if you really think Zango doesn't target mainstream sites, think again.

i didnt know there were so many people that didnt understand what zango was doing. especially professionals like raw alex. Mr Knowitall. haha

the one idiot that seems to think he knows everything about everything doesnt get how zango works. crazy

Good luck dude! I remember seeing some one (I think it was will76) paste a similar post of yours here, from another board, about a month or so ago. I can't believe that it's even remotely difficult to find other program owners to jump on board with this.

a majority of them think they are not affected. i dnt think i was either until i took 5 minutes out of my day and checked out referrer logs on the server. zango has like 3 or 4 other names it uses for the same basic product. anyways, there are a ton of programs out there and on this board thata re affected and they dont even realize it. sad.

Far-L hitme up or post your info so i can contact you. lets get the ball rolling

well, unless they can steal my AdSense ads and direct advertising revenue, I have not much to worry about. I don't sell membership on any of my websites. I am in support of getting them out of business either way.

Sorry - had to run out and get my morning coffee... (remember in Seattle that is the law)

We could certainly try to go for a class action if the attorneys recommend that is the best way to go.

Hit me up timlake AT homegrownvideo Dot com and I will send you contact info.

sent you an email

they can pop up sites over any kind of site.

Dumbass, I know EXACTLY what they are doing. You can't explain yourself worth shit, so it is hard to understand what you are getting upset about. If you could actually form complete thoughts and type them in english, people would understand you better.

If you said "out of all of our visitors, about 4,000 per day have Zango installed. While our conversions rates are typically 1 in 500, none of the zango customers who make it to the join page ever join our sites. I have a feeling that Zango may be popping another sites join page on top of our join page, which steals out joins. I want to find a lawyer so I can get them to stop doing this" - everyone would have understood you.

Don't try to put you shortcomings onto the rest of us. Think before you write.

We're already on suing them for months now, the damn US courts are soooooooooo backed up though we are awaiting a court date still.

Our case is pretty simple, we have trademark on domains of ours they use in their bidding system which we have asked be removed multiple times before. They also, in a matter of speaking, told us 'fuck off you can't do anything to us as you guys are in costa rica'.

Hrm guess they never heard of companies with trademarks and incorporations in multiple countries :upsidedow

nah alex, you are a moron that thinks he knows everything about everything. you knew exactly what i was talking about. what else does zango do you stupid fuck? besides steal joins.

get a life and go away.

thats pretty much the response im getting from them and not being put in this alleged 'exclusion list'. oh, well, more fuel to fight the fire with. fuck em

They did offer to remove our URLs *IF* we purchased advertising with them equivalent to the money they'd lose by dropping our domains :1orglaugh

Blackmail / extortion anyone ?

I'd love to have some old friends in Montreal pay their office there a visit, but they only have sales reps out of there so wouldn't serve any purpose :disgust

Maybe some of the defendants on this page can lend a hand. Some interesting reading in some of those cases

GFY. Beside steal joins?

Hmm.

Let's see. They can pop up on any site at any time on any page. So, example, your 4k traffic could have been from popups on the front of cams with YOUR join page appearing. You didn't specify, so it is hard to tell what the fuck you are talking about.

Seriously dude, you attract more flies with honey than shit. You need to stop with the shit and grow up.

get fucked sig whore.

Pimpdog, contact my office about this and we can talk. [email protected]

thanks. i sent you an email

Loser. Been banned from any other boards lately?

come on fellas lets try and keep the thread sensible, we are all against the same enemy here. fuck zango

Keep us posted on this!

Pimpdogg, why did it take you a full year to finally decide to take action regarding Zango's negative impact on your business? Over a year ago when Will76 brought this issue to the forefront of the adult industry, all you did was belittle him with disparaging comments and pop off in all his threads. If you'd have actually listened to him over a year ago, who knows how much money you would have saved over the last year had you acted quickly.

what he said. Trey is trying to do something good for once. Cut him some slack or at least take the bashing to another thread.

