Now what are you vomiting about? :helpme

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Lol ...
 

I think there is a miss understanding... I am not saying give pay content away free... nor am I saying I agree with theft of content of services being offered, but rather indicating Canadian laws regarding file backup and P2P as it stands now in Canada.

I think L-Pink & RawAlex are real mouth pieces who most likely don't have what it takes to be in the porn industry, but must sound like they support it for their sponsors and associates.

I see SmokeyTheBear has come for his signature post or perhaps it is just to play with himself...

SmokeyTheBear and Jimthefriend I hear are close... if you get what I mean... :love2suck

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from the canadian copyright act
http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/info/act-e.html#rid-33554


1) Every person who knowingly

(a) makes for sale or rental an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,

(b) sells or rents out, or by way of trade exposes or offers for sale or rental, an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,

(c) distributes infringing copies of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, either for the purpose of trade or to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,

(d) by way of trade exhibits in public an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, or

(e) imports for sale or rental into Canada any infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists

is guilty of an offence and liable

(f) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both, or

(g) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding one million dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.


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thats for anyone stupid enough to believe this yappo idiot..


this is coming from a guy who called tia ling a scammer because he didnt understand how to cash a money order :1orglaugh

this yappo company must be looking to sink itself quick with this idiot on the ship LOL

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh escape goat to the rescue lol

yes i get $100 every time i post an einstein quote..

you busted me ..

i was trying to win the escape goat, now you have foiled my plans.:mad:

Send in the escape goat and the drama llama! They will solve the problem.

Jump to goat warp 2!

Uh huh... creating torrents for the purpose of "backups" instead of burning DVDs at home or storing a copy of your software on a backup drive?

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smokey i respect your statements on a lot of other issues but you seem to be highlying all the wrong parts of the law

canadian law unlike it use counterpart does not have contributory infringement


the copyright holder must prove both that you are "knowingly" infringing on their copyright and that your actions in and of themselves is "an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright"

Every abuse of fair use in your country has come because of abuse of a claim of contributory infringement.

The fact is when people have misrepresent an infringing act as fair use (ie sharing content they never bought a right too) they have been guilty of either direct infringement or intermediary infringement.

Sure it is a little more difficult to convict someone of a crime under our laws. but fair use rights are not being overly abused in my country so our laws are more balanced.

I suggest you guys start getting better informed about the copyright laws. I know RAW keeps trying to argue that i am just siding with the theives but the reality fair use account for 16.6 % of the Economy. IT is big LEGAL business.

i believe in a fair and balanced protection of copyright that is consistance with the CCIA position on the issue as the authors of the copyright act intented when they placed both exclusive rights and the fair use exemptions in the SAME BILL.

My favorite thought of the week is the idea that torrent sites are all about a totally socialist idea, that everything should be shared without restriction, without money being exchanged, without any of that nasty commercialism and big corporations getting involved.

To download a torrent, you need to go to a website packed full of ads.

When will the "fans" of torrents wake up and realize they are just being used as tools by the torrent sites to make ass loads of money and laugh all the way to the bank, which idiots sit in their mommy's basement ripping the DVDs they just rented from blockbuster?

A large loyal workforce does all the work for free and a few fuckheads in sweden are laughing it up with "champagne wishes and caviar dreams".

And not a single thing in that report suggests for a second any of the so called "fair uses" you claim.

Gideon, JUST FUCK OFF. You are so full of shit your eyes must be brown. Get a life.

Please, go away. Your an idiot.

can you point out where i have ever made that arguement, i object to misrepresenting an infringment as fair use as much as i object to misrepresenting copyright law to exclude fair use. The act of trading content you never purchased a right to0 is and should always be an infringment, people who do so deserve every dollar of fines they get (even 20K+ per song)
but the fair use rights to back up the content and to recover content that you have PURCHASED a right to view should also be protected.

how can i be highlighting the "wrong" parts of the law.

he said copyright doesn't fall under "laws" , i pointed out it did. is this true or false.

do copyrights fall under the law yes or no ?



as far as the legal stuff i think your just trying to convince yourself of something everyone already knows.


People get held legally responsible for violating copyright laws , both in canada and the usa , so i'm not sure exactly what you're trying to argue ..

Can torrent sites and such find legal loopholes to argue what they are doing is right ? probably..

Can the government ignore the loopholes and screw you some way ? most certainly :)


my kids believe in unicorns :winkwink:

i suggest you re-read the report because online backup and recovery was listed as one of the fair uses of copyright material.

eliminate the people who are using torrents to AQUIRE rights to content they have never purchased and that is all swarm is.

You can get rid of those people by simply identifying their ip address and sending a legal letter to the isp.

Those that actually bought the right to the content can prove that they bought such a right and would/could demand that their privacy rights be protected (like i did when lost producers threatened me) those that do not would lose their internet connection.

both fair use and infringment is covered by law (they are defined by an act of law so that is common sense) but i think he is talking in the context of "theft of property" where the possession in the act of distributing is in and of itself enough to justify a conviction (traffiking in stolen goods). I think you are overly simplifying to discredit the entire point he is making because your arguing with someone who is not making the context clear.

your both right it just depends on the context.

jesus christ , no offense but why are people so damn dense.

it was a YES or NO question .. , the answer is less than 4 characters , its not a paragraph.

