How to LEGALLY steal someone else's land

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Fucked up legal news of the day: http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_7501264

Many Western US states have laws that allow trespassers to legally take over someone else's land. This is the legal doctrine of ADVERSE POSSESSION.

If you own vacant land (hoping to develop it later), read up on this or you might get legally 0WN3D like the couple in the news story above.

Here's more background info on ADVERSE POSSESSION: http://real-estate-law.freeadvice.co...possession.htm

Normally, the legal requirements for the land user are:

The possession must be open for all to see.

The possession must be exclusive to him or her (e.g., the fence in the above example, a driveway, road, etc.)

The possession must be hostile to the actual owner of the land.

To gain title to land through adverse possession requires strict compliance with the law, but can have dramatic impact upon land ownership rights.

(Some states require that the trespasser pay taxes on the land or demonstrate some sort of otherwise legal compliance)

[DEA - banned for life]

squaters rights..

[Fat Panda]

some fucked up shit....sad state when private property rights mean complete shit now

[tony286]

thats fucking crazy.

[sysk]

Is there any equivalent in Canada ??

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Originally Posted by sysk

Is there any equivalent in Canada ??

Here you go: http://www.law.ualberta.ca/alri/docs/fr89.pdf

[JohnnyJames]

easier method. . .

Invade a foreign land, claim it as your own.

Iraq? Nope.

Good ole USA.

Who owned the land before Columbus and posse arrived here?

Think hard. Not many left these days.

Native Americans. Indians (Not from India).

Whole continent, taken freely.

Fuckers got casinos now though, so they will be buying it all back soon. Did you know that Hard Rock, the international corporation, is now owned by. . .

The Seminole Indian Tribe of Florida.

[spacedog]

Anyone found trespassing on my land would get shot in the kneecap.
That is if I had any land of course..

[sysk]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

easier method. . .

Invade a foreign land, claim it as your own.

Iraq? Nope.

Good ole USA.

Who owned the land before Columbus and posse arrived here?

Think hard. Not many left these days.

Native Americans. Indians (Not from India).

Whole continent, taken freely.

Fuckers got casinos now though, so they will be buying it all back soon. Did you know that Hard Rock, the international corporation, is now owned by. . .

The Seminole Indian Tribe of Florida.

In Canada, they are exempt of taxes, don't work and get a FAT welfare paycheck. No surprise Kahnawake Gaming Commission owns almost every online casinos...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

easier method. . .

Invade a foreign land, claim it as your own.

Iraq? Nope.

Good ole USA.

Who owned the land before Columbus and posse arrived here?

Think hard. Not many left these days.

Native Americans. Indians (Not from India).

Whole continent, taken freely.

Fuckers got casinos now though, so they will be buying it all back soon. Did you know that Hard Rock, the international corporation, is now owned by. . .

The Seminole Indian Tribe of Florida.

And they paid cash.


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[JohnnyJames]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

And they paid cash.


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Indeed. I am, myself, Native American, though I hate that term. I have the papers to prove it, but none of the wealth. I am from Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota. If you saw the movie Dances With Wolves, those are my cousins and family, for real.

I wish we had the dough flowing through some of the other tribe's casinos.

We have a small casino in the Black Hills area. I don't get any money for it, but it has built a hospital, schools, improved some roads. . .and that is good enough for me.

[ridikuloz]

sweeet!
8char

[minusonebit]

Nothing new. My grand folks lost a few acres on the border of their farm to the neighbors over something like this. Went to court and all. Funny how the neighbors had a real bad turn of luck after that happened. A barn burned down and one year all the crops failed. The authorities said someone dumped "an awful lot" of RoundUp into a fertilizer sprayer that was then sprayed on all the corn that year.

[wyldworx]

i have aquired lots through squatters rights. You fuckers have no idea what i own from it. hahahahaha

[wyldworx]

i say suck shit. thats what you get for making a law to eradicate aboriginal culture. hahahaha

[crockett]

I would go cowboy on that judges ass and he would be sleeping 6 feet under.

