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wonton · 09-18-2002, 09:13 AM

did any of you actually read the articles before making comments?

oh, i thought so, "here is my ill-advised and malformed opinion on you, even though i haven't reviewed your evidence or claims".

unlike massivecock's posts, this guy actually cites his sources. reserve judgement until you actually READ the article.

Pleasurepays · 09-18-2002, 09:25 AM

he cites innacurate and conflicting reports in the media.

so what?

choose any event in modern history and i can do the exact same thing.

UnseenWorld · 09-18-2002, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by ozzymandius
At the risking of further irking people with stuff they don't want to hear, at least consider these NON CONSPIRACY points. By NON CONSPIRACY I simply mean that these points have been reported in the MAINSTREAM press at length and anyone can verify this by doing a quick search of CNN, NYTIMES etc:

- The Bush and Bin Laden families have very close historical ties and up to 9/11 were principal shareholders in The Carlyle Group, a major defense contractors. Daddy Bush visits with the Bin Ladens whenever he visits the royal family in Saudi Arabia

- The current Bush administration stopped the FBI from investigating Osama's relatives who are currently living near CIA HQ in Virginia. Those same FBI agents are currently suing the Bush administration.

- Osama was trained by the CIA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. The CIA built the very cave complexes that he supposedly hid in up until last year. He was a CIA asset at least until the late 1980s. As the saying goes, "once in the CIA, always in the CIA".

- The hijackers trained at flight schools in Florida with CIA ties. At least one of the highjackers trained at a US navel air station.

- The FBI had an informant LIVING with two of the hijackers!!!

- FBI HQ in Washington did everything in their power to prevent FBI field agents from investigating the hijackers prior to 9/11 despite MASSIVE evidence that they were up to no good. One field agent even wrote HQ stating that these guys were probably "going to fly a jet into the WTC".

The above are just six very minor points out of SEVERAL HUNDRED similar points. But the above should be enough to at least get any intelligent person to scratch their head and say, "Well maybe this deserves some closer scrutiny.....".

While these points may be evidence that the Bush's and the government may have let business concerns get in the way and that various agencies fumbled the ball, that is all the evidence implies. To go beyond that and say that George Bush, senior or junior, had some Saudi Arabians fly a jet into the WTC, or intentionally obstructed attempts to prevent it is beyond absurd.

ozzymandius · 09-18-2002, 01:59 PM

Guys!

It is truly amazing how defensive people get on this issue and how quick they are to sweep this entire website away as "innaccurate reporting" by quickly skimming it and picking out a few headlines or trivial quotes.

The site is NOT a respository of innacurate reporting. NONE of the articles have ever been retracted by any source for being innacurate.

Furthermore, the site is NOT merely a timeline of one specific day (9/11) as some people were quick to assume but rather gives a timeline of the entire terrorist threat going back to the 1970s. The entire historical record is laid out for all to read and anyone who gave it a serious read would take at least a few months to go through it all.

theking · 09-18-2002, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by ozzymandius
Guys!

It is truly amazing how defensive people get on this issue and how quick they are to sweep this entire website away as "innaccurate reporting" by quickly skimming it and picking out a few headlines or trivial quotes.

The site is NOT a respository of innacurate reporting. NONE of the articles have ever been retracted by any source for being innacurate.

Furthermore, the site is NOT merely a timeline of one specific day (9/11) as some people were quick to assume but rather gives a timeline of the entire terrorist threat going back to the 1970s. The entire historical record is laid out for all to read and anyone who gave it a serious read would take at least a few months to go through it all.

If people have paid attention, they already know most of what is on the site, as most of it is old news, thus it does not take months to go through it all.

Massivecock · 09-18-2002, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by theking

If people have paid attention, they already know most of what is on the site, as most of it is old news, thus it does not take months to go through it all.

Whats your point?

theking · 09-18-2002, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Massivecock

Whats your point?

My point was made. ozzymandius stated "...anyone who gave it a serious read would take at least a few months to go through it all. ". That does not apply to anyone, it only applies to those that do not keep themselves informed. Anything else?

