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DamageX · 10-12-2007, 06:46 PM

Ah and Far-L, I agree with some of the above suggestions, puretna.com is a prime target.

Aussie Rebel · 10-12-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VIPimp

Yea lets add them to the list of scumbags without even contacting them about the issue... Someone just sent me this post, I will look into it and see what that site is all about and which affiliate it is. IF you really care and are not in this just for your sig views, contact me and I can resolve this issue faster.

No offense VIPimp, but I find it alot quicker posting on GFY to get a reponse than emailing programs, every program I have emailed and given them a heads up have never responded.

And posting it on GFY lets everyone else see who's doing what and then we can actually see if something is done about it.

seeric · 10-12-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

The only reason we didn't show up was because Spike, the person best within range to attend easily, had family obligations and could not attend. We would not be opposed to working with your group at all but I would really need a bunch more information about who is involved. For example, we were very strict about companies that were allowed in the Defense Group we formed to fight things like Acacia. Only reputable companies that were willing to go the distance and face discovery and disclosures in the court's public forum were allowed, upstanding folks that had nothing to hide on their tax returns, had good 2257 compliance, etc. - you get the picture.

wasn't a diss, in case my writing skills are abandoning me, in case it came off that way. was just curious if you guys were interested in being a part of something or you prefer to go at something yourself. i remember TD telling me that he couldn't make it.

fatfoo · 10-12-2007, 07:22 PM

damn those guys

OzMan · 10-12-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

...Looks like we can add FreakBucks to the list of scumbags aswell

Add yahoo.com to the list as well

click the top ad with the chick removing her panties or the "bangin" rapper, you might have to refresh a couple times to get it

http://btmon.com/torrent-Porn-Video-0/homegrown

Aussie Rebel · 10-12-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OzMan

Add yahoo.com to the list as well

click the top ad with the chick removing her panties or the "bangin" rapper, you might have to refresh a couple times to get it

http://btmon.com/torrent-Porn-Video-0/homegrown

I didn't find the yahoo one, but saw the AFF and Fling banners

Paul Markham · 10-13-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

except you would be violating their privacy which depending on the country could have statutory damages as high 10k per instance, and actual damages in the millions.

As you say you are branding a person a pervert without a successful win in court.

As I said it would need a lawyer to look at it. Telling people the truth, that they illegally uploaded porn to a Torrent site, it not violating their privacy. It's news worthy. You let the reader make up his own mind on what the person is.

Aussie Rebel · 10-14-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by VIPimp

Yea lets add them to the list of scumbags without even contacting them about the issue... Someone just sent me this post, I will look into it and see what that site is all about and which affiliate it is. IF you really care and are not in this just for your sig views, contact me and I can resolve this issue faster.

I might be wrong but I'm guessing that you must of made your mind up by now seems your banners are still flying on a torrent site above Homegrown Video torrents 1 1/2 days later, so I'll stick by my add to the Scumbag list post earlier.

Mutt · 10-14-2007, 02:53 AM

torrent site I think is a tougher fight than going after a direct download site like Megarotic or a Rapidshare type operation. Those two types are making a killing while actually receiving and hosting/publishing massive amounts of copyright infringed content. the same argument would be put forth that will be put forth by Viacom against YouTube and Google Video - that the DMCA 'safe harbor' provisions has created this mess and YouTube and all the others have exploited it to make billions of dollars at the expense of copyright owners. I hate how slowly the legal system crawls along. My fear is that a judge is going to say in short 'the law is the law - i'm not going to rewrite the law for you - your argument is with Congress - kthnxbye'

Torrent technoglogy is P2P - going after a tracker site like PureTNA or PirateBay is harder - all those sites have on them are torrent files, not the actual content - a tougher concept for a judge or jury to understand and maybe tougher to find in favor of the plaintiffs.

If the courts don't decide in favor of Viacom then the only hope any creator/publisher has is that Congress tears up the DMCA and rewrites it holding all the sleazebags, ISP's, hosting companies, USENET, torrent trackers, search engines, who under the current DMCA have been given 'safe harbor' protection on copyright infringements by their users. And it will still be useless unless the rest of the world adopts the same law.