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

The authorities said someone dumped "an awful lot" of RoundUp into a fertilizer sprayer that was then sprayed on all the corn that year.

We have an Adverse Possession law here in the Philippines as well. Occupation time is 30 years, I think. Urban squatting, however, is protected by a law called the Lina law. While purportedly upholding property rights, it requires that the land owner provide relocation assistance to squatters.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by minusonebit

Nothing new. My grand folks lost a few acres on the border of their farm to the neighbors over something like this. Went to court and all. Funny how the neighbors had a real bad turn of luck after that happened. A barn burned down and one year all the crops failed. The authorities said someone dumped "an awful lot" of RoundUp into a fertilizer sprayer that was then sprayed on all the corn that year.

The local sheriff couldn't find the 1,900 empty spray bottles in granpa's barn?



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[xmas13]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[Cash]

Wild West?

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Originally Posted by Cash

Wild West?

A lot of states and many countries follow that doctrine. It, I guess, is a way of forcing property owners to manage their properties and not "sleep on their rights."

Still pretty fucked up though

[will76]

Is that the law in all states i believe. I know it is here.

10 years if it is unintentional. If you put a fence up and didn't know it was say 10 feet on the other person's property, after 10 years if no one noticed it or asked you to fix it, it is now your property.

If you know something is not your property and you openly treat it as you own, cut the grass, pay the taxes for it, etc.. for 30 years then it is yours.

[will76]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

easier method. . .

Invade a foreign land, claim it as your own.

Iraq? Nope.

Good ole USA.

Who owned the land before Columbus and posse arrived here?

Think hard. Not many left these days.

Native Americans. Indians (Not from India).

Whole continent, taken freely.

Fuckers got casinos now though, so they will be buying it all back soon. Did you know that Hard Rock, the international corporation, is now owned by. . .

The Seminole Indian Tribe of Florida.

I dont have any sympathy for the indians. Everyone's ancestors were invaded, enslaved, or oppressed at some point in history. Doesn't matter where you came from. Only difference now is that you don't have to abide by a lot of the same laws as us and you got a sweet deal with the casinos.

[Zuss]

I think it's actually a good thing. Why should someone own land without putting any use to it? It's a waste.

[D]

Yeah... someone took some land from my grandparent's estate via similar laws.

Tenants of his, living in a house on an adjacent lot to his house, decided to stop paying rent for the year that my grandfather was sick and dying...and continued to do the same for the period of time that my grandmother met a similar fate.

By the time we had gone through all the paperwork, and figured out what had been going on, they had been living there rent-free long enough for the city to determine that they now owned the land after paying out a small stipend to the estate.

[fuzzylogic]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

Indeed. I am, myself, Native American, though I hate that term.

what descriptor do u prefer?

[fuzzylogic]

Originally Posted by will76

I dont have any sympathy for the indians. Everyone's ancestors were invaded, enslaved, or oppressed at some point in history. Doesn't matter where you came from. Only difference now is that you don't have to abide by a lot of the same laws as us and you got a sweet deal with the casinos.

good for you will. generally speaking, north american natives are a mess. (the few that aren't realize the opportunity$$$ that awaits them) when the jews were kicked out and hunted down they didnt drink, they took over the world instead!

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by SAC

some fucked up shit....sad state when private property rights mean complete shit now

HAHA... "now"?? these are some of the oldest laws on the books, there's nothing new here.

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

HAHA... "now"?? these are some of the oldest laws on the books, there's nothing new here.

You're right, the adverse possession doctrine has been around for a long time.

He might be referring to the US Supreme Court's decision in Kilo vs New London where the Court held that eminent domain can be used by the government to take land from one private individual to benefit another private individual IF the beneficiary's use of the land will result in greater tax proceeds.

[minusonebit]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The local sheriff couldn't find the 1,900 empty spray bottles in granpa's barn?



