible for spamming, i mean uploading

Sure as long as it is legal content I dont mind

Later we will even provide the possibility to have uploaders display their own advertisement in front of the video..

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11-23-2007, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by ro8in

Sure as long as it is legal content I dont mind

Later we will even provide the possibility to have uploaders display their own advertisement in front of the video..

I see there is description field,can be aff link puted there?
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11-23-2007, 04:32 AM

Yeah links is no problem

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11-23-2007, 04:45 AM

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11-23-2007, 04:49 AM

megarotic = thehun of the tube world
youporn = worldsex etc

No these are illegal.
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11-23-2007, 04:54 AM

where the fuck do you get the bandwidth to run tube sites?
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11-23-2007, 04:55 AM

It´s true that porn tube site will become a standar and very popular, but also it´s tru that the traffic trade system of the mgp will be very difficult to make it work on tube sites...

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11-23-2007, 04:56 AM

What do you figure how much bandwidth would you go thru a month with a legal tube?
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11-23-2007, 04:58 AM

I don't think tubes will replace TGPs, since the only really successful tube style sites are using "user generated content". That's the key, it's not about how the content is presented only, it's about the content itself...and so the majority of tubes will always stay illegal.
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11-23-2007, 07:16 AM

Bandwidth is gonna have to get a hell of a lot cheaper to make that a profitable model.

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11-23-2007, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

Tube sites = new TGP's. FACT.

Sort of, but not really. The main difference is that starting up a TGP is easy, i.e. has a very low barrier to entry. With tube sites, this is not so, because bandwidth costs are enormous.

Imagine if paysites did not charge for memberships and instead allowed every surfer to view and download all their videos for free, supported with banner ads. Essentially, that is the tube site business model. Some smart webmasters will be able to make that business model work, but most wont.

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11-23-2007, 08:08 AM

If everyone uploaded crap clips and clips unrelated to the title maybe they wouldn't be so popular. Take a "Rate my Shit" video and title it "Hot teen sex"

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11-23-2007, 08:12 AM

tgp's -> tube sites = another amount of money lost for everyone

now it's a question of keeping it legal

The question that would always interest me is the ratio between:

underage / third world traffic vs. credible traffic on these sites

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11-23-2007, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Belive me only reason why ilegall tube sites have big traffic is beacuse they are listed on warez sites.

hmm how about no.

You could not be more wrong about this, it has no onfluence what so ever in the tube biz word of mouth is 90%

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11-23-2007, 08:34 AM

With TGP/MGP galleries the content matches the ads, I would think that to be a lot more profitable. I don't see tube sites doing this, if they did it would pretty much just be a gallery with one streaming clip.
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11-23-2007, 08:45 AM

Here we go again.....

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11-23-2007, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by tranza

Here we go again.....

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11-23-2007, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by polle54

hmm how about no.

You could not be more wrong about this, it has no onfluence what so ever in the tube biz word of mouth is 90%

Yeah right it's hard to belive million visitors daily comes on word of mounth .Even more according to alexa rank.
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11-23-2007, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

just today/yesterday two companies on GFY announced their new (legal) tube sites.

the clips on them might be shorter than on the 'illegal' tube sites, but still much longer than on MGP's.

I guess there's no way back anymore and soon tube sites will be the standard, while TGP's will be forgotten, like link lists nowadays...

megarotic = thehun of the tube world
youporn = worldsex etc

and now everyone tries to start their new ones so soon there will be literally hundreds of adult tube sites - some small, some big

one year from now and they will be also trading with each other and circklejerking visitors

sponsor companies start their own legal tube sites because they want to compete against the 'illegal' ones (the ones with stolen content like megarotic), instead of trying to fight them and stick to more traditional methods of advertising

Then all we will need is someone to write some submitter software that submits your videos to all of the tube sites....Then I'll upload some of my short watermarked clips and watch the traffic roll in.

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11-23-2007, 08:58 AM

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11-23-2007, 09:00 AM

What two companies made tube sites ?
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11-23-2007, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

just today/yesterday two companies on GFY announced their new (legal) tube sites.

the clips on them might be shorter than on the 'illegal' tube sites, but still much longer than on MGP's.

I guess there's no way back anymore and soon tube sites will be the standard, while TGP's will be forgotten, like link lists nowadays...

megarotic = thehun of the tube world
youporn = worldsex etc

and now everyone tries to start their new ones so soon there will be literally hundreds of adult tube sites - some small, some big

one year from now and they will be also trading with each other and circklejerking visitors

sponsor companies start their own legal tube sites because they want to compete against the 'illegal' ones (the ones with stolen content like megarotic), instead of trying to fight them and stick to more traditional methods of advertising

Yes you are on to something my sexy polish friend.

People like IDIOT!! SleazyDream will be phased out in the next 1 - 2 years. Want to see something interesting ? Go to alexa and enter in 4 urls to compare traffic. Enter in:

megarotic.com
yourporn.com
thehun.com
sleazydream.com

and set it to show for the last 3 years. Let me know what you see

Tubesites, torrent sites already have replaced TGPS. It will take only a couple more years for everyone else to catch on.