Pleasurepays · 09-18-2002, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Anything else?

yep

theking · 09-18-2002, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays

yep

Oooh, you fucking guy. I will get my neighbors dog to bite you now. Fucking guy. CHODA, Choda!!

Pleasurepays · 09-18-2002, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Oooh, you fucking guy. I will get my neighbors dog to bite you now. Fucking guy. CHODA, Choda!!

for your neighbors dog too

theking · 09-18-2002, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays

for your neighbors dog too

You fucking guy. You, you have really got me fucking angry now fucking guy. I'm going to kill you now. No, no no, just kidding. Fuking guy take this

and this

Now fucking guy. What do you think now?

Pleasurepays · 09-18-2002, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by theking

You fucking guy. You, you have really got me fucking angry now fucking guy. I'm going to kill you now. No, no no, just kidding. Fuking guy take this and this and this Now fucking guy. What do you think now?

do you do anything besides killing pixels all day with your bizarre behavior?

PornoDoggy · 09-18-2002, 06:56 PM

Friends don't let friends post drunk ...

theking · 09-18-2002, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays

do you do anything besides killing pixels all day with your bizarre behavior?

Bizzare behavior. I am not Massivecock. I say again I am not Massivecock. Massivecock is the king of bizarre.

What do you do all day besides jacking off to the galleries that you hope will be listed on the Hun's site? Come on fucking guy. Tell me.

Pleasurepays · 09-18-2002, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Bizzare behavior. I am not Massivecock. I say again I am not Massivecock. Massivecock is the king of bizarre. What do you do all day besides jacking off to the galleries that you hope will be listed on the Hun's site? Come on fucking guy. Tell me.

dude... you gotta get up early for school tomorrow. go to bed. or do the special ed. classes start later in the day?

theking · 09-18-2002, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays

dude... you gotta get up early for school tomorrow. go to bed. or do the special ed. classes start later in the day?

Junior, when my motor home gets out of the shop (hopefully tomorrow) I will be away for awhile on business. In the meantime I will play, with or without your permission. Comprende. Now go back to jacking off while admiring the fine work you are doing on those galleries.

Pleasurepays · 09-18-2002, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Junior, when my motor home gets out of the shop (hopefully tomorrow) I will be away for awhile on business. In the meantime I will play, with or without your permission. Comprende. Now go back to jacking off while admiring the fine work you are doing on those galleries.

hate to shatter your world... but that short bus you take to school is not actually a "motorhome".

theking · 09-18-2002, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays

hate to shatter your world... but that short bus you take to school is not actually a "motorhome".

Ok fucking guy. School time is over for you. I am going to get Joe Sixpack's (the aborigine) dingo. He will hurt you. He will bite you in the balls you fucking guy. That will hurt. When Joe Sixpack is finished biting your balls his dingo will bite you on the ass. Fucking guy. Oh your balls and ass are going to hurt so bad. I laugh at you fucking guy

mike503 · 09-19-2002, 02:21 AM

everything on the internet is true.

untitled · 10-06-2002, 04:26 AM

This bothers me...

For the FAA It's standard procedure, followed routinely, to call in the Air Force when radio contact with a commercial passenger jet is lost, or the plane departs from its flight path, or anything along those lines occurs.

Andrews Air Force Base is a huge installation. It's home to Air Force One, the President's plane. It's home base for two combat-ready squadrons of jet interceptors mandated to ensure the safety of the U.S. capital. Andrews is only 15 miles from the Pentagon.

Between 8:50-8:55am flight 77 was hijacked.

At 9:41am flight 77 crashed into the pentagon.

During that time no fighter jets were scrambled from Andrews to protect DC.

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm

Jethro · 10-06-2002, 07:49 AM

If ANY thing that was on this site was true, Then it would be hacked and shut down immediatly.

Has it ever occured to anyone that these sites with "timelines" might be funded by terrorists to cause doubts in Americans minds? Is this much more far fetched then what this site is proposing?

All they try to do is plant a seed of doubt, And watch it grow.

Beware of these sites.

Scootermuze · 10-06-2002, 09:02 AM

Society in this country is, and always will be, basically lazy...
We all want to take the easy roads, buy all of the conveniences that make life even easier, believe the stories that keep us from having to do anything different from our day to day routines, and be sure that we don't make waves that would disturb our wonderful lifestyles.

