Alot TGP owners are so fucking greedy - GoFuckYourself.com

biskoppen · 11-23-2007, 01:53 AM

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing TGP owners who sells their spots having their own FHG listed in the topspots (click forced up there)... are you fucking kidding us?

I'm not going to mention any TGPs here, you all know who you are.. you're fucking thiefs who with one hand sells us your traffic and with the other one steals it all back again (all the good stuff) by taking the topspots yourself

Fucking greedy idiots

the Shemp · 11-23-2007, 02:11 AM

gallery submitters are stupid for paying for the "chance to get listed"
they should force a system where you only pay for what gets on the page..
however, i am in the minority on this and i'm also very old as well ;)

minusonebit · 11-23-2007, 02:15 AM

Start a blog instead. When you think about it, a blog is not much different than a TGP/VGP, except you are in control and call the shots.

CunningStunt · 11-23-2007, 02:28 AM

The only people that make any money in the whole TGP side of this industry are the TGP owners.

I hit it hard a few year's back, and with a HUN placement, as well as a few other biggies, I was lucky if I made a grand from a week or two's efforts. And most week's you will not get listed in a biggy without paying for it, especially now.

People who pay good money for programs like chameleon are naive idiots.

biskoppen · 11-23-2007, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

The only people that make any money in the whole TGP side of this industry are the TGP owners.

I hit it hard a few year's back, and with a HUN placement, as well as a few other biggies, I was lucky if I made a grand from a week or two's efforts. And most week's you will not get listed in a biggy without paying for it, especially now.

People who pay good money for programs like chameleon are naive idiots.

There are a few TGPs out there still letting the webmaster make profit, but I agree.. 95% of all TGPS the only one making money is the TGP owner himself...

xmanxx · 11-23-2007, 06:16 AM

need to use new methods as all people say tgp owners are becomming greedy so need to work on new methods..

polish_aristocrat · 11-23-2007, 06:18 AM

every webmaster is greedy, i guess thats the point of being in this biz

biskoppen · 11-23-2007, 06:40 AM

Maybe we should all begin making chargebacks on our gallery purchases.. "Well, we didn't get what we paid for..."

tony286 · 11-23-2007, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

gallery submitters are stupid for paying for the "chance to get listed"
they should force a system where you only pay for what gets on the page..
however, i am in the minority on this and i'm also very old as well ;)

You are also very wise my friend.

Martin · 11-23-2007, 06:49 AM

There isn't a program out even worth promoting on TGP's right now. Who's going to pay these insane prices these TGP's are asking to see 1:5000 ratios? The TGP game is fucked up.

HS-Trixxxia · 11-23-2007, 06:54 AM

biskoppen - I know my sites are small in comparison but if you give me your galleries, to list (hopefully a wide variety) you will get the two top listings daily. May not be much but I don't trade - I don't cheat and it's all SE traffic & growing daily

StarkReality · 11-23-2007, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

gallery submitters are stupid for paying for the "chance to get listed"
they should force a system where you only pay for what gets on the page..
however, i am in the minority on this and i'm also very old as well ;)

Yep, I'm pretty amazed so many people are still willing to gamble with submitter accounts instead of buying paid spots...but with all the newbies constantly entering the industry, this ripoff will probably stay successful for quite a time.

nation-x · 11-23-2007, 07:53 AM

Why do you think their are tgps that still take submissions? That is how they are making money... The tgp game is very saturated and all of the cheaters who make money selling traffic to traffic brokers have almost killed the game. You are lucky to make $2k per mos/100K daily traffic these days.... and that barely covers bandwidth if you have big thumbs.

escorpio · 11-23-2007, 08:06 AM

Is it still possible to make money with paid spots? Rates haven't fallen the way conversion ratios have.

