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Old 11-04-2007, 01:59 PM   #51
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It's not its own institution, it's a cabinet department that works under the President.

As for whether it's basic economics or not, that's up to your perspective. It was in my freshman Economics class in college though which I assume is fairly basic.
"since the Federal Reserve-induced recession of 1979-1983, every period of economic ?growth? under the monetarist system has been a bank-created bubble."

"In other words, there should be enough cash and credit in circulation to purchase what industry can produce, and for people to obtain what they need for a decent life, without our economy constantly having to go deeper and deeper into the red."

by: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=6401


O and its "Executive Office of the President"... the "President" is a figure head of the office who has powers underneath his or her office as to conduct it's business...


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Old 11-04-2007, 01:59 PM   #52
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Gods not God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt


Jesus Christ is a legend taken from Egypt, the son of the SUN, not the son of God.
But he isn't lol. You've been brainwashed by this zeitgeist crap. You have no evidence or anything, I can tell you have a problem with religion that's fine but it dosen't take away from the fact that Jesus actually existed.
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Western Europe has never been so peaceful since people stopped believing in God.

90% of Americans believe in God and the US Army invaded two countries.
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Western Europe has never been so peaceful since people stopped believing in God.

90% of Americans believe in God and the US Army invaded two countries.
What are you talking about? England is a semi theocracy, The majority in france, germany, austria, luxemburg and croatia are christians.
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But he isn't lol. You've been brainwashed by this zeitgeist crap. You have no evidence or anything, I can tell you have a problem with religion that's fine but it dosen't take away from the fact that Jesus actually existed.
Proof? The Bible?



Of course i have problems with sects, they are illegal in many countries.
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"since the Federal Reserve-induced recession of 1979-1983, every period of economic ?growth? under the monetarist system has been a bank-created bubble."

"In other words, there should be enough cash and credit in circulation to purchase what industry can produce, and for people to obtain what they need for a decent life, without our economy constantly having to go deeper and deeper into the red."

by: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=6401


O and its "Executive Office of the President"... the "President" is a figure head of the office who has powers underneath his or her office as to conduct it's business...

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What does that have to do with the inaccuracies in the Zeitgeist movie? Someone points out errors in it and you start copy and pasting analysis of our economic system from Canadian research groups. Just don't see what the coorelation is here.
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Proof? The Bible?



Of course i have problems with sects, they are illegal in many countries.
No, not the bible. Historians and Scholars.
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Why are US authorities fighting Muslim Fundamentalists and not Christian Fundamentalists?

Christian Fundamentalists are just as dangerous.

For your information, the NSA is spying on peace activists and ecologists, not Christian fundamentalists. My source? Testimonies from former NSA employees.
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Why are US authorities fighting Muslim Fundamentalists and not Christian Fundamentalists?

Christian Fundamentalists are just as dangerous.

For your information, the NSA is spying on peace activists and ecologists, not Christian fundamentalists. My source? Former NSA agents.
What does that have to do with the movie?
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Peace and new energy are a threat to US authorities.
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What does that have to do with the movie?
9/11? Fundamentalism (Religion)? Did you even watch the movie?
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Why are US authorities fighting Muslim Fundamentalists and not Christian Fundamentalists?

Christian Fundamentalists are just as dangerous.

For your information, the NSA is spying on peace activists and ecologists, not Christian fundamentalists. My source? Testimonies from former NSA employees.
Erm, because the USA authorities ARE Christian fundamentalists?
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9/11? Fundamentalism (Religion)? Did you even watch the movie?
But according to the movie, fundamentalism didn't cause 9/11.
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No, not the bible. Historians and Scholars.
Historians and scholars study the Bible and Bible-related books (Talmud...etc).

It's very hard to study something that never existed (the life of Jesus Christ), you know.

Look at this Wikipedia entry manipulated by the Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Earliest known sources

Christian writings, Gospels, Pauline Epistles...etc.