When we hear stories that may contradict our ways of living, we all too often choose to just say, "oh that's not true!" ..

This makes it possible for us to continue on with our lives and not be burdened with change.

Did JFK and cronies have Marilyn Monroe taken out? Who cares?

Did Ted Kennedy 'accidently' drive his car into Chapaquitic..? "Oops.. I made a wrong turn on a road in an area that I was very familiar with and the gal I was with (who was pregnant) happend to drown and I lived" Wow! that had to have been an accident! Who cares?

Was Johnson involved in Kennedy's murder? Surely not.. even though Kennedy was working on ending the Viet Nam conflict that Johnson, friends, and family were making millions and millions of dollars off of.. Who cares??

Is Bush & company more heavily involved in the 9/11 deal than is on the table? Who cares??

As long as it isn't happening at our own front door we will just continue to laugh it all off as 'conspiracy theory' so that we can carry on with our cush lives and not be burdened with having to believe otherwise.

I would say somethin about all of the kids in this country that are going to bed hungry every night, but fuck that.. it can't be true.. not in the land of the red, white and blue! So let's just send billions o' bucks to other countries so they can pocket most of it and spread a little food around to make it look good.

There may well come the day when we all wake up to oblivion, and I can picture in my mind people saying, "Well gee! How'd that happen?"

Scootermuze · 10-06-2002, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Jethro
If ANY thing that was on this site was true, Then it would be hacked and shut down immediatly.

Has it ever occured to anyone that these sites with "timelines" might be funded by terrorists to cause doubts in Americans minds? Is this much more far fetched then what this site is proposing?

All they try to do is plant a seed of doubt, And watch it grow.

Beware of these sites.

Ya know I was thinkin the same thing as I watch 60 minutes the other night.. They had some FBI guys on there talking about things that could have been done by the former head of the FBI that might have prevented lots of things.

I said to myself, "MAN! the terrorists have snuck in and brainwashed these guys to make them actually believe this stuff so they could cause doubt in American minds!"

Spoonie Luv · 10-06-2002, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
I actually look forward to the day we run out of oil. That would be fantastic. More innovation and less pollution.

AMEN

As fucked up as the American government is, it's still the best in the world.

And as long as there are political and religious nuts to fuck things up, there will be scientists that will adapt and overcome.

wonton · 10-06-2002, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by Jethro
If ANY thing that was on this site was true, Then it would be hacked and shut down immediatly.

Has it ever occured to anyone that these sites with "timelines" might be funded by terrorists to cause doubts in Americans minds? Is this much more far fetched then what this site is proposing?

All they try to do is plant a seed of doubt, And watch it grow.

Beware of these sites.

Uhhhh. ALL of the stuff on that particular site is simply culled from other news sites such as CNN, ABC and MSNBC. All you have to do is spend 30 mins reading it and cross-referencing with those bigger sites. Maybe that's why it hasn't been hacked - because it's all factual and all true.

The American aversion to reading, thinking and questioning is truly amazing....

HeadPimp · 10-06-2002, 11:50 AM

OK... I want to say that it is a great mental excercise to do the whole conspiracy thing. I also find it interesting all the media incaccuracies.. But they do happen.. Different people telling the same story will remember things differently..

BUT! I do think there is a lot about this whole event that we will never know. The media ultimately does have to answer to the FCC so they do what they are told. Did we shoot down the last plane? Probably.. but why shouldn't they? Just not letting anyone know they did it keeps the fuss to a minimum.

If you think there aren't 'black choppers' in Idaho, or little white jets doing laps around the crash zone just means you haven't seen it. Our government does lots of stuff that we don't know about, but it is no big deal.

As for the moon landing that someone mentioned... I am curious why we don't just point a telescope at the moon and go "SEE! There is the mess we made. We landed there!"

Quit being paranoid.. Won't do you anygood in the end any way..

wonton · 10-06-2002, 12:37 PM

The moon-landing thing is retarded. Of course we landed on the moon. The Russians certainly would have announced otherwise to the world in 1969 if we hadn't. They have telescopes in Russia. Wacko conspiracy theories (moon landing) take away from debates on real FUBAR conspiracies (JFK, 9-11).