Klen · 11-23-2007, 08:14 AM

Sorry but if you want pa on my tgp you need to pay 1000$ hehe

pornguy · 11-23-2007, 08:20 AM

Thats just what they call business.

headless ghost · 11-23-2007, 08:23 AM

tgp owners are greedy and you are too stupid to generate your own traffic.
end of the day you are still stupid.
no one said you had to use any tgp's traffic.
having your head so far up your ass is starving you brain for oxygen.
pull the fuck out.

axelez · 11-23-2007, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

Who's going to pay these insane prices these TGP's are asking to see 1:5000

Barefootsies · 11-23-2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

gallery submitters are stupid for paying for the "chance to get listed"

Barefootsies · 11-23-2007, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

People who pay good money for programs like chameleon are naive idiots.

Generalized statements reinforce you are an idiot.

To clarify, anyone who uses a program and their default DB will not be successful.

The tools are great, but you need to consistently track and tweak to make the coin.

dready · 11-23-2007, 10:28 AM

I don't understand why anyone would still submit at all. Submitters no longer server any purpose.

fuzebox · 11-23-2007, 10:50 AM

I quit submitting about 6 weeks ago, and I'm actually making more money now thanks to the extra free time to do other more profitable things, and money saved from spending on partner accounts.

selena · 11-23-2007, 10:54 AM

I dropped all paid accounts a good while back, and haven't seen a significant drop in my submitter income. That said, I am fortunate to have a handful of very nice free accounts, and I am sure that helps.

Sosa · 11-23-2007, 11:43 AM

I've stopped buying partner accounts etc. Submitting is going down down hill for most submitters.

CunningStunt · 11-23-2007, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Generalized statements reinforce you are an idiot.

To clarify, anyone who uses a program and their default DB will not be successful.

The tools are great, but you need to consistently track and tweak to make the coin.

I tweaked the hell out of the database, and had hundreds of niche places to submit in it.

The whole process of submitting is and has been dead for at least 5 years.

Move on.

DirtyProfits · 11-23-2007, 12:24 PM

I pointed that out two years ago already but nobody wanted to listen to me.

DirtyProfits · 11-23-2007, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I tweaked the hell out of the database, and had hundreds of niche places to submit in it.

The whole process of submitting is and has been dead for at least 5 years.

Move on.

not true! I was still making a lot of money with submitting in 2005.

L-Pink · 11-23-2007, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

every webmaster is greedy, i guess thats the point of being in this biz

In now way should it be the point but it is the unfortunate reality.

fris · 11-23-2007, 01:04 PM

tgps are so 90s

Dirty F · 11-23-2007, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

The only people that make any money in the whole TGP side of this industry are the TGP owners.

I hit it hard a few year's back, and with a HUN placement, as well as a few other biggies, I was lucky if I made a grand from a week or two's efforts. And most week's you will not get listed in a biggy without paying for it, especially now.

People who pay good money for programs like chameleon are naive idiots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I tweaked the hell out of the database, and had hundreds of niche places to submit in it.

The whole process of submitting is and has been dead for at least 5 years.

Move on.

Dear god, you're such an imbecile. Amazing.

CunningStunt · 11-23-2007, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

Dear god, you're such an imbecile. Amazing.

I always wondered why people called you a useless fuckwit troll, and now I have first hand proof.

Nice to me you dipshit.

Dirty F · 11-23-2007, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I always wondered why people called you a useless fuckwit troll, and now I have first hand proof.

Nice to me you dipshit.

No cuntface, dont turn things around. You come here in this thread and make 2 totally fucking ridiculous statements which obviously is the result of YOU being a failure and thats why i call you an imbecile. This has nothing to be with being a troll. Dont confuse things imbecile.

papill0n · 11-23-2007, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

gallery submitters are stupid for paying for the "chance to get listed"

I wish more people would understand this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

i am in the minority on this and i'm also very old as well ;)

with age comes wisdom shemp ;)

Barefootsies · 11-23-2007, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

You come here in this thread and make 2 totally fucking ridiculous statements which obviously is the result of YOU being a failure

Exactly.

Iron Fist · 11-23-2007, 02:50 PM

Well if submitting sucks so bad.. why does it still take over a month to get reviewed at TheHun? Hmm?