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lets try this again..

anything but YES or NO , means you are avoiding the question because you can't be honest.:winkwink:

Does copyright fall under the law ?

i will remind you once again what the question is NOT

The question is NOT ,

What other various things do copyright have to do with ?

Are torrents bad ?

What is fair use .. ?

but lets be realistic here , i have already pointed out it does indeed fall under a law , a specific law infact that i posted . so unless you have some sort of proof to the contrary i would say your arguing a losing battle..

http://strategis.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/cp_main-e.html

Also might want to take a quick look at... http://www.templetons.com/brad//copymyths.html

yes AND no

it both it depends on the context

Fair use excludes all of the exclusive rights granted by the act
so when fair use exists for the scope of that "infringing act" the law does not exist
ergo NO
for that part where fair use does not exist (ie where you have never bought a right to the content) the protects of the law do exist
ergo
YES

trying to simplify to a yes or No answer is the same as the "have you stopped beating your wife" question if you have never beaten your wife neither answer is correct.

I think we should just bust knee caps...

Thanks Gerco, my above remark came out a bit wrong, but did bring up some interesting points.

I have already read that some time ago regarding copymyths ... those who publish would refer to the MLA & APA styles of publishing content as a guideline also...

It is interesting to see how by giving examples, that people can twist words around as to discredit another as a personal attack...

There is noticeable differences between Canada and the US on privacy and copyright issues... and there are a great number of people who can't put proper faith in their courts and do some research on the topic at hand.

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thats what i thought , you're too scared to answer the question honestly..

guess i should have remined you the question wasnt about beating your wife..

the question was "does copyright fall under law"

his opinion was no mine was yes , you cant seem to understand the question or something lol

cliffnotes .. trying to argue that copyright laws don't exist is futile.. try another angle, even in canada its called copyright LAW for christ sakes you would have to be a fucking moron to think copyright doesnt fall under a LAW lol were not talking about right or wrong or fair use or unfair use the question was very simple and had nothing related to wife beating or torrent or shim shams or unicorns lol

You are not making threats now are you... I have a lot of favors owed to me by some of the old families and misc groups...

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And the kicker is the word "copyright" only exists because there is copyright law! What's so hard to understand?

You fail to understand a lot don't you? He was commenting about the first post.

Making remarks like that to strangers is a big no no... I don't feel bad if anything happened to a piece of crap that made a threat to me or to my family (extended).

What in the hell is with you Americans uttering threats ?

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He was NOT addressing you. He was commenting about the inital post.

Many on this site have english as a second or third language, nothing to be ashamed of. I can't speak ANY other languages. I asked once if you were understanding something when it seemed out of context. I was rewarded with being called uneducated. You are hard to figure :Oh crap

and you are ignoring the context of the conversation to try to discredit his point

remember he started the conversation in which he made his claim with the statement
ignore that context, which is what you are doing and you are right copyright is part of law

however restrict it to the context of his conversation (the property rights that are the bases for the legal definition of theft) and he is right copyright is not part of law.

story recently.. friend sent me a link.. lost it now. That the RCMP has stopped going after people who d/l and burn music. They say that with the abundance of free software and LEGAL softwares that make you burn/rip/copy stuff to cd/dvd, that it was pointless to go much after these people AND it was not top of the list of priorities cause of such ease to do.

And at same time at the bottom of the aritcle was a comment about a US citizen fined 220 000$ for d/ling an album

will try to hit up friend of mine to see if he still has that aritcle OR if someone else posted it already.. go for it

http://www.lelezard.com/actu/4739/la...-piratage.html

article is in french

You forget that most of the people running torrents are snivingly little kids, little pre-formed communists who have never had to really face the real world. When someone suddenly shows up at their door, they are jerked directly into really. This leads to wetting of pants and shitting of bricks, and the result is what you see.

Again, I am sitting here laughing about people like Gideon and their whole socialist "everyone should share" while he supports a website where a very few people make tons of money off ads and infecting people with toolbars and crap.

Gideon, hint for you: If the torrent people really believed the shit should be free, they would do it for free too. They aren't. Wake up and smell the coffee son. This isn't some test for your grade 8 social sciences, this is the real world, and those fuckers are laughing at you every day and profiting from your stupidity.

I didnt quote the entire conversation. and it doesnt matter , you could talk yourself silly son , copyright will always fall under the law, you can deny it or live with it.




what are you talking about ? how does that make copyright not a law..?

is copyright a law no matter what way you look at it ?

I'll answer that for you because you don't seem to be capable of doing it yourself

YES , in both usa and canada there are laws that deal with copyright.

no matter what way you slice it.:thumbsup

just because you have some lame excuse doesnt mean copyright suddenly stops being a law it just means you have some lame excuse .

You are so right, went to that torrent thing was reading the comments and they are talking about big companies greed. I thought to myself dont they see this all done for profit not for some higher good, the pirate bay guys made enough money to buy a island/country.They are no different then the greedy corporations, they just do it on others productions costs.

They have eliminated production costs, they have eliminated encoding costs, they have eliminated warehousing costs, they have eliminated distribution costs... all being borne by the end users who think they are getting something for nothing. HA.

The torrent world is one of the greediest, slickest, rudest business areas I have ever seen, they are fucking EVERYONE over for money, including their end users.

Sometimes you just gotta get old school on people and do shit the old fashioned way. :thumbsup