Don't forget that Google is now by far the biggest torrent tracker site on the planet.

Mutt · 10-14-2007, 02:59 AM

and now that i have looked at the torrent scene and tried it out - it's far less of a threat than the Megarotics, Tube sites, and Rapidshares. Surfers are still pretty dumb, torrents take some know how that a lot of surfers just don't have the brains and patience for - Megarotic and Rapidshares are easy enough for even the slowest mouth breathing moron and Alexa will prove that.

I tried downloading some movies off PureTNA - i think i tried 3 or 4 - one took about an hour and the other ones literally took days to download. If I was a fan of a particular porn site I wouldn't be messing with torrents, I'd join the site. Or head to some well known forums with links to Rapidshare hosted files.

DamageX · 10-14-2007, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

I might be wrong but I'm guessing that you must of made your mind up by now seems your banners are still flying on a torrent site above Homegrown Video torrents 1 1/2 days later, so I'll stick by my add to the Scumbag list post earlier.

Thanks for feeding me more shitlist material.

TheSwed · 10-14-2007, 04:15 AM

I think the only respond you will get from thepiratebay are same as dreamworks received...but good luck

"quote*
It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are ....... morons, and
that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.
"/quote"

http://static.thepiratebay.org/dreamworks_response.txt

d-null · 10-14-2007, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

and now that i have looked at the torrent scene and tried it out - it's far less of a threat than the Megarotics, Tube sites, and Rapidshares. Surfers are still pretty dumb, torrents take some know how that a lot of surfers just don't have the brains and patience for - Megarotic and Rapidshares are easy enough for even the slowest mouth breathing moron and Alexa will prove that.

I tried downloading some movies off PureTNA - i think i tried 3 or 4 - one took about an hour and the other ones literally took days to download. If I was a fan of a particular porn site I wouldn't be messing with torrents, I'd join the site. Or head to some well known forums with links to Rapidshare hosted files.

I agree with you, the forums and tube sites that make it easy for even the absolute newbs to steal tons of content are a growing and bigger problem if left unchecked. Not that torrents should be left alone, but it seems like some major culprits are not being brought to task often enough.

sweetcuties · 10-14-2007, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

I think the only respond you will get from thepiratebay are same as dreamworks received...but good luck

"quote*
It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are ....... morons, and
that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.
"/quote"

http://static.thepiratebay.org/dreamworks_response.txt

Agreed, once the laws in Sweden change... then I feel it's a dead issue. Have you noticed the date in the Dreamworks letter? It was 04 and we're about to hit 08, still their content is on TPB (On Mon, 23 Aug 2004)

I agree with Mutt and what someone else said on page 1... RAPIDSHARE, MEGASHARE, FILE FACTORY and sites like them need to change ASAP! I'll be honest and say they're removed my content asap, however, I don't have the time to track down my content daily, which I'm doing. I spend around 3hrs a day looking for my shit

Gerco · 10-14-2007, 06:06 AM

OK... Question here....

We all know that the woman in Minn lost her case, she was sharing a bunch of music files, entire files, via Kazza or something ... Ok, she was giving out the entire file illegaly to someone else.

But, this is the part that has me thinking about the torrent issue.

1. the Torrent itself is just a pointer/marker... No part of that file is our copyrighted work.

2. no 1 person is delivering the resulting file to you, your getting little pieces of code from various sources. (And resharing those pieces as you get them)

3. The file is worthless, untill it's fully downloaded (This may or maynot be the case but from what I have seen partial downloads result in unreadable garbage)

I guess my point here and main question is who do you go after? I guess you would have to go after the original sharer of the file, as he really is the only person you could PROVE had the entire file and shared it. (Fortunatly finding the original uploader should be simple enough as these guys tend to "tag" the files they share.

Going after the original uploader of a file to rapidshit/megaupload would seem to be a better battle, nailing them for ever instance of the files being downloaded. At least the entire file is actually there and being shared.

Or Going After one of the other "tube" sites where the file actually is there and being shared.

shed some more light on this for me...