Dennis69 · 11-23-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

Well if submitting sucks so bad.. why does it still take over a month to get reviewed at TheHun? Hmm?

Those tgps that are worth getting listed on are very few these days!

Dennis69 · 11-23-2007, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

gallery submitters are stupid for paying for the "chance to get listed"
they should force a system where you only pay for what gets on the page..
however, i am in the minority on this and i'm also very old as well ;)

Well then I'll guess it's save to call you a wise old man then

blogman9 · 11-23-2007, 03:50 PM

Good Thread!
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HowlingWulf · 11-23-2007, 04:20 PM

My TGP galleries I submit to about 40 sites bring in about 6-7k/month after expenses but maybe I'm just lucky. I do have a number of PAs, paid and free.

starpimps · 11-23-2007, 05:21 PM

VikingThumbs.com ....is down..

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CunningStunt · 11-23-2007, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

Well if submitting sucks so bad.. why does it still take over a month to get reviewed at TheHun? Hmm?

Because there are 10K noob webmasters using auto submit tools all trying to get listed.

You're right to some extent Frank, submitting galleries both via an auto submitter, plus handpicking and getting over 50 partner accounts, getting listed in places like the Hun, xnxx etc (proving my galleries weren't shite), I couldn't make it pay as much as other methods.

It is probably the least productive thing I've done in the 5 years doing this gig full time, other than hang out in this place.

Seems the only ones making good coin from the process are the TGP owners (and good luck to them), submitter software owners selling the dream of an easy buck, and a few lucky ones with lots of good contacts who give them preferential treatment.

Lamis · 11-23-2007, 08:14 PM

This is true. I have droped a lot of account too. And I am going to drop two more this months, since they are not sending me any traffic. I am paying 100 per month for their smartthumbs tgps and they send less traffic than posting my gallery in one post of a free porn forum. Just insane.

Also, Why do some TGPs in Submitpasses system sell unlimited amount of Partner Accounts???!! They don't have any stop or limit. If there are 500 guys asking for account, they have no problems to sell 500 accounts and keep selling.. That is unethical and tricking the honest webmaster.

Lamis · 11-23-2007, 09:33 PM

Not many submitters here it seems...

Klen · 11-23-2007, 09:34 PM

Still waiting for those 1000$

Spunky · 11-23-2007, 09:42 PM

It's the soul purpose for the TGP/MGP owner to give it all away for free..Who gives a fuck they pay for hosting and give away free partner accounts and want the submitter to make sales ..Jesus,all I ask is for a little traffic that may come from a reciprocal link up top,nothing else..I can't believe how much submitters complain.The TGP owners have to seek out decent traffic themselves in order to make you bastards some sales for fuck sakes..what do you expect?

webmasterchecks · 11-23-2007, 09:43 PM

The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that: Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right; greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms, greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge — has marked the upward surge of mankind and greed, you mark my words — will not only save Teldar Paper but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.

Spunky · 11-23-2007, 09:46 PM

For the life of me I wonder why I waste my time and money on trying to keep an obviously over saturated market and just concentrate on mainstream.

Martin · 11-24-2007, 01:50 AM

okay im gonna tell you right now.. the place you want to get listed,, from an old school mafacka..

#1 The Hun of course.. It's gotta be niches.. Interracial does well.. Wifey etc.
@Snakes
@Shemp
@Pink World
@Thumbzilla
@ThumbnailPost -> Very Hard but very productive.
@ElephantList

The rest well good luck..

IMHO feel free to add.

Martin · 11-24-2007, 01:55 AM

Oh yeal al4a is awesome traffic, always a few sales from them.. World Sex is very hard, but if you have the right site to send them too you'll do well.. Like I said, the rest well its hit and miss.... Got to have someting fresh.. Micro niche shit... Best to have your own proggie..... Good luck!

the Shemp · 11-24-2007, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

okay im gonna tell you right now.. the place you want to get listed,, from an old school mafacka..

