Why Can't the White House Acknowledge the Armenian Genocide?

[CyberAgeGary]

The house passed the bill to Acknowledge this terrible act by Turkey back in 1915. The White House does not want to approve this bill to acknowledge because we use Turkey's Airspace for the figh in Iraq.. That's Bullshit.. Fuck The White House and Bush...

[Shagbunny]

we've been trying to fuck them for 7 years now....

[Shagbunny]

which reminds me when's the next US election exactly?

[G-Rotica]

why does anyone care? It was almost a hundred years ago. get over it.

[CyberAgeGary]

Originally Posted by G-Rotica

why does anyone care? It was almost a hundred years ago. get over it.

You would care to if your grandparents or great aunts, uncles were murdered for no fuckin reason by some fuckin punk ass government... We just want them to admit what they have done.. That's not too much to ask for...

[BradM]

Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

You would care to if your grandparents or great aunts, uncles were murdered for no fuckin reason by some fuckin punk ass government... We just want them to admit what they have done.. That's not too much to ask for...

Gary, what I say is not hate - as I have some good friends in the armenian community.

However, Armenia does nothing for the US. Turkey on the other hand basically opened its borders for any use the US military wants. Therefore Turkey = better ally than Armenia. The US is Imperialist, therefore the interests of the military come first.

The whitehouse doesn't care if it was genocide or not. They just want to continue having unrestricted access to Turkey for the war of terror.

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by G-Rotica

why does anyone care? It was almost a hundred years ago. get over it.

you're an idiot.



Armenia is not going to be granted the acknowledgment of genocide because Bush put us at war with Iraq; a country we should have never been at war with. And now, because of this selfish reason, he refuses to acknowledge the genocide so he dosnt lose turkey as a buddy in the efforts to free Iraq

[OY]

Originally Posted by BradM

Gary, what I say is not hate - as I have some good friends in the armenian community.

However, Armenia does nothing for the US. Turkey on the other hand basically opened its borders for any use the US military wants. Therefore Turkey = better ally than Armenia. The US is Imperialist, therefore the interests of the military come first.

The whitehouse doesn't care if it was genocide or not. They just want to continue having unrestricted access to Turkey for the war of terror.

Relationship with Turkey to stay good or not, it is like Ahmadinejad claiming the Jewish genocide did not take place.

It is plain wrong not to acknowledge it happened and an embarrassment that the Bush government is rejecting it just to "save a relationship" in order to (ab)use Turkey as a deployment place for their (and this is where I think you were right...) WAR OF TERROR.

I really hope the resolution goes all the way through, and if it does and the US/Turkish relationship does indeed goes bad - well, we should pull out of Iraq anyways so maybe it even speeds up the process if Turkey throws us out. That would be a good thing IMHO.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Relationship with Turkey to stay good or not, it is like Ahmadinejad claiming the Jewish genocide did not take place.

It is plain wrong not to acknowledge it happened and an embarrassment that the Bush government is rejecting it just to "save a relationship" in order to (ab)use Turkey as a deployment place for their (and this is where I think you were right...) WAR OF TERROR.

I really hope the resolution goes all the way through, and if it does and the US/Turkish relationship does indeed goes bad - well, we should pull out of Iraq anyways so maybe it even speeds up the process if Turkey throws us out. That would be a good thing IMHO.

I agree 200%.

[jacked]

the reason they don't want to acknowledge the genocide is because it would royally piss the turks off, in turn we'd lose "key" military installations and air space in their country, does it mean it's right not at all but bush and his cronies have to keep that war in iraq going so you know they'll do what they have to do for the time being... god i hate our president

and g-rotica you have some issues you and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are on the same level... cock sucker has the nerve to say "the holocaust never happend"

[Just_Dave]

I should like to see any power in this world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people, whose history is ended, whose wars have been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, whose literature is unread, whose music is unheard and whose prayers are no more answered.Go ahead, destroy Armenia, see if you can do it. Send them from their homes into the desert, let them have neither bread nor water. Burn their homes and churches. Then, see if they will not laugh again, see if they will not sing and pray again. For, when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a new Armenia.

William Saroyan

[potter]

fuck bush in his stupid ass

[CyberAgeGary]

Fuckin Turkey just recalled their ambassador over this approval by the house to acknowledge the Genocide..


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071011/...ey_us_genocide

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Relationship with Turkey to stay good or not, it is like Ahmadinejad claiming the Jewish genocide did not take place.