Greco-Roman sources

Romans

Jewish records

Talmud

VERY CREDIBLE SOURCES lol

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Most scholars in the fields of biblical studies and history agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher from Galilee who was regarded as a healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire, and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was sentenced to death by crucifixion. A very small minority argue that Jesus never existed as a historical figure, but was a purely symbolic or mythical figure syncretized from various non-Abrahamic deities and heroes
I would edit and say "most CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM/JEWISH scholars", religious people study religion, they will never claim that they believe in a myth

In Israel, the secular population is a majority but a minority of Yeshiva goers and fanatics decide what can be said or not about Judaism.

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xmas13, like I said earlier. You can believe the thousands of scholars and historians that say he existed in some capacity. Or you can believe a guy who made a YouTube video.
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But according to the movie, fundamentalism didn't cause 9/11.
Sure, Bush is not a fundamentalist, and the CIA not a religious organization, but morons like u, church goers, elected Bush twice, and supported war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You should understand that you have been MANIPULATED and you are still being MANIPULATED.

Israelis and Christian voters are pawns.
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Historians and scholars study the Bible and Bible-related books (Talmud...etc).

It's very hard to study something that never existed (the life of Jesus Christ), you know.

Look at this Wikipedia entry manipulated by the Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Earliest known sources

Christian writings, Gospels, Pauline Epistles...etc.

Greco-Roman sources

Romans

Jewish records

Talmud

VERY CREDIBLE SOURCES lol



I would edit and say "most CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM/JEWISH scholars", religious people study religion, they will never claim that they believe in a myth

In Israel, the secular population is a majority but a minority of Yeshiva goers and fanatics decide what can be said or not about Judaism.

Greek historians and scholars that had no connection with Judaism or Christianity recorded him being alive.
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Sure, Bush is not a fundamentalist, and the CIA not a religious organization, but morons like u, church goers, elected Bush twice, and supported war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You should understand that you have been MANIPULATED and you are still being MANIPULATED.
As I said earlier, I am an Atheist and don't go to Church. I didn't vote for Bush either time, and didn't support the wars.

So you're saying that 9/11 was done for the Christian religion?
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Part 3 of Zeitgeist is worth watching, however the narrator pisses me off.
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xmas13, like I said earlier. You can believe the thousands of scholars and historians that say he existed in some capacity. Or you can believe a guy who made a YouTube video.
Thousands of Islamic, Christian, Jewish scholars/historians?

These guys are garbage. They justified and suppported so many massacres in History, they are 10x more evil than any government.

Christian History began with a deportation, and ended up with the Holocaust. Two thousand years of lies and fraud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rael_and_Judah
In 132 the Bar Kokhba's Revolt began led by Simon bar Kokhba and an independent state in Israel was declared. By 135 this revolt was crushed by Rome. The Romans, seeking to suppress the names "Judaea" and "Jerusalem", reorganized it as part of the province of Syria-Palestine. In order to worsen the humiliation of the defeated Jews, the Latin name Palaestina was chosen for the area.

Who deported Jews, created Palestine and brought Arabs in?

Roman emperors (a.k.a. Christians) in the name of Jesus Christ.

Who kept non-Christians in ghettos, slaughtered, deported for thousands of years in Europe?

European kings (a.ka. Christians) in the name of Jesus Christ.

Why Europeans killed each other for centuries?

In the name of Jesus Christ, religious wars from the UK to Russia, Germany, France....etc.



What happened in Americas when Spanish and English persecuted in their countries fled to the New World?

They butchered all the locals, and brought Africans in.
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You're a conspiracy nut.
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It's REAL History.
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Thousands of Islamic, Christian, Jewish scholars/historians?
Like I said, many of these historians have NO RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION. In fact, there is a huge growing of atheist scholars producing papers on the history of religion.

Your source on the other hand is a YouTube video by a guy who fucked up basic Egyptian facts.
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You believe in Jewish Conspiracy and in Jesus Christ.