To continue to flog a dead horse, let me see if this one at least gets someone out there to scratch their head:

Anybody here remember golfer Payne Stewart? In 2000 he was on a Lear Jet that lost contact with ground control. Within 24 MINUTES the pentagon was notified, fighters were on its tail and President Clinton was advised of the situation. And this was all because of a single business jet!

On 9-11 FOUR PASSENGER JETS were HIJACKED on the same morning, an event unlike anything in the history of the entire world. When did fighter jets even take-off? When was Bush even notified?

The timelines of these two separate events speak for themselves.

Does this alone prove a conspiracy? No. But it sure as hell SHOULD disturb people and at least get them to question their own government. Don't just believe what they tell you. Governments lie.

Government = legalized mafia.

Here is a link to a Payne Stewart article to jog your memories:

" The jet took off at 9:19 a.m., bound for Dallas Love Field. Stewart was to play in a tournament this week near Dallas.

For the next 25 minutes, the twin-engine jet climbed normally. Though commercial jets normally fly between 30,000 and 40,000 feet, corporate jets such as the Learjet often fly above them, and Stewart's jet was headed toward its normal cruise range.

But after 9:44, the crew did not respond to radio calls. Within 24 minutes, the Federal Aviation Administration had asked the Air Force for help in tracking the jet.

Two F-15 fighter jets from Tyndall Air Force Base, which already were aloft on a routine training mission, were asked to check the jet. An F-16 and an A-10 from Eglin Air Force Base in Florida then were diverted to follow and "escort" the jet. "

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/...t/stewfs14.htm

09-18-2002, 09:13 AM	#51
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	did any of you actually read the articles before making comments? oh, i thought so, "here is my ill-advised and malformed opinion on you, even though i haven't reviewed your evidence or claims". unlike massivecock's posts, this guy actually cites his sources. reserve judgement until you actually READ the article. Last edited by wonton; 09-18-2002 at 09:15 AM..

09-19-2002, 02:21 AM	#69
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10-06-2002, 12:37 PM	#77
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	The moon-landing thing is retarded. Of course we landed on the moon. The Russians certainly would have announced otherwise to the world in 1969 if we hadn't. They have telescopes in Russia. Wacko conspiracy theories (moon landing) take away from debates on real FUBAR conspiracies (JFK, 9-11). To continue to flog a dead horse, let me see if this one at least gets someone out there to scratch their head: Anybody here remember golfer Payne Stewart? In 2000 he was on a Lear Jet that lost contact with ground control. Within 24 MINUTES the pentagon was notified, fighters were on its tail and President Clinton was advised of the situation. And this was all because of a single business jet! On 9-11 FOUR PASSENGER JETS were HIJACKED on the same morning, an event unlike anything in the history of the entire world. When did fighter jets even take-off? When was Bush even notified? The timelines of these two separate events speak for themselves. Does this alone prove a conspiracy? No. But it sure as hell SHOULD disturb people and at least get them to question their own government. Don't just believe what they tell you. Governments lie. Government = legalized mafia. Here is a link to a Payne Stewart article to jog your memories: " The jet took off at 9:19 a.m., bound for Dallas Love Field. Stewart was to play in a tournament this week near Dallas. For the next 25 minutes, the twin-engine jet climbed normally. Though commercial jets normally fly between 30,000 and 40,000 feet, corporate jets such as the Learjet often fly above them, and Stewart's jet was headed toward its normal cruise range. But after 9:44, the crew did not respond to radio calls. Within 24 minutes, the Federal Aviation Administration had asked the Air Force for help in tracking the jet. Two F-15 fighter jets from Tyndall Air Force Base, which already were aloft on a routine training mission, were asked to check the jet. An F-16 and an A-10 from Eglin Air Force Base in Florida then were diverted to follow and "escort" the jet. " http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/...t/stewfs14.htm Last edited by wonton; 10-06-2002 at 12:40 PM..

09-18-2002, 09:25 AM	#52
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	he cites innacurate and conflicting reports in the media. so what? choose any event in modern history and i can do the exact same thing.

