and following the Constituion and having declaration would also provide clear aims and objectives like we do this, then we leave.

is it any wonder these undeclared wars turn out to be a costly nightmare?

The V.N. conflict wasn't a war.. it was a police action... Made it easier to hear I suppose..

UPDATE

This is now on the front page of Drudgereport.com, ABC, New York Times, Yahoo.com, news.Google.com, etc. (Not newsworthy huh RawAlex??)

well done everyone that contributed!*

*still a few hours left :)

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Paul Raises More Than $3.5 Million

By JIM KUHNHENN ? 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) ? Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, aided by an extraordinary outpouring of Internet support Monday, hauled in more than $3.5 million in 20 hours.

Paul, the Texas congressman with a Libertarian tilt and an out-of-Iraq pitch, entered heady fundraising territory with a surge of Web-based giving tied to the commemoration of Guy Fawkes Day.

Fawkes was a British mercenary who failed in his attempt to kill King James I on Nov. 5, 1605. He also was the model for the protagonist in the movie "V for Vendetta." Paul backers motivated donors on the Internet with mashed-up clips of the film on the online video site YouTube as well as the Guy Fawkes Day refrain: "Remember, remember the 5th of November."

Paul's total deposed Mitt Romney as the single-day fundraising record holder in the Republican presidential field. When it comes to sums amassed in one day, Paul now ranks only behind Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton, who raised nearly $6.2 million on June 30, and Barack Obama.

Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said the effort began independently about two months ago at the hands of Paul's backers. He said Paul picked up on the movement, mentioning in it speeches and interviews.

"It's been kind of building up virally," Benton said.

The $3.5 million, he said, represented online contributions from more than 22,000 donors.

Paul has been lagging in the polls behind Republican front-runners. But he captured national attention at the end of September when he reported raising $5.2 million in three months, putting him fourth among Republican presidential candidates in fundraising for the quarter.

Paul as of Monday had raised $6.3 million since Oct. 1, more than half his goal of $12 million by the end of the year, according to his Web site.

Paul advocates limited government and low taxes like other Republicans, but he stands alone as the only GOP presidential candidate opposed to the Iraq war. He also has opposed Bush administration security measures that he says encroach on civil liberties.

Damn straight.. you cant beat a libertarian.. Democrats and Republicans will try to regulate the net... This thread should be pinned ;)

It's up over 3.8 Million!

Our industry needs Ron Paul

the US needs Ron Paul

if he does even a fraction of what he says he will do we cant go wrong

refreshing thread. i remember what it was like to be young and naive about how the world works... to always think i understood... understood change and thought the future was going to be nothing but butterflies and rainbows.

of course, later i began to understand how the world actually works. how a two party political system works... how many interests there are that actually vote... how corrupt you have to be to get anything done in a corrupt system and that politicians do and say everything upfront to make you believe they are going to change the world... then in the end, they end up being a part of the same sucky system that requires compromise after compromise after compromise to get anything done at all and to do anything even remotely good.

the dream is nice though.

there is definately something to said for being naive. its pleasant.

Bump for Ron Paul

Proof of the power of spam.

You guys must be proud.

Over $4.2 million raised so far today... It's a good day for Dr. Paul.

:thumbsup

You are on crack. Trust me, judging from your previous posts you have no fucking idea how the world works. :1orglaugh.

Okay, so, let's ask the serious question: Ron Paul is a republican, but is pretty much not in line with anything any republican has to say, and more often than not sides with the democrats.

Now, do you honestly think that the important parts of the republican party (such as the religious right, the war mongers, the reagan conservatives, and the bush bullies) will line up behind a guy who is all soft and gooey and spews on about constitutional rights and getting away from the war?

He wouldn't have a huge chance as a democrat, and as a republican he is pretty much the anti-christ. He only gets the knod if between now and january he sells his soul to the hyper conservative wing of the party and agrees that god is good and the good book should tell us what to do, may god bless america.

Did I miss something?

Ok? What's your point? If he gets elected most of the bible bashing war mongers in the republican party will be GONE.

buzzy, the point is that he is trying to get the nomination in a party filled with exactly those people. They are the majority of the party, and thier vote won't be for the guy that pisses on their ideals.

You can't get elected if you don't get selected.

uuhmm....

i guess now you're on crack too?

I reckon.

Hmm, yea that must be why Ron Paul has a main headline on like every single news website right now for his RECORD day... I'm sure they will be talking about it a lot tomorrow.

I love how CNN completely ignored the accomplishments of their efforts

Ron Paul supporters are serious. They have been out on the streets holding signs around here for at least a month already.

But .. why? What is the goal of a Ron Paul supporter? Not much of a chance of winning. Is it to raise awareness of certain issues?

I like many of his libertarian positions but he goes too far for me with banishing the Federal reserve and pulling out of the UN. Not that any of the other candidates are any better.

I think the Federal Reserve should go away why do we have a private bank that controls our money?

and who the fuck wants to be in the UN they want to be able to tax us too!

They dont get it, thats why the right courted all the wackos because thats the only way they could win. Ron Paul is a two trick pony he is against the war and wants to go back to the gold standard but he is kind of fuzzy on the rest. The senior vote is huge and they arent going to vote for someone that could fuck with their social security and Medicare. The good thing would be he just cant order things done if he was president so it would get all tied up and nothing would be done. Bloomberg for President.