What a coincidence.
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It's REAL History.
To some nobodies wearing tin foil hats.
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It's REAL History.
No, you're talking out your ass.
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You believe in Jewish Conspiracy and in Jesus Christ.

What a coincidence.

Jewish conspiracy? What are you talking about?

And because I know for a fact jesus existed it means I believe in him? Damn, I'd hate to live in a world where logic existed
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Like I said, many of these historians have NO RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION. In fact, there is a huge growing of atheist scholars producing papers on the history of religion.

Your source on the other hand is a YouTube video by a guy who fucked up basic Egyptian facts.
No religious affiliation Did you read Wikipedia entry? There is nothing in it.

I study REAL History as a passion, and i can tell you that this entry is ridiculous.
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No religious affiliation Did you read Wikipedia entry? There is nothing in it.

I study REAL History as a passion, and i can tell you that this entry is ridiculous.
You don't study real history. You copy and paste stuff from conspiracy forums.
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Even Islamic scholars who write on Wikipedia about their Muhammad are more convincing. It says a lot about the accuracy of Christian Wikipedia entries.
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everybody should see this movie. IT certainly is not a bullshit!!
(and it was not made by a random guy who upload it on youtube,lol)
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Yea ok... pocketkangaroo... lol

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What does that have to do with the inaccuracies in the Zeitgeist movie? Someone points out errors in it and you start copy and pasting analysis of our economic system from Canadian research groups. Just don't see what the coorelation is here.
Lets review... O before we do perhaps you should use a spell checker... you spelled "coorelation" wrong its correlation!

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I'm watching the part on the Federal Reserve. It's not even 5 minutes in and the whole basis for it is completely false. The government doesn't pay interest on money it receives from the Federal Reserve.
Where I went on to disagree with you by saying the following...

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pocketkangaroo yes it does...
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As far as I understand it the US Treasury is its own institution... and no it's not basic economics...
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It's not its own institution, it's a cabinet department that works under the President.

As for whether it's basic economics or not, that's up to your perspective. It was in my freshman Economics class in college though which I assume is fairly basic.
I went on to give an example on how people could have came up with their point of views, however I have seemed to have lost you at this point... also I went on to make a correction that you had made regarding the President...

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"since the Federal Reserve-induced recession of 1979-1983, every period of economic ?growth? under the monetarist system has been a bank-created bubble."

"In other words, there should be enough cash and credit in circulation to purchase what industry can produce, and for people to obtain what they need for a decent life, without our economy constantly having to go deeper and deeper into the red."

by: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=6401

O and its "Executive Office of the President"... the "President" is a figure head of the office who has powers underneath his or her office as to conduct it's business...
So since you have a hard time tracking what I had said... then I will simplify things for you... You had indicated that you thought the Zeitgeist movie had too many inaccuracies and I disagreed and tried to give some proof that what they were saying in the move is true regarding the US Treasury being it's own institution and charging interest...

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What does that have to do with the inaccuracies in the Zeitgeist movie? Someone points out errors in it and you start copy and pasting analysis of our economic system from Canadian research groups. Just don't see what the coorelation is here.
Then you went on to remark that you did not like how the Canadians research groups report things on the economic system of the US and that you could not find a correlation with the two examples that were given... and then continue to say you could not follow and that you did not see... hmmm a "coorelation" and thats where I correct your spelling mistake seen up top...


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I dont belive anything of it.
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Another nutjob who wants to feel superior after watching a shitty YouTube movie by thinking he's discovered some wacky conspiracy that us common people just can't fathom.

And citing Wiki entries gives you an F.
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http://www.pocm.info/ this site isn't bad if you are looking for more information on religion Some of the things in zeitgeist are wrong but this site shows the ones that are hard to say are wrong
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interesting site godabout..... the whole conspiracy (if we can call it conspiracy) is based, as far as I've seen, on facts and real sources, so I think people should ask themselves whether the Bush's admnistration or the system as a whole really fucks us all and tend to get us all under control!!?

That's the real reason I posted link to this informative movie that can open blinded people eyes at least a little.
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