09-18-2002, 01:59 PM	#54
ozzymandius Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 111	Guys! It is truly amazing how defensive people get on this issue and how quick they are to sweep this entire website away as "innaccurate reporting" by quickly skimming it and picking out a few headlines or trivial quotes. The site is NOT a respository of innacurate reporting. NONE of the articles have ever been retracted by any source for being innacurate. Furthermore, the site is NOT merely a timeline of one specific day (9/11) as some people were quick to assume but rather gives a timeline of the entire terrorist threat going back to the 1970s. The entire historical record is laid out for all to read and anyone who gave it a serious read would take at least a few months to go through it all.

09-18-2002, 06:56 PM	#63
PornoDoggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,053	Friends don't let friends post drunk ...

10-06-2002, 04:26 AM	#70
untitled Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 352	This bothers me... For the FAA It's standard procedure, followed routinely, to call in the Air Force when radio contact with a commercial passenger jet is lost, or the plane departs from its flight path, or anything along those lines occurs. Andrews Air Force Base is a huge installation. It's home to Air Force One, the President's plane. It's home base for two combat-ready squadrons of jet interceptors mandated to ensure the safety of the U.S. capital. Andrews is only 15 miles from the Pentagon. Between 8:50-8:55am flight 77 was hijacked. At 9:41am flight 77 crashed into the pentagon. During that time no fighter jets were scrambled from Andrews to protect DC. http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm

10-06-2002, 07:49 AM	#71
Jethro Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 13	If ANY thing that was on this site was true, Then it would be hacked and shut down immediatly. Has it ever occured to anyone that these sites with "timelines" might be funded by terrorists to cause doubts in Americans minds? Is this much more far fetched then what this site is proposing? All they try to do is plant a seed of doubt, And watch it grow. Beware of these sites.

10-06-2002, 09:02 AM	#72
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	Society in this country is, and always will be, basically lazy... We all want to take the easy roads, buy all of the conveniences that make life even easier, believe the stories that keep us from having to do anything different from our day to day routines, and be sure that we don't make waves that would disturb our wonderful lifestyles. When we hear stories that may contradict our ways of living, we all too often choose to just say, "oh that's not true!" .. This makes it possible for us to continue on with our lives and not be burdened with change. Did JFK and cronies have Marilyn Monroe taken out? Who cares? Did Ted Kennedy 'accidently' drive his car into Chapaquitic..? "Oops.. I made a wrong turn on a road in an area that I was very familiar with and the gal I was with (who was pregnant) happend to drown and I lived" Wow! that had to have been an accident! Who cares? Was Johnson involved in Kennedy's murder? Surely not.. even though Kennedy was working on ending the Viet Nam conflict that Johnson, friends, and family were making millions and millions of dollars off of.. Who cares?? Is Bush & company more heavily involved in the 9/11 deal than is on the table? Who cares?? As long as it isn't happening at our own front door we will just continue to laugh it all off as 'conspiracy theory' so that we can carry on with our cush lives and not be burdened with having to believe otherwise. I would say somethin about all of the kids in this country that are going to bed hungry every night, but fuck that.. it can't be true.. not in the land of the red, white and blue! So let's just send billions o' bucks to other countries so they can pocket most of it and spread a little food around to make it look good. There may well come the day when we all wake up to oblivion, and I can picture in my mind people saying, "Well gee! How'd that happen?"

10-06-2002, 11:50 AM	#76
HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	OK... I want to say that it is a great mental excercise to do the whole conspiracy thing. I also find it interesting all the media incaccuracies.. But they do happen.. Different people telling the same story will remember things differently.. BUT! I do think there is a lot about this whole event that we will never know. The media ultimately does have to answer to the FCC so they do what they are told. Did we shoot down the last plane? Probably.. but why shouldn't they? Just not letting anyone know they did it keeps the fuss to a minimum. If you think there aren't 'black choppers' in Idaho, or little white jets doing laps around the crash zone just means you haven't seen it. Our government does lots of stuff that we don't know about, but it is no big deal. As for the moon landing that someone mentioned... I am curious why we don't just point a telescope at the moon and go "SEE! There is the mess we made. We landed there!" Quit being paranoid.. Won't do you anygood in the end any way..