#1 The Hun of course.. It's gotta be niches.. Interracial does well.. Wifey etc.
@Snakes
@Shemp
@Pink World
@Thumbzilla
@ThumbnailPost -> Very Hard but very productive.
@ElephantList
@al4a
The rest well good luck..

IMHO feel free to add.

that looks like my submit list from about 6 years ago ...

11-23-2007, 02:11 AM	#2
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	gallery submitters are stupid for paying for the "chance to get listed" they should force a system where you only pay for what gets on the page.. however, i am in the minority on this and i'm also very old as well ;) __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

11-23-2007, 06:18 AM	#7
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	every webmaster is greedy, i guess thats the point of being in this biz __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

11-23-2007, 06:54 AM	#11
HS-Trixxxia Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 2,946	biskoppen - I know my sites are small in comparison but if you give me your galleries, to list (hopefully a wide variety) you will get the two top listings daily. May not be much but I don't trade - I don't cheat and it's all SE traffic & growing daily __________________ ~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~ Patrizia COO - ♥ MassiveDollars Email: patrizia at MassiveDollars dot com ICQ: 465.826.441 Yahoo: trixxxia_me MSN: trixxxia at hotmail dot com

11-23-2007, 08:20 AM	#16
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Thats just what they call business. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

11-23-2007, 10:28 AM	#21
dready Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 5,247	I don't understand why anyone would still submit at all. Submitters no longer server any purpose. __________________ ICQ: 91139591

11-23-2007, 01:53 AM	#1
biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	Alot TGP owners are so fucking greedy I'm getting sick and tired of seeing TGP owners who sells their spots having their own FHG listed in the topspots (click forced up there)... are you fucking kidding us? I'm not going to mention any TGPs here, you all know who you are.. you're fucking thiefs who with one hand sells us your traffic and with the other one steals it all back again (all the good stuff) by taking the topspots yourself Fucking greedy idiots

11-23-2007, 02:15 AM	#3
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Start a blog instead. When you think about it, a blog is not much different than a TGP/VGP, except you are in control and call the shots.

11-23-2007, 02:28 AM	#4
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	The only people that make any money in the whole TGP side of this industry are the TGP owners. I hit it hard a few year's back, and with a HUN placement, as well as a few other biggies, I was lucky if I made a grand from a week or two's efforts. And most week's you will not get listed in a biggy without paying for it, especially now. People who pay good money for programs like chameleon are naive idiots.

11-23-2007, 06:16 AM	#6
xmanxx Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 74	need to use new methods as all people say tgp owners are becomming greedy so need to work on new methods..

11-23-2007, 06:40 AM	#8
biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	Maybe we should all begin making chargebacks on our gallery purchases.. "Well, we didn't get what we paid for..."

11-23-2007, 06:49 AM	#10
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	There isn't a program out even worth promoting on TGP's right now. Who's going to pay these insane prices these TGP's are asking to see 1:5000 ratios? The TGP game is fucked up.

11-23-2007, 07:53 AM	#13
nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	Why do you think their are tgps that still take submissions? That is how they are making money... The tgp game is very saturated and all of the cheaters who make money selling traffic to traffic brokers have almost killed the game. You are lucky to make $2k per mos/100K daily traffic these days.... and that barely covers bandwidth if you have big thumbs.

11-23-2007, 08:06 AM	#14
escorpio I love to racism, bro! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA! USA! USA! Posts: 23,197	Is it still possible to make money with paid spots? Rates haven't fallen the way conversion ratios have.

11-23-2007, 08:14 AM	#15
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Sorry but if you want pa on my tgp you need to pay 1000$ hehe

11-23-2007, 08:23 AM	#17
headless ghost Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 893	tgp owners are greedy and you are too stupid to generate your own traffic. end of the day you are still stupid. no one said you had to use any tgp's traffic. having your head so far up your ass is starving you brain for oxygen. pull the fuck out.

11-23-2007, 10:50 AM	#22
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,140	I quit submitting about 6 weeks ago, and I'm actually making more money now thanks to the extra free time to do other more profitable things, and money saved from spending on partner accounts.

