Without Dating programs would content theft be less of a problem? - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 10-15-2007, 09:28 AM

The truth is Dating programs fund all the sites that are ripping off content. If Dating sites and Cam sites stopped funding them how would they make money?

It seems to me the fact Dating programs work so closely with most of us there has to be a way for us to come up with a solution together that will help solve this problem.

The biggest contributor to these types of sites is definitely AFF. If they went tits up most of the sites that violate basic copyright laws would have trouble surviving.

What do you guys think?

Pleasurepays · 10-15-2007, 09:56 AM

its not about "dating sites" or "cam sites"... its about companies who want any and all traffic and don't care where it comes from and who they have to fuck over to get it.

its also about an apathetic webmaster community that doesn't do anything, doesn't care, won't defend itself, can't make the right decisions and as a whole, refuses to act in an ethical manner and police itself.

traffic is traffic. if they can't use AFF, they will be sending clicks to etology or somewhere that will take them and business will go on.

Kristian · 10-15-2007, 09:56 AM

I agree, we must find a way to stop these sites being supported. The truth is sites like AFF are genuinely excellent sites. I posted in a thread 30 mins ago and AFF clearly have to improve their reputation. Given their fantastic sites it would be a crime not to do so.

Shap · 10-15-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

its not about "dating sites" or "cam sites"... its about companies who want any and all traffic and don't care where it comes from and who they have to fuck over to get it.

its also about an apathetic webmaster community that doesn't do anything, doesn't care, won't defend itself, can't make the right decisions and as a whole, refuses to act in an ethical manner and police itself.

traffic is traffic. if they can't use AFF, they will be sending clicks to etology or somewhere that will take them and business will go on.

I agree. However most of that traffic will not convert to anything beyond cams and dating sites. That is won't convert enough to pay the bw bills.

Snake Doctor · 10-15-2007, 10:08 AM

It's hard to say. They might find something else to monetize the traffic.

The fact that they're stealing from us in order to generate traffic is the problem. If they had to purchase content or produce their own content their business model would most surely fail.

Going after the advertisers is something we should look into, but it can't be the only bullet in our gun.

Pleasurepays · 10-15-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I agree. However most of that traffic will not convert to anything beyond cams and dating sites. That is won't convert enough to pay the bw bills.

clicks can always be sold though... the site owner doesn't have to send them to an affiliate program and they don't have to convert. there are never a shortage of people buying clicks on torrent sites through ad networks.

however, if people could actually get companies like AFF to stop supporting theft and copyright violations, it would be a huge step. i dont think it would be the one and only nail in the coffin, but it would be a huge step in making it less rewarding.

what about people who just use them for traffic generation? like torrentspy.com/spikedhumor.com for example.

the more i look at this, the more i think it requires some pretty serious US/EU legislation to actually begin to curb it. its nice that people like Far-L talk about suing someone, but its also a little silly and rediculous to think that if Microsoft and major movie studios can't do anything about it, that a small time CA pornographer is going to successfully challenge them. its great that he's trying... god knows he loves a crusade... but starting a losing fight, its going to do more harm than good overall imho.

SykkBoy · 10-15-2007, 10:11 AM

Maybe content will almost become a loss leader and everyone will open cam/dating sites to send the traffic to?

Snake Doctor · 10-15-2007, 10:12 AM

Something else to think about.

Before the proliferation of P2P networks, most software piracy was done via warez websites that advertised porn.
Microsoft didn't sue the porn site sponsors, they went after the infringers directly.

I don't know exactly how relevant that is but I'm sure that Microsoft's army of attorneys looked at every possible angle.

pornguy · 10-15-2007, 10:14 AM

No, but it would be a BIG start. About 3 years ago, I ran an ad in a local paper for models. This guy calls, and the first thing out of my mouth is, " We dont need male models "! He says Yeah, but I have hundreds of thousands of photos of girls that I can sell you.

So, wondering whats up, I meet with him, He gives me a cd, with some samples. But before I even look at the CD, I start asking where he got them. Its simple. he joins a site, and downloads all the photos that he likes.

I left, and tossed the CD. ( broke it in half )

SmokeyTheBear · 10-15-2007, 10:16 AM

im pretty sure the people losing are the same people gaining..

lets take adult.com / playboy etc for example.

almost every playboy/adult.com video or picture set is available on torrent sites that are sponsored by the same exact people who sponsor gfy ( aff )

Now why would a company advertise for a company that pays people to rip them off ?

the only logical conclusion is that playboy owns part of aff .. i can't seem to think of any other reason playboy would lets its product be stolen and reproduced . subscribers steadily decline as aff steadily increases its profits..

hell they wont even say its wrong.. they own one of the largest adult webmaster boards on theinternet , this would be the ideal and easy place to tell us their position on torrents etc. but they have been strangely silent while their advertisers make money from their stolen content

pornguy · 10-15-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

im pretty sure the people losing are the same people gaining..

lets take adult.com / playboy etc for example.

almost every playboy/adult.com video or picture set is available on torrent sites that are sponsored by the same exact people who sponsor gfy ( aff )

Now why would a company advertise for a company that pays people to rip them off ?

the only logical conclusion is that playboy owns part of aff .. i can't seem to think of any other reason playboy would lets its product be stolen and reproduced . subscribers steadily decline as aff steadily increases its profits..

hell they wont even say its wrong.. they own one of the largest adult webmaster boards on theinternet , this would be the ideal and easy place to tell us their position on torrents etc. but they have been strangely silent while their advertisers make money from their stolen content

trying to get another post deleted???