It is plain wrong not to acknowledge it happened and an embarrassment that the Bush government is rejecting it just to "save a relationship" in order to (ab)use Turkey as a deployment place for their (and this is where I think you were right...) WAR OF TERROR.

I really hope the resolution goes all the way through, and if it does and the US/Turkish relationship does indeed goes bad - well, we should pull out of Iraq anyways so maybe it even speeds up the process if Turkey throws us out. That would be a good thing IMHO.

Incorrect.
The idiot who started this bill in the house should be impeached for stupidity. There is no reason to acknowledge jack shit from 100yrs ago just to make some armeniens feel good and embarrass an ally. Turkey will eventually turn on us and we can acknowledge it then. No need to do it now while they're doing our bidding.

Christ, its geo-politics 101

[12clicks]

but I still love you, my sexy, iphone owning, foreigner.

[ineedafix]

the real reason is that armenian's suck as a culture. they are loud, obnoxious, and when you go to a club they think they are the coolest guys there with their hairy chests and over powering cologne.

living in l.a. you get to see alot of them and they suck. they have horrible taste when it comes to homes. they build mcmansions with large entrance ways and gaudy decorations


how many armenians care about the jewish holocaust? non because they are all anti-semitic

[sortie]

Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

The house passed the bill to Acknowledge this terrible act by Turkey back in 1915. The White House does not want to approve this bill to acknowledge because we use Turkey's Airspace for the figh in Iraq.. That's Bullshit.. Fuck The White House and Bush...

What do you think about any Native American Genocide bill?

Do you think that it is true or not?

[OY]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Incorrect.
The idiot who started this bill in the house should be impeached for stupidity. There is no reason to acknowledge jack shit from 100yrs ago just to make some armeniens feel good and embarrass an ally. Turkey will eventually turn on us and we can acknowledge it then. No need to do it now while they're doing our bidding.

Christ, its geo-politics 101

You are right. While we are at it, lets just forget about the rest of history too, like the current US President seems to have. History, who needs it!

Love you too

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Incorrect.
The idiot who started this bill in the house should be impeached for stupidity. There is no reason to acknowledge jack shit from 100yrs ago just to make some armeniens feel good and embarrass an ally. Turkey will eventually turn on us and we can acknowledge it then. No need to do it now while they're doing our bidding.

Christ, its geo-politics 101

I'll refrain from calling you an idiot even tho you come off as one. You expect an entire country to sit on the back burner until the US is on bad terms with turkey?? Or are done using them in a useless war??? haha, nice one

and just for the record, this will be pushed over BEFORE the hundred year mark because unfortunately there are people like you in government who keep repeating the words "a hundred years ago!" as if it makes it better.

Ps- I suppose the holocaust was accepted "so Jews feel better"

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by Shagbunny

which reminds me when's the next US election exactly?

Someone please remind me too. Jesus this is Bad.

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by ineedafix

the real reason is that armenian's suck as a culture. they are loud, obnoxious, and when you go to a club they think they are the coolest guys there with their hairy chests and over powering cologne.

living in l.a. you get to see alot of them and they suck. they have horrible taste when it comes to homes. they build mcmansions with large entrance ways and gaudy decorations


how many armenians care about the jewish holocaust? non because they are all anti-semitic

the majority of this is true. Some Armenians are loud, hairy, make great money and tend to add some tasteless decors to their homes i.e. gold plated lions lollll

but you're a jackass if your impression of Armenians is what you see at a club. and your last statement is absolutely preposterous. troll

[CyberAgeGary]

Originally Posted by ineedafix

the real reason is that armenian's suck as a culture. they are loud, obnoxious, and when you go to a club they think they are the coolest guys there with their hairy chests and over powering cologne.

living in l.a. you get to see alot of them and they suck. they have horrible taste when it comes to homes. they build mcmansions with large entrance ways and gaudy decorations


how many armenians care about the jewish holocaust? non because they are all anti-semitic

Armenians build mansions because then can. They can afford it. Armenians act cool at the clubs, probably because they, or one of their cousins, brothers, friends owns that club. They wear heavy cologne, because they have so much of it at home, they have to use more.. There are probably more armenians in the adult industry, they any other race other then white..

The U.S.A. should acknowledge the genocide and then we can all move on...

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by ineedafix

how many armenians care about the jewish holocaust? non because they are all anti-semitic

Who are you to say all Armenians are anti semetic and don't care about the holocaust? You're an idiot, and for the record, it wasn't the "jewish" holocaust, there were disabled people, kids, gypsys and old people killed aswell. The jews just like to call it the jewish holocaust because they think they are superior to everyone else and think they are gods "chosen people".