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Spray bottles? You go down to the local co-op and for about $200 get 2 gallons of super concentrate.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

Indeed. I am, myself, Native American, though I hate that term. I have the papers to prove it, but none of the wealth. I am from Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota. If you saw the movie Dances With Wolves, those are my cousins and family, for real.

I wish we had the dough flowing through some of the other tribe's casinos.

We have a small casino in the Black Hills area. I don't get any money for it, but it has built a hospital, schools, improved some roads. . .and that is good enough for me.

The Black Hills are beautiful! Do you still live there?

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by will76

I dont have any sympathy for the indians. Everyone's ancestors were invaded, enslaved, or oppressed at some point in history. Doesn't matter where you came from. Only difference now is that you don't have to abide by a lot of the same laws as us and you got a sweet deal with the casinos.

A powerful argument.

[DaddyHalbucks]

To get title, you have to do adverse possession for years or decades.

It seems like a risky business plan, and one that would involve massive legal fees.

[JohnnyJames]

Originally Posted by will76

I dont have any sympathy for the indians. Everyone's ancestors were invaded, enslaved, or oppressed at some point in history. Doesn't matter where you came from. Only difference now is that you don't have to abide by a lot of the same laws as us and you got a sweet deal with the casinos.

Indeed. I agree with you on this, though I am Native American. I tire quickly of things like "reparations for slavery" and other similar topics. If we, as a nation or a world, tried to finanically appease every wrong done through history, we would bankrupt the globe to make a few people feel better or just so they could have some "free" money.

No, I don't live in The Black Hills area anymore, but I get back there as often as I can. Not good with images, but here's a neat one. Link below, if it doesn't load:

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http://photobucket.com/mediadetail/?...&pageOffset=19

[Hail To Deez Nuts]

Originally Posted by spacedog

Anyone found trespassing on my land would get shot in the kneecap.
That is if I had any land of course..

Why not get a little money out of it? Just run an ad in the local paper that reads: "Hunt Humans Today!"

Just have people pay you $50 per person to go hunting on your land. Tell them all animals (including human animals) are fair game. You could even set up a little tent and picnic tables where people can park, get something to eat or drink and swap hunting stories. Bonus: Shoot a squatter and receive a free shot of Jack Daniels.

[madfuck]

well thts fucked up....

[JohnnyJames]

Badlands National Park
Black Hills, South Dakota

[Hail To Deez Nuts]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

Indeed. I agree with you on this, though I am Native American.

Are you like 1/8 Native American?

[rapmaster]

I wonder if this applies to land owned by the government as well??

[JohnnyJames]

Originally Posted by Hail To Deez Nuts

Are you like 1/8 Native American?

50%. My dad is full-blood. I grew up on and around the Rosebud Sioux reservation. My entire family are registered members, not the sorta wanna-be's you encounter so often because it is considered "glamourous". Not much glamour on Rosebud. Along with its sister-reservation, Pine Ridge, these are some of the most poverty-stricken places in the world, very much like third world countries in many ways.

My great-grandmother actually lived in a tipi as a child and spoke very little English. My own knowledge of the language has faded over the years. As a kid I was fluent. Not it's mostly gone.

Hoksheila-(hoak-shee-lah)-Boy in Lakota.

I remember a lot more, but have almost no working use of the language.

[Hail To Deez Nuts]

Originally Posted by minusonebit

Nothing new. My grand folks lost a few acres on the border of their farm to the neighbors over something like this. Went to court and all. Funny how the neighbors had a real bad turn of luck after that happened. A barn burned down and one year all the crops failed. The authorities said someone dumped "an awful lot" of RoundUp into a fertilizer sprayer that was then sprayed on all the corn that year.

Grandpa is a drunken wild man!

[Hail To Deez Nuts]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

50%. My dad is full-blood. I grew up on and around the Rosebud Sioux reservation. My entire family are registered members, not the sorta wanna-be's you encounter so often because it is considered "glamourous". Not much glamour on Rosebud. Along with its sister-reservation, Pine Ridge, these are some of the most poverty-stricken places in the world, very much like third world countries in many ways.