However, here is the problem for people who own membership sites that consist of just pictures and videos. They are going to be obsolete like the TGPS from this new evolution of sites (tubes and torrents). Also tube site owners are going to be hard pressed to make money from their tube sites. Some big differences between tubes and tgps:

1. Bandwidth: The tube site hosts all the videos and the videos are much longer, their bandwidth will go through the roof. TGPS, all they do is host links and push the bandwidth cost back to the submiters.

2. Monetizing traffic: TGPS make most of their money from selling link spots on their daily list, not from banners. Tubes make money from banner ads which cuts out a lot of the profit potential.

3. Type of content: TGPS showed pictures and 30 second vids. This was gret advertising for a picture and video site. However tubes on the other hand show a lot more of the video for free, in some cases they show entire full lenght videos, therefore very very (very) few people will signup to a pic and video membership site after they just got finished watching all of the full length videos from that site for free.

Those are major issues that the tube sites will face. For 1 they will be a terrible way to make sales for pic and video membership sites, infact the tube site will help bring to an end traditional pic and video membership sites. The tube sites are so limited on how they can make money, they will be left putting banners to dating and cams sites, thats about it. The high cost they will have from bandwidth might make their expenses more than their sales from banners to cams and dating. Unless they find some unique ways to monetize the traffic people will take shots with tubes but they wont be making a killing. There are also the issues of copyrighted content and illegal content if they allow people to upload videos.

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11-23-2007, 09:08 AM

Only business models that continue to stay profitable over time are the business that get a monopoly by the state, or go below the radar of potential competition

Paying for porn on the internet was doomed when the first people started to give it away for nothing, since then it has been a downward spiral, which will suck more and more potential business out of the market place at a faster and faster rate.

Now before you hang yourself over the idiocy builded into this business (counter wanking), then always remember that new opportunities arrives every day - there are millions to be made, but you have to find the road by yourself - copying what everyone is doing is pointless, unless you can do it better, which is kinda self-defeating, if its giving away free porn, and you want to make a business out of it...

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11-23-2007, 09:19 AM

yea there are a lot of similarities. Some people hated TGP's thought they were giving away too much away and also concerns people were using unlicensing the content etc etc
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11-23-2007, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Bossman

then always remember that new opportunities arrives every day - there are millions to be made, but you have to find the road by yourself - copying what everyone is doing is pointless,...

this quote is very true. I suspect a lot of people are going to try to start their own tubesites, small noobs and big companies a like. 99.9% of them will fail. For the noobs, just because you make a tube site doesn't mean people will magically flock to it. You will still need to pay for advertising to get people to it. If you do get traffic to it, then watch that server bill go through the roof. Most of you are probably on some cheap hosting deal, this will kill your bandwith bill and crash your servers.

Use the people who would submit to the tgps, if didnt know what you were doing and you submitted a gallery to thehun you wound up costing yourself of a lot of money in bandwidth and made no sales. Tubesites will be no different, untill you learn how to make money from it you will be losing your ass on it, that is if you even get traffic to it in the first place.

But good luck with that. Money is to be made where people come up with unigue ways to make it, not just do what everyone else is doing. And doing what everyone else is doing couldn't be more worst for you when it comes to tube sites.

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11-23-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by will76

Yes you are on to something my sexy polish friend.

People like IDIOT!! SleazyDream will be phased out in the next 1 - 2 years. Want to see something interesting ? Go to alexa and enter in 0]urls to compare traffic. Enter in:

megarotic.com
yourporn.com
thehun.com
sleazydream.com

and set it to show for the last 3 years. Let me know what you see

Tubesites, torrent sites already have replaced TGPS. It will take only a couple more years for everyone else to catch on.

However, here is the problem for people who own membership sites that consist of just pictures and videos. They are going to be obsolete like the TGPS from this new evolution of sites (tubes and torrents). Also tube site owners are going to be hard pressed to make money from their tube sites. Some big differences between tubes and tgps:

1. Bandwidth: The tube site hosts all the videos and the videos are much longer, their bandwidth will go through the roof. TGPS, all they do is host links and push the bandwidth cost back to the submiters.

2. Monetizing traffic: TGPS make most of their money from selling link spots on their daily list, not from banners. Tubes make money from banner ads which cuts out a lot of the profit potential.

3. Type of content: TGPS showed pictures and 30 second vids. This was gret advertising for a picture and video site. However tubes on the other hand show a lot more of the video for free, in some cases they show entire full lenght videos, therefore very very (very) few people will signup to a pic and video membership site after they just got finished watching all of the full length videos from that site for free.