[gaymale]

For the same reason those morons in the white house still think we can win that invasion in Iraq (note we are not at war with Iraq sinc we never declared war).

[DaddyHalbucks]

Because Turkey is a key ally in the war, and they will go ape shit if this resolution passes.

Once again, the Dems are threatening our national security.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Fresh

I'll refrain from calling you an idiot even tho you come off as one. You expect an entire country to sit on the back burner until the US is on bad terms with turkey?? Or are done using them in a useless war??? haha, nice one

and just for the record, this will be pushed over BEFORE the hundred year mark because unfortunately there are people like you in government who keep repeating the words "a hundred years ago!" as if it makes it better.

Ps- I suppose the holocaust was accepted "so Jews feel better"

dear idiot, the armenian genocide was perpetrated by the ottoman empire, not the country of Turkey.
please, next time you'd like to debate me, bring a friend who finished high school so I don't have to dumb it down quite so much.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear idiot, the armenian genocide was perpetrated by the ottoman empire, not the country of Turkey.
please, next time you'd like to debate me, bring a friend who finished high school so I don't have to dumb it down quite so much.

I'm not taking sides here but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_empire

[Theo]

cause they like to kiss muslim ass

ops ally lol

[CyberAgeGary]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear idiot, the armenian genocide was perpetrated by the ottoman empire, not the country of Turkey.
please, next time you'd like to debate me, bring a friend who finished high school so I don't have to dumb it down quite so much.

You got owned...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_empire

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by sortie

I'm not taking sides here but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_empire

good, because taking sides against me never works out well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

""""Armenian Massacre ? was the forcible deportation and massacring[1] of hundreds of thousands to over 1.5 million Armenians during the government of the Young Turks from 1915 to 1917 in the Ottoman Empire.""""

[Donfoolio]

I love how some of you people get so upset over this rubbish. Especially the self righteous bleeding heart pompous types. The bottom line is politics are dirty and based on who has more soap to wash my hands with. If you can't understand that then you have no business even discussing this topic and should stick to watching sesame street with your moron children. The USA will do what is "right" when it suits the USA. Not a second sooner not a second later. I know plenty of black people still waiting on their 40 acres and a mule and plenty of Indians who are still wondering where their mountains went. I would like to own Puerto Rico in the name of the Taínos.... it ain't gonna happen. So please find something more fitting to crusade on or bitch about.... like prices at TGI Fridays or whatever other inane drivel fills your bleeding heart lives.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

good, because taking sides against me never works out well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

""""Armenian Massacre ? was the forcible deportation and massacring[1] of hundreds of thousands to over 1.5 million Armenians during the government of the Young Turks from 1915 to 1917 in the Ottoman Empire.""""

Are you having reading difficulties or something?
You're pwning yourself!

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Donfoolio

like prices at TGI Fridays

Well, if you really think TGI Fridays is going to change it's fucking prices than you are dumber than any bleeding heart I know.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

You got owned...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_empire

silly children and their thoughts on being owned.


please point out the country of turkey on this map of europe on the eve of WWI

I'll wait right here, son.

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear idiot, the armenian genocide was perpetrated by the ottoman empire, not the country of Turkey.
please, next time you'd like to debate me, bring a friend who finished high school so I don't have to dumb it down quite so much.

Originally Posted by sortie

I'm not taking sides here but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_empire

Originally Posted by 12clicks

good, because taking sides against me never works out well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

""""Armenian Massacre ? was the forcible deportation and massacring[1] of hundreds of thousands to over 1.5 million Armenians during the government of the Young Turks from 1915 to 1917 in the Ottoman Empire.""""

I tried to refrain but you have to push it dont you you FUCKIN IDIOT! lollll

that felt a lot better then refraining.

in addition, your initial post had NOTHING to do with the Ottoman Empire. It was just a clueless post and when you get called on it you bring up the Ottoman Empire.

OWNED

stupid dick

[Donfoolio]

Originally Posted by sortie

Well, if you really think TGI Fridays is going to change it's fucking prices than you are dumber than any bleeding heart I know.

Good point ha ha! I never even ate there just popped that off the top of my head really. But I know you understand... because you mentioned the Native American Genocide earlier. It is truly sad that the important things in politics get missed by the brainless masses that are fed their opinions by the idiot box on a daily basis. That is the ruin of this world.

[Fresh]

Oops, double post

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by sortie

Are you having reading difficulties or something?
You're pwning yourself!

why do I suddenly feel like I'm teaching a history class to second graders?