Aussie Rebel · 10-14-2007, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

and now that i have looked at the torrent scene and tried it out - it's far less of a threat than the Megarotics, Tube sites, and Rapidshares. Surfers are still pretty dumb, torrents take some know how that a lot of surfers just don't have the brains and patience for - Megarotic and Rapidshares are easy enough for even the slowest mouth breathing moron and Alexa will prove that.

I tried downloading some movies off PureTNA - i think i tried 3 or 4 - one took about an hour and the other ones literally took days to download. If I was a fan of a particular porn site I wouldn't be messing with torrents, I'd join the site. Or head to some well known forums with links to Rapidshare hosted files.

PureTNA also run a tube site http://www.tnaflix.com/

sweetcuties · 10-14-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

PureTNA also run a tube site http://www.tnaflix.com/

thanks for the link... there's nothing like giving away 30 sec movies so people can j/o without paying. What a bunch of dumb asses in our biz

RawAlex · 10-14-2007, 06:25 PM

puretna would be a great place to start, with a side order of sending DMCAs to all the sponsors on those pages as well. There are some serious fucking roaches in our business.

Aussie Rebel · 10-14-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

There are some serious fucking roaches in our business.

I bet some of them would even pimp there own kids to make a dollar

thonglife · 10-14-2007, 07:32 PM

Aussie Rebel · 10-15-2007, 04:14 PM

Far-L have you decided who to go after first yet?

pr0 · 10-15-2007, 04:31 PM

these guys are really good at hiding....i think you are all wasting your time

could be used to be developing better DRM technology

if you win a lawsuit, what are you expecting to get, some 16yo's honda civic?

fuckingfuck · 10-15-2007, 04:37 PM

I think targeting a few heavy uploaders and downloaders will also be nice, showing that downloading stolen porn through torrent isn't safe.

VIPimp · 10-15-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

No offense VIPimp, but I find it alot quicker posting on GFY to get a reponse than emailing programs, every program I have emailed and given them a heads up have never responded.

And posting it on GFY lets everyone else see who's doing what and then we can actually see if something is done about it.

Yea alot quicker to post on gfy after biz hours because we know that most programs dont check their emails/icqs but rather check gfy all day long.
All you had to do his send me a icq/aim or email which you would have received a reply within hours at the max, with the link to the site and your concerns. You know that the site is pass protected, so why wouldnt you have sent me the link with the affiliate id in it.. not 1 person msgd me with the details of the links or anything, even after my reply in this thread.

Anyway, there should be NO ads/links to FreakBucks on that or anyother file sharing sites like that. FreakBucks does not allow that form of promotion, never has and won't.

Also dont you find it odd that the one company that probably spends the most on producing their own content is advertising on that site right above all their content links? I also notice you have not added them to your "scumbag" list... while you are at it, also add circuit city, ford, dell to that list as I saw their banners flying up there when I checked out the site.

I would appreciate if you remove those screen cap images from your server as well. As those should not be showing there any longer.

For future if anyone see's my links up on such sites, feel free to contact me and the problem will be handled asap.

Back to getting your sig views...

Cory

SiMpLe · 10-15-2007, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

and now that i have looked at the torrent scene and tried it out - it's far less of a threat than the Megarotics, Tube sites, and Rapidshares. Surfers are still pretty dumb, torrents take some know how that a lot of surfers just don't have the brains and patience for - Megarotic and Rapidshares are easy enough for even the slowest mouth breathing moron and Alexa will prove that.

I tried downloading some movies off PureTNA - i think i tried 3 or 4 - one took about an hour and the other ones literally took days to download. If I was a fan of a particular porn site I wouldn't be messing with torrents, I'd join the site. Or head to some well known forums with links to Rapidshare hosted files.

Nailed it - Torrent sites can wait - Rapidshare and Megarotic people

SiMpLe · 10-15-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SiMpLe

Nailed it - Torrent sites can wait - Rapidshare and Megarotic people

One more thing cuz I gota bail - The content is ON thier servers from my above post... Torrent (P2P) have no servers.