11-23-2007, 10:54 AM	#23
selena Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On The Edge Posts: 7,994	I dropped all paid accounts a good while back, and haven't seen a significant drop in my submitter income. That said, I am fortunate to have a handful of very nice free accounts, and I am sure that helps. __________________ ~ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art ~The MetArt Network ~ selena.delgado9

11-23-2007, 11:43 AM	#24
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	I've stopped buying partner accounts etc. Submitting is going down down hill for most submitters.

11-23-2007, 12:24 PM	#26
DirtyProfits Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,885	I pointed that out two years ago already but nobody wanted to listen to me.

11-23-2007, 01:04 PM	#29
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	tgps are so 90s __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

11-23-2007, 02:50 PM	#35
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Well if submitting sucks so bad.. why does it still take over a month to get reviewed at TheHun? Hmm? __________________ i like waffles

11-23-2007, 03:50 PM	#38
blogman9 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,261	Good Thread! http://www.thereisnomoneyinporn.com

11-23-2007, 04:20 PM	#39
HowlingWulf Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,662	My TGP galleries I submit to about 40 sites bring in about 6-7k/month after expenses but maybe I'm just lucky. I do have a number of PAs, paid and free. __________________ WP Porn directory/review theme Maddos $35. webmaster AT howling-wulf.com

11-23-2007, 05:21 PM	#40
starpimps Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: internets Posts: 6,954	VikingThumbs.com ....is down.. "Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /xxxx/vikingthumbs.com/xxxx/index.php:2) in /xxxx/vikingthumbs.com/xxxx/index.php on line 2" __________________ Teen Porn Models / Solo Girls

11-23-2007, 08:14 PM	#42
Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	This is true. I have droped a lot of account too. And I am going to drop two more this months, since they are not sending me any traffic. I am paying 100 per month for their smartthumbs tgps and they send less traffic than posting my gallery in one post of a free porn forum. Just insane. Also, Why do some TGPs in Submitpasses system sell unlimited amount of Partner Accounts???!! They don't have any stop or limit. If there are 500 guys asking for account, they have no problems to sell 500 accounts and keep selling.. That is unethical and tricking the honest webmaster.

11-23-2007, 09:33 PM	#43
Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	Not many submitters here it seems...

11-23-2007, 09:34 PM	#44
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Still waiting for those 1000$

11-23-2007, 09:42 PM	#45
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,949	It's the soul purpose for the TGP/MGP owner to give it all away for free..Who gives a fuck they pay for hosting and give away free partner accounts and want the submitter to make sales ..Jesus,all I ask is for a little traffic that may come from a reciprocal link up top,nothing else..I can't believe how much submitters complain.The TGP owners have to seek out decent traffic themselves in order to make you bastards some sales for fuck sakes..what do you expect? __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

11-23-2007, 09:43 PM	#46
webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that: Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right; greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms, greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge — has marked the upward surge of mankind and greed, you mark my words — will not only save Teldar Paper but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

11-23-2007, 09:46 PM	#47
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,949	For the life of me I wonder why I waste my time and money on trying to keep an obviously over saturated market and just concentrate on mainstream. __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

11-24-2007, 01:50 AM	#48
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	okay im gonna tell you right now.. the place you want to get listed,, from an old school mafacka.. #1 The Hun of course.. It's gotta be niches.. Interracial does well.. Wifey etc. @Snakes @Shemp @Pink World @Thumbzilla @ThumbnailPost -> Very Hard but very productive. @ElephantList The rest well good luck.. IMHO feel free to add.

11-24-2007, 01:55 AM	#49
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Oh yeal al4a is awesome traffic, always a few sales from them.. World Sex is very hard, but if you have the right site to send them too you'll do well.. Like I said, the rest well its hit and miss.... Got to have someting fresh.. Micro niche shit... Best to have your own proggie..... Good luck! Last edited by Martin; 11-24-2007 at 01:56 AM..