The question is what is the alternative? Look at the shocks to the economy in the 1800s after the abolition of the Second Bank of the US.

Recessions have been less shallow and of shorter duration on average with the Federal Reserve in place and post Depression Keynesian economics.

What do you want instead? A Central Bank controlled by congress or the president of the United States? Every president I can remember wanted lower rates even when lower rates were not the best decision for teh economy as a whole.

101 wasted votes.

This video might change your opinion: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

He ended the day with 4.2 million :thumbsup

If Ron Paul gets the nom and is elected you will not have to worry about 2257 anymore. :2 cents:

I like books better.

What's your best recommendation for a book on "the world is secretly controlled by foreign jewish bankers. Why the money supply should be limited by the amount of a pretty gold metal we dig up"?

yeah, because we will be too busy fighting WW3 setoff by the US pulling out of the UN and every other treaty it has ever signed.

It's one of the great thing about wacko candidates, they never have a hope of getting elected so they never have to consider the true ramifications of their policies.

We are already in WW3 because of those treaties. Just because you do not see people being killed does not mean they are not.

Who do you believe would be a better candidate?

lol.. You think the religious right prefer Guliani? Or Mormon Romney? Or fake ass Holywood Thompson?

he is soft and gooey and spews on about constitutional rights and getting away from the war?! lol Well, why dont we wait and see.. constitutional rights and getting away from the war.. yeah, thats so bad.. Republicans all want to go attack Iran, isnt that what they say on Fox News? :rolleyes:

His chance of winning are obviously slim, he is anti-establishment and thats not good if you want to win... but he if wins, to believe that he wont be able to change anything or wont go along with things he doesnt believe in is ridiculous... Ofcourse he ll sometime have to compromise and wont be able to do certain things without approval of congress but you better believe that he ll put an end to the Neocon agenda and there will not be an Iran war.. Amongst many other things..

Btw why dont you tell us which candidate you like? Im sure you are very passionate about a certain someone or else you woudnt be in this thread posting like you do..

I never heard of Ron Paul before, but after this thread and digging around on his website, watching the videos about what he's all about, I was sooo excited, I made a donation :)

What do the producers of the documentary recommend as an alternative to the Federal Reserve? since that is what I posted that you replied to.

Got some friends who are die hard Ron Paul fanatics. Looking forward to seeing how this pans out. Hopefully he doesnt wind up a Ross Perot

lol the irony.. vote for any other candidate other than Ron Paul or maybe Kucinich and there will be WW3.. Dont you hear the war drum yet? You seem to be assuming that Ron Paul is the only Republican that wants out of the UN... I guess they are all wackos uh.. The UN couldnt be more corrupt, the US pick and choose what they like about it and disregard what they dont like.. They werent UN treaties before 1945 and this is not what started the 2 world wars..

this is great, his name recognition is not that good that's why he doesn't do well in national polls (though that is improving with media coverage) but people who DO hear him more often than not warm to his message and ideals

because they know something is very wrong and they want change

And RawAlex, Nixon was elected to end the Vietnam war, Eisenhower was elected to end the Korean War, Republicans have a strong antiwar, non-intervenionist foreign policy tradition and he is offering to take the party back to this tradition

even Bush in 2000 used to talk about a Humble foreign policy and No Nation Building, HA!

No, there are many who say "leave the UN", but very few candidates have come out and said "let's leave the UN" because in the end, having a way for the world to speak, even if it is raised voices over a large room, is still better than the alternatives.

Saying "I will take us out of the UN" is a clear indication that he doesn't understand the implications of such an act. Pre-the UN was the time that we had two world wars. Post UN, what we got was the cold war, which wasn't a war at all because nobody was getting shot or bombed. The existence of the UN is a benefit to almost all. The current battle against Muslim Extremists is in part because they don't have statehood and no way to be held accountable for their actions, in places like the UN.

It's easy to toss out all sorts of nutball ideas when you have no chance of getting elected.

he is not going to fck with their social security he is going to preserve it and will ensure the dollar maintains its value so we dont see all this inflation....

he will give young people the chance to OPT OUT of the system, thus over time the system becomes redundant but he will make sure who are dependent get what they're entitled to because he would save billions on spending overseas

We don't usually agree on much but I agree with you on this.

And even from a more selfish perspective the countries with veto power in the security council are in a great position.

the UN is partly responsible for the mess in Iraq, it was because Bush was enforcing those UN resolutions LOL.....

plus, the whole organization is corrupt as HELL

who funds most of it? US taxpayers, when will you people realize the US government is BROKE and is borrowing billions a day to maintain deficit spending?

if you had to cut your family budget, the UN would be seen as a non-essential item

The war on Drugs is demanded by the people in general. It is a failing war due to the money lost if the war ever won.

You want to end the Security Council or the entire UN? World Health Organization? UNESCO? Industrial Development Organization? Food and Agriculture Organization? Atomic Energy Agency (I can guess on that one)

yes Colin, I would leave immediately if it was up to me, so would Paul I guess or at least stop funding/subsidizing them, it's a disgrace..