Nite

StarkReality · 10-15-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fuckingfuck

I think targeting a few heavy uploaders and downloaders will also be nice, showing that downloading stolen porn through torrent isn't safe.

Yep, the music industry changed to this strategy as well and since nobody wants to be exposed for downloading/uploading porn, the effect should be even better...

But Mutt is right, the huge forums like pornbb.org combined with rapidshare/megaupload are a bigger threat, since there are download managers for these filehosts allowing even non-paying users to download as much as they want at full speed with no waiting time...and it often takes just a few hours from a paysite update till it's available in a "full paysite xyz rip" thread which often offers the whole members area.

TeenCat · 10-15-2007, 05:57 PM

it is not the way. you beat one torrent site, uploaders will move to another. biggest sites are in country where you can do nothing. so whats the deal? lets go and improve security for your products!

d-null · 10-15-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

lets go and improve security for your products!

security will always be breakable, if your customer can view your content, then there will always be a way to copy and share that content

the only solution is to shut down as many thiefs as possible when it comes to forums and sharing hosts, and for torrents or p2p going after a few uploaders will have a huge effect as someone else said

VIPimp · 10-16-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VIPimp

Yea alot quicker to post on gfy after biz hours because we know that most programs dont check their emails/icqs but rather check gfy all day long.
All you had to do his send me a icq/aim or email which you would have received a reply within hours at the max, with the link to the site and your concerns. You know that the site is pass protected, so why wouldnt you have sent me the link with the affiliate id in it.. not 1 person msgd me with the details of the links or anything, even after my reply in this thread.

Anyway, there should be NO ads/links to FreakBucks on that or anyother file sharing sites like that. FreakBucks does not allow that form of promotion, never has and won't.

Also dont you find it odd that the one company that probably spends the most on producing their own content is advertising on that site right above all their content links? I also notice you have not added them to your "scumbag" list... while you are at it, also add circuit city, ford, dell to that list as I saw their banners flying up there when I checked out the site.

I would appreciate if you remove those screen cap images from your server as well. As those should not be showing there any longer.

For future if anyone see's my links up on such sites, feel free to contact me and the problem will be handled asap.

Back to getting your sig views...

Cory

AussieRebel, fyi one of the sponsors on that site is being promoted in the site in your sig, as is another program known for supporting worst sites... so will you be adding that site to your "scumbag list" as well? since they are promoting sponsors that support torrents/file sharing? just wondering.

Dagwolf · 10-16-2007, 04:29 AM

I was going to make a wisecrack but in light of the seriousness of this thread I'll spare everyone...

sweetcuties · 10-16-2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

Yep, the music industry changed to this strategy as well and since nobody wants to be exposed for downloading/uploading porn, the effect should be even better...

But Mutt is right, the huge forums like pornbb.org combined with rapidshare/megaupload are a bigger threat, since there are download managers for these filehosts allowing even non-paying users to download as much as they want at full speed with no waiting time...and it often takes just a few hours from a paysite update till it's available in a "full paysite xyz rip" thread which often offers the whole members area.

Yep

CreatineGuy · 10-16-2007, 07:09 AM

lol... what a stupid ignorant...

u will never ever take the big torrent sites down.. you are a parasite if I compare YOU with those sites..

mininova, isohunt, etc.. you will never ever in your life get close to take down any of those sites..

I bet you 1 million dollars that you will never ever get close to touch those sites.. you are shit in comparison with them, believe me..

that dutch bald dude maybe took down one small shitty torrent site from holland.. and it took him 1 month of work and more stress and hairloss and money to take down 1 small shitty torrent site from holland that was using his shitty content, BUT the big torrent sites are untouchable, believe me... don't waste your time Sir "Far-L"...

God Bless Mininova.

DamageX · 10-16-2007, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CreatineGuy

lol... what a stupid ignorant...

u will never ever take the big torrent sites down.. you are a parasite if I compare YOU with those sites..

mininova, isohunt, etc.. you will never ever in your life get close to take down any of those sites..

I bet you 1 million dollars that