Yeah but that would involving listening to me. It is easier for Trey, Sleazy, and the likes of them to just write me off because I don't agree with what they have to say, and i don't do business with them nor do i own a "program" so they just file my posts away under "troll" because that makes more sense to them.

What finally made Trey get involved with this? I have no idea, but you are right it has been happening to him for years.

You guys should talk to ccbill, even though they were put on the exclusion list I had the impression they were going to do more and not just be satisfied that they were put on the list.

Having an " exclusion list" will be Zango's downfall. Having a list and allowing some people to not be targeted but telling others to fuck off, implies what you are doing is wrong. If it wasn't you wouldn't need a list, or you would honor everyone's request. Can't have it both ways.

no actually. your point?

becuase i just found out they were fucking me. that is why.

i did not have a pc with zango on it, and noone cared to inform us that they were doing this to my company. how else would i know? my sys admin finally put it on his pc and witnessed it for the 1st time yesterday himself and we now have video proof and logs etc. plenty to fuck zango with.

and my lawyer did send zango a letter weeks ago and we are still getting hit by zango.

what i am trying to figure out, is how long they have targeted my company for. i need to asess damages and kind of ahrd to uless i know how long they have been hitting my program for. im gog to guess its been about 2 years?

well lets see.

1;500 ( avg conversion)
4k hits per day avg by zango
1;500 and 4k hits is 8 sales per day.

8 x 365 = 2,920
2920 x 2 years = 5,840
5840 sales x 119 ( avg member worth) = $694,960

now dont go asking me about a member being worth 119 each. im not gonna answer that. this is for this case and i can justify the worth so move on.


these bitches owe me over $700k

atleast that is what i am going to ask for :)

not to nit pick but you dont need to have zango on a windows machine to know, you could check your server logs and see " Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Zango 10.0.370.0)
" etc..

either way, better late than never.

Now you know why I was so pissed a year ago when I started posting about all of this. I know you losing more than me, but I am still losing a nice chunck of change. I hate to have any amount stolen from me regardless.

can someone tell me how to promote Zango?

so why arent you involved in a lawsuit? or are you

the funny thing aobut you, is that you dont have a funny bone in your body.

you are just a useless pile of shit. for real.

go away.

your attempts at being funny is piss poor. bye lard ass :thumbsup

Oh noes a myspace chick on the interwebs called me fat...whatever shall I do?

i've spoken to 3 different attornies and was told since I am the affiliate that there isn't much I can do. I was told I don't have a strong case but the sponsor does. If anything thing they said I have a better case against the sponsor.

Jesus you are a waste of air.

It also shows itself as funwebproducts and many other names - I look at my logs every day and I figure Im losing 50% of my sales I send to sponsors - you would think that the sponsors have smart enough programmers to write a script to make sure the referring WM gets the sale (in the case of the ones that replace the ref id) or prevent the popup overlay on the join page - since there are only so many words they use for the referral urls

how in the world can you blame the sponsor for what zango is doing? zango is poping up joinpages over the soponsors join page. in most cases its not even the same sponsors site but a competitor.

and i find it very hard to beleive you are losing 50% of sales, when less than 3% of our logs show anything zango related

Not blaming sponsors for anything - I was just saying that it would be a pretty easy fix for the sponsor to take care of - as far as the percentages - you have to understand that the word zango isnt the only referring url that does this - there is also spamblockerutility, funwebproducts and hundreds more - they are all the same type of thing and most are run by zango - so just looking for zango isnt the only problem you need to look at to get your percentages.
The other thing I was talking about - popping an ad over your join page is just a small percentage of the problem - the major part for us affiliates is that the zango install will also replace our ref ids with theirs from the get-go - which is why Ive suggested before that some programs may want to take their top 10 affiliates major referring urls (ya know if Pierre sends a sale from one of his sites what urls to look for) and see how many of those ref urls have his ID replaced - I know of one company that has already done this and was able to get rid of some of the scamming WM IDs - but of course this part of it doesnt lose you any money - just your honest affiliates