Thanks for sharing. It was very moving. I knew there was more to the personna that is on GFY.

Here why BoyAlley....
"In fact, there are over 1,000 federal laws and benefits that exist to help married couples care for and protect one another. "

Why would any government want to discourage the growth of population? Frankly I think that Tax dollars going towards helping families that have had kids is better spent than sending money to "Families" that do not or umm can not have kids. I major contribution is made to the government by having children, and children are a true investment for the government.

Gays want all the benefits of a boy/girl relationship but lack the ability to actually have kids. In otherwards being gay is of no benefit to the whole of the population under a government and thus should not recieve government benefits and options many families that have kids get.

Perhaps some reform in marriage should be in order for the gay community but as far as recieving government assisted programs ought to be a no go.

You are not going to have children, therefore a gay couple needs none of the assistance the government applies to couples that have had children.

That goes right down to a tax free home when a partner dies for example. Many Married couples that have had children truly need those benefits far more than a gay couple that does not have the ability to produce children.

Thus I can see why you hate on "Breeders" so much. Fact is...

You are not a benefit to a growing society that is capable of having children why gays would expect the government to sanction this I got no idea.

Sorry, its sad but true.
Why would you expect the government to provide you benefits when you provide no future investment to it?

Gays are asking for handouts that over reach what families have invested in and what the government has invested in them.

Why do you want to short change families that need government help in having children?

This is not an uninformed or ignorant question.

Gay's want money and a pitty party story may pull the heart strings of many but when it comes to dollars and cent's none of your bullshit holds water.

If you can squirt a child out of your ass I would say hey maybe gays do need these government assisted programs but thus far, it has not happened yet.

Funny how these emo post's by the gay's on the internet come up pulling on heart strings then when the real reason why Gays should not get the help families get comes forward...

Everyone snaps out of sympathy mode right quick and realises soemthing important about marriage. Marriage is an investment made by not only the church which sucks but the government most importantly and the fact is our government provides assisted programs to couples that have invested in the countries future with children.

Real couples need these programs, gays do not.

Hey BA,
Great letter. I loved it and will share if you don't mind with some friends. Don't even bother trying to defend your homosexuality to the small minded few on this board, it is something unfortunately they will never get in their lifetime. Keep doing what you do with your head held high! :thumbsup

I say fuck what other people think...live your life how you want to live it and not how other people want you to live it...

good article btw

whats going on

Yes they are right about Family values...

Stop whining about Conservatives.

btw. it was a good article even though it sounds too much gay :)

What about lesbians? Gay women can have children, and are not excluded from being banned from marrying their female partners. Also, gay couples can and do adopt.

So true! I haven't found a girl I want to marry oh except Nicole from the pussy cat dolls:winkwink:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You should think about dropping out of that persona a little more often. Maybe you're playing up to the audience at hand, it's a good marketing ploy, but at the same time it probably reinforces a stereotype a little too much...allowing people that don't have contact with gays very often to believe in the stereotype over the reality.

The reality is the normalcy of the letter you wrote. I wouldn't mind having that person as a neighbor, friend, and I certainly wouldn't care if they got married or had some form of civil union, whatever.

The BoyAlley persona, yeah, I'd probably not want to live next to that guy, hell you probably wouldn't want to live next to that guy, lol. Again, I realize it's just a persona, but I'm sure that many gfy'ers believe that stereotype is the reality.

So I assume that you believe straight couples who medically cant create a child should loose any government assistance? Obviously there is no chance of having children so no future investment by your own logic, right?

Last I checked "Breeder" was a derogatory term used by homosexuals for heterosexuals. Maybe you should work on yourself before you attempt to change others.

I understand that, but the problem is when you present a caricature, a stereotype on a forum, you can't really expect people to take your outrage on topics seriously (i.e. the wwc thread) because you yourself are propagating a stereotype for your own benefit.

I realize GFY isn't exactly a place to have serious discussion or debate on social issues and they probably should be ignored on the whole because it's a fruitless endeavor.

Anyway though, it was a really nice letter, and if I ever start pushing gay sites I'll hit you up on ICQ...not because of the boyalley persona but because of threads like this that show you're not a brain dead gfy post whore, lol.

wow, that's probably the most ignorant thing I have ever read.

True that

The institution of marriage was founded upon the protection of property.

Throughout the past several hundred years marriage has been redefined many times, and those original property rights have been the only sticking point. It is a fact that marriage will continue to evolve.

I had a gay neighbor at one of my vacation homes. Never had a problem with it.

hmmmmmm....where have I seen this before:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Oh that's right...The Declaration of Independence, what our country was founded on....weird! Hang on...I'm checking online to see where in The Declaration of Independence it says that certain laws shall apply only to those that will financially benefit the government...OH WAIT!!!! I FOUND IT!!! But it's in German and written on a piece of paper signed by Hitler before Nazi Germany fell...oh, and it's also burnt a little since it was found in a concentration camp...MY BAD!

Exactly. That's exactly right.

As you pointed out it reads:
It doesn't read:
So pipe the fuck down already. :winkwink:

Great article.....but....move to the Netherlands.....problem solved :thumbsup

Wow! That is the most ignorant thing you have read???? Did you miss this by "Hateman"

Quote -
"why do you fags keep shoving your gayness into everyones face?

swear to god, its shit like that that makes me want to line you all up and shoot your heads off."
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Or the numerous other ignorant quotes about gays being said here almost everday? Just curious not seeking drama:thumbsup

Boy Alley, thank you for sharing your letter. It is incredibly moving and 100% dead on. Please don't let ignorant people discourage you from making more threads like this.

BA, that was one of the best written items I have ever read about gay rights. Well done.

AlienQ, you are truly an idiot. You mother must be proud. BTW, your entire marriage, child bearing argument is total shit. If there was any merit to it, they never would have outlawed polygamy.

On the Internet, where there is no facial features or body language to help us identify the intended tone of a given conversation, we often use emoticons to help convey the lost meaning.

For instance, if someone was making a boldy silly statement they might include something like a winking emoticon ( :winkwink: ) at the end of such a statement.

Thank you and welcome to the Internets. We hope you enjoy your stay!

nice read.

I sincerely apologize (honestly, I'm not being sarcastic) that I took offense from your statement "So pipe the fuck down already" and your winking emoticon did not register in my mind.

he's on my ignore, and I don't read most of what the other obvious idiots on here write, I only respond to people who are responding to me. So to answer your question. Yes I did miss them.

I support gay marriage. I think everyone should have the right to make such a horrible mistake of getting married.

I totally fucking agree... If straight people can be unhappy everyone should be able to. muahaha

BA- I believe in gay rights and think that marriage should be allowed for ANYONE who is willing to commit themselves to it. Your letter is very well written and I'm glad you got it published. You can be my neighbor anytime.

People who are against other people being able to be happy should :321GFY

:2 cents:

WTF are you really suggesting that the Declaration of Independence doesnt apply to Women?? Well gay men are men, so i assume you support equal rights for gay men, as they are men, just not women? Or are you just talking utter bullshit (more likely).

Dumbest post ive seen here in a very long time :error

Did they actually publish this? Its been my experience lately that the papers don't want to publish anything worth publishing, they'd rather keep on publishing open letters from political campaigns and other assorted bullshit...

You really think anyone is going to read all that on your first post??

Come on.............