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

silly children and their thoughts on being owned.


please point out the country of turkey on this map of europe on the eve of WWI

I'll wait right here, son.

its amazing how stupid you are

"The Ottoman Empire (1299 to 1922) (Old Ottoman Turkish: دولت عالیه عثمانیه Devlet-i Âliye-yi Osmâniyye, Late Ottoman and Modern Turkish: Osmanlı Devleti or Osmanlı İmparatorluğu, also known as the Turkish Empire or Turkey"

fuckin tard. posting pics, insults and talking like a has been with a chip on his shoulder dosnt prove shit.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do I suddenly feel like I'm teaching a history class to second graders?

Have a good time trying to figure out who the Turks are and where they live.

[BradM]

Why are ANY of you arguing with 12clicks? He has proven to be the single dumbest piece of shit ever. If he messes up, he just insults people until they go away.

Then he feels like he won, even though he made a fool of himself.

Watch, he will quote this with ""
12clicks, you're dumb. So very very very dumb.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Fresh

its amazing how stupid you are

"The Ottoman Empire (1299 to 1922) (Old Ottoman Turkish: ???? ????? ??????? Devlet-i Âliye-yi Osmâniyye, Late Ottoman and Modern Turkish: Osmanl? Devleti or Osmanl? ?mparatorlu?u, also known as the Turkish Empire or Turkey"

fuckin tard. posting pics, insults and talking like a has been with a chip on his shoulder dosnt prove shit.

Translation: I can't find the country of turkey on the map so I'll throw up a bunch of meaninless bullshit.

[ProducerCashDave]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Translation: I can't find the country of turkey on the map so I'll throw up a bunch of meaninless bullshit.

The ottoman empire IS Turkey dumbshit, Ottomans spoke Turkish.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BradM

12clicks, you're dumb. So very very very dumb.

what is it like to be so smart? going from job to job, always getting screwed by the *dumb* bosses. hahaha

how's that chevette working for you? got it running yet?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BadBoy_Dave

The ottoman empire IS Turkey dumbshit, Ottomans spoke Turkish.

so then USSR is Ukrainia?

its so fun playing with under educated kids.

[Just_Dave]

Adolf Hitler
While persuading his associates that a Jewish holocaust would be tolerated by the west stated? "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

Gerald Ford
Addressing the US House of Representatives. "Mr. Speaker, with mixed emotions we mark the 50th anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenian people. In taking notice of the shocking events in 1915, we observe this anniversary with sorrow in recalling the massacres of Armenians and with pride in saluting those brave patriots who survived to fight on the side of freedom during World War I. - Congressional Record, pg. 8890"

Talat Pasha
In a conversation with Dr. Mordtmann of the German Embassy in June 1915? 6/1/1915 - "Turkey is taking advantage of the war in order to thoroughly liquidate (grundlich aufzaumen) its internal foes, i.e., the indigenous Christians, without being thereby disturbed by foreign intervention. What on earth do you want? The question is settled. There are no more Armenians."

Theodore Roosevelt
May 11, 1918, letter to Cleveland Hoadley Dodge 5/11/1918 - ". . . the Armenian massacre was the greatest crime of the war, and the failure to act against Turkey is to condone it . . . the failure to deal radically with the Turkish horror means that all talk of guaranteeing the future peace of the world is mischievous nonsense."

[YAP]

The Turkish republic was "born" in 1923, everything before that was another goverment/empire or whatever you call it. Go find the ottoman rulers and ask them what they did during the war.. Hey and don't forget to ask the armenians what the fuck they did during that war.

[Just_Dave]

Originally Posted by YAP

The Turkish republic was "born" in 1923, everything before that was another goverment/empire or whatever you call it. Go find the ottoman rulers and ask them what they did during the war.. Hey and don't forget to ask the armenians what the fuck they did during that war.

So what did us armenians do during the war

[UniversalPassLorence]

It was discussing watching the House Foreign Affairs Representatives on TV yesterday discussing the Armenian Genocide. 90% plus admit and mentioned there was a Genocide buy the Turkish government as an absolute fact, but they said Turkey is our Allie, and the timing is not correct. Go figure.
Fuckin politicians. Can?t stand them

It has been very frustrating for years and thanks to organizations like ANCA.ORG and the power of people it will be recognized.
The truth will prevail my friend

[YAP]

Originally Posted by Just_Dave

So what did us armenians do during the war

Thats the problem of you morrons, you act like you all were sissy's playing with your barbie dolls during the war and then suddenly people started killing. Ask your grandfather of what he knows and what he did.