Those are major issues that the tube sites will face. For 1 they will be a terrible way to make sales for pic and video membership sites, infact the tube site will help bring to an end traditional pic and video membership sites. The tube sites are so limited on how they can make money, they will be left putting banners to dating and cams sites, thats about it. The high cost they will have from bandwidth might make their expenses more than their sales from banners to cams and dating. Unless they find some unique ways to monetize the traffic people will take shots with tubes but they wont be making a killing. There are also the issues of copyrighted content and illegal content if they allow people to upload videos.

wanking for free, that's the whole point I mean you can't make more money offering to someone more free content (as we already disputed on "the other" board)

actually, I am concerned that the biggest stolen content tube sites don't make a 1 / 100 of profit compared with the biggest sponsors but generate say 100 000 potential sign ups / day loss plus the worst thing is that once the surfer ever find out the free sex he will always come back (well if you wank for 20 minutes you will remember the site name)..

Also, millions of new internet users are taught it's ok to find anything stolen for free and will hardly even bother to search for other stuff...

It's like you can choose between two hookers - one costs 600 bucks / number and looks super cool / the other one ain't that flashy not exactly your type but still bangable and you can fuck her as often as you want for free, what will you choose?

The only way - accept tube sites as it's a more interactive way of promotion BUT find a way how to keep it legal and sane, actually if anyone wants to stop beating around the bush all the time and do something concrete against copyright infridgement I am in

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11-23-2007, 09:47 AM

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11-23-2007, 09:58 AM

The tube sites are just a really really bad idea. Guys saw YouTube and said, "This is the wave of the future!"

Unfortuntaely the idiots didn't take into consideration that YouTube's mainstream biz model doesn't have to be monetized the same way. A video of a cat farting isn't meant to upsell Catfarting.com.

This trend just goes to show how little business sense a lot of guys that are in this business actually have.

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11-23-2007, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Pornwolf

Unfortuntaely the idiots didn't take into consideration that YouTube's mainstream biz model doesn't have to be monetized the same way. A video of a cat farting isn't meant to upsell Catfarting.com.

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11-23-2007, 01:31 PM

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11-23-2007, 02:08 PM

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11-23-2007, 02:22 PM

"actually, I am concerned that the biggest stolen content tube sites don't make a 1 / 100 of profit compared with the biggest sponsors but generate say 100 000 potential sign ups / day loss plus the worst thing is that once the surfer ever find out the free sex he will always come back (well if you wank for 20 minutes you will remember the site name).."

is a very good quote
too much free porn simply means surfer wanks off and keeps money in his pocket
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11-23-2007, 02:28 PM

why would a surfer EVER visit a tgp if they found sites like tnaflix?

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11-23-2007, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Rockatansky

why would a surfer EVER visit a tgp if they found sites like tnaflix?

Don't worry, they won't. Unfortunately I think it will be maybe one year or less before 90% of the TGP traffic has been stolen by these evil tube sites.

That's going to have really bad implications for the overall business.

We've seen sky is falling scenarios many times in the history of the biz but I think this is one of those watershed moments for real this time.

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11-23-2007, 03:06 PM

That is why you routinely do random searches for your stuff. Then hit the tubes with a C&D.

I am working with my attorney to get even tougher on those who repeatedly take full length videos and post them. I do not care about the 20-30 second samples. But clips that are 10 minutes in length, and posting a whole series is ridiculous.

Luckily the megauploads, and rapidshares remove things within 48 hours of being contacted. Youtube/Google has removed our videos as well, and provided a tool for me to use to get things removed immediately. You have to fill out a legal C&D for them to have on file, then you get the tool.

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11-23-2007, 03:09 PM

You do realize most of these "tube" sites can't even afford their own bandwidth bills..

Besides that sponsor approved tube sites lack what makes real tube site popular. The surfer can't upload videos.

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11-23-2007, 03:10 PM

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11-23-2007, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Andy Servers4Less

Just putting it out there... ServersForLess.com for your tube projects

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11-23-2007, 03:43 PM

You people also forget the give shit away for free and the ads will pay has been tried on the net and failed. Why do you think all the big tubes are now offering members ships? I think there is a big spanking in the future of online free porn. People will tolerate vices behind closed doors,not in the open given away for free where lots of children can access not just trailers but full movies. THere is going to be blowback.Also has youtube made google any real money?
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11-23-2007, 03:49 PM

I don't think you need to look at a tube site as a direct profitable site for the average webmaster. They can make sense as part of something bigger ... not as much as a main or only website you have.

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11-23-2007, 03:49 PM

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has youtube made google any real money?

If it don't make dollas. It don't make sense.

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11-23-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

If it don't make dollas. It don't make sense.

That's an assumption, this is the internet lots of deals have been made that haven't made a dime.
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11-23-2007, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by tony404

Also has youtube made google any real money?

Don't forget that with acquiring Youtube they get profiles and preferences of millions and ten millions of people, what more - very young people (teenagers) so in a long term they can "learn them" to use google as the only instance for searching for products / use adverts / sell whatever etc. , having data and prefferences of millions of people is an incredible power..

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