My great-grandmother actually lived in a tipi as a child and spoke very little English. My own knowledge of the language has faded over the years. As a kid I was fluent. Not it's mostly gone.

Hoksheila-(hoak-shee-lah)-Boy in Lakota.

I remember a lot more, but have almost no working use of the language.

Shit, I hate to hear that. The Native Americans were totally screwed by the Europeans.

If you are actually 50% then you qualify for financial interest in any gaming on your land. Why would you not want to be a rich mf'er?

[JohnnyJames]

Originally Posted by Hail To Deez Nuts

Shit, I hate to hear that. The Native Americans were totally screwed by the Europeans.

If you are actually 50% then you qualify for financial interest in any gaming on your land. Why would you not want to be a rich mf'er?

The Rosebud tribe does own a casino. I suppose I would get some money out of it, if there was ever an excess of cash.

Being located in South Dakota limits the revenue a bit. It's the middle of nowhere. Casinos in Florida or Connecticut and so on have a much easier time attracting patrons.

For now, all tribal gambling revenue is being used for things like schools, roads, power grids, and other vital infrastructure concerns.

I have an awesome photo of my great-grandmother in native regalia, taken around the 1920's or so. Will see if I can get it scanned in and loaded up somewhere. Fascinating picture.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

We have an Adverse Possession law here in the Philippines as well. Occupation time is 30 years, I think. Urban squatting, however, is protected by a law called the Lina law. While purportedly upholding property rights, it requires that the land owner provide relocation assistance to squatters.

Then you are lucky. If someone squats on your land or IN YOUR home in Mexico for 5 years, They MUST pay taxes for something for the property. getting them off the land will cost you more than ANY OCEANFRONT home or land is worth. And yours does not even need a view for it to cost that.

[Hail To Deez Nuts]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

easier method. . .

Invade a foreign land, claim it as your own.

Iraq? Nope.

Good ole USA.

Who owned the land before Columbus and posse arrived here?

Think hard. Not many left these days.

Native Americans. Indians (Not from India).

Whole continent, taken freely.

Fuckers got casinos now though, so they will be buying it all back soon. Did you know that Hard Rock, the international corporation, is now owned by. . .

The Seminole Indian Tribe of Florida.

Not the ENTIRE continent. Remember, we fucked the Mexicans out of a lot of the West and South West territories. Shit, we still celebrate the time we kicked their asses OUT of Texas with guns and shit.

Now we want to keep those Mexican mofos out of the land we stole from them. Makes a lot of sense to me. Remember the ALAMO!!!

Build a fence. It's ours now biatch! What kind of world are we living in?

[JohnnyJames]

My grandmother:

[The Heron]

It's a simple law that doesn't affect many people. The easiest solution is just to send a letter saying 'hey you are on my property but I'll let you use it" then they can't get control because you are allowing them to use it or some such gibberish. It isn't a bad idea because if you have property that you never look at for however many yearss it is, then what a waste why not let someone else use it for a purpose?

[Hail To Deez Nuts]

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

My grandmother:

No offense, but she is HOT!

You might have started a new niche!

"1800's Native American Hotties!"



Just joshing. She is very beautiful and very dignified looking.

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Here's an epilogue to the story on the first post of this thread: http://dailycamera.com/news/2007/nov...ings-on-drive/

After all the fuzz though, there's probably not much they can do since the Colorado Supreme Court has already ruled on a side issue to all this.

[JohnnyJames]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Here's an epilogue to the story on the first post of this thread: http://dailycamera.com/news/2007/nov...ings-on-drive/

After all the fuzz though, there's probably not much they can do since the Colorado Supreme Court has already ruled on a side issue to all this.

Tragic, but it has been a recognized legal concept for centuries. Good warning for anyone who owns land, whether it be a home, commercial property, whatever.

If you are an absentee owner of rental property or vacant land, I would be doubly careful.