I hate to say, but It could be true.

SomeCreep · 10-15-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

The truth is Dating programs fund all the sites that are ripping off content. If Dating sites and Cam sites stopped funding them how would they make money?

What do you guys think?

I can think of approximately 5 trillion ways in which content thieves could still profit without dating sites. Explain in detail, I will not.

In conclusion, I think content theft sites would still exist, even if dating sites were not funding them, the same way violence and murder would still exist, even in a world devoid of weapons.

CarlosTheGaucho · 10-15-2007, 03:39 PM

Basically it would not have to be only for dating or interactive services, it would have to be absolutely refused by anyone not to ACCEPT traffic generated on stolen content.

The only way how to secure this / hypothetically would be to make this illegal, to put illegal profit made out of traffic generated by copyright infrigment, but not only for the supplier (affiliate / webmaster offering advert space) but also for the advertiser / sponsor program.

That is impossible because the program can not be claimed absolutely responsible for their affiliates, breaking their internal rules (which should be in place).

The other question is how much can you realistically make sharing free content, if we would put all of our content out for free (which would be a lot) and tried to make money on whatever besides that, I am still concerned we would ruin our business and make probably around 10 - 20 k a month.

Maybe it would be way more? who knows but I still believe that the whole potential of the content not only for web but also for further licensing would be lost.

Anyway, back to the topic, seems like it's up to the sponsors and their "good" will to cope with it.

10-15-2007, 09:28 AM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Without Dating programs would content theft be less of a problem? The truth is Dating programs fund all the sites that are ripping off content. If Dating sites and Cam sites stopped funding them how would they make money? It seems to me the fact Dating programs work so closely with most of us there has to be a way for us to come up with a solution together that will help solve this problem. The biggest contributor to these types of sites is definitely AFF. If they went tits up most of the sites that violate basic copyright laws would have trouble surviving. What do you guys think?

10-15-2007, 10:08 AM	#5
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	It's hard to say. They might find something else to monetize the traffic. The fact that they're stealing from us in order to generate traffic is the problem. If they had to purchase content or produce their own content their business model would most surely fail. Going after the advertisers is something we should look into, but it can't be the only bullet in our gun. __________________ sig too big

10-15-2007, 10:11 AM	#7
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10-15-2007, 10:12 AM	#8
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Something else to think about. Before the proliferation of P2P networks, most software piracy was done via warez websites that advertised porn. Microsoft didn't sue the porn site sponsors, they went after the infringers directly. I don't know exactly how relevant that is but I'm sure that Microsoft's army of attorneys looked at every possible angle. __________________ sig too big

10-15-2007, 10:14 AM	#9
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	No, but it would be a BIG start. About 3 years ago, I ran an ad in a local paper for models. This guy calls, and the first thing out of my mouth is, " We dont need male models "! He says Yeah, but I have hundreds of thousands of photos of girls that I can sell you. So, wondering whats up, I meet with him, He gives me a cd, with some samples. But before I even look at the CD, I start asking where he got them. Its simple. he joins a site, and downloads all the photos that he likes. I left, and tossed the CD. ( broke it in half ) __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

10-15-2007, 09:56 AM	#2
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	its not about "dating sites" or "cam sites"... its about companies who want any and all traffic and don't care where it comes from and who they have to fuck over to get it. its also about an apathetic webmaster community that doesn't do anything, doesn't care, won't defend itself, can't make the right decisions and as a whole, refuses to act in an ethical manner and police itself. traffic is traffic. if they can't use AFF, they will be sending clicks to etology or somewhere that will take them and business will go on.

10-15-2007, 09:56 AM	#3
Kristian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,733	I agree, we must find a way to stop these sites being supported. The truth is sites like AFF are genuinely excellent sites. I posted in a thread 30 mins ago and AFF clearly have to improve their reputation. Given their fantastic sites it would be a crime not to do so.

10-15-2007, 10:16 AM	#10
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	im pretty sure the people losing are the same people gaining.. lets take adult.com / playboy etc for example. almost every playboy/adult.com video or picture set is available on torrent sites that are sponsored by the same exact people who sponsor gfy ( aff ) Now why would a company advertise for a company that pays people to rip them off ? the only logical conclusion is that playboy owns part of aff .. i can't seem to think of any other reason playboy would lets its product be stolen and reproduced . subscribers steadily decline as aff steadily increases its profits.. hell they wont even say its wrong.. they own one of the largest adult webmaster boards on theinternet , this would be the ideal and easy place to tell us their position on torrents etc. but they have been strangely silent while their advertisers make money from their stolen content __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

10-15-2007, 03:39 PM	#13
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,512	Basically it would not have to be only for dating or interactive services, it would have to be absolutely refused by anyone not to ACCEPT traffic generated on stolen content. The only way how to secure this / hypothetically would be to make this illegal, to put illegal profit made out of traffic generated by copyright infrigment, but not only for the supplier (affiliate / webmaster offering advert space) but also for the advertiser / sponsor program. That is impossible because the program can not be claimed absolutely responsible for their affiliates, breaking their internal rules (which should be in place). The other question is how much can you realistically make sharing free content, if we would put all of our content out for free (which would be a lot) and tried to make money on whatever besides that, I am still concerned we would ruin our business and make probably around 10 - 20 k a month. Maybe it would be way more? who knows but I still believe that the whole potential of the content not only for web but also for further licensing would be lost. Anyway, back to the topic, seems like it's up to the sponsors and their "good" will to cope with it. __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year? Last edited by CarlosTheGaucho; 10-15-2007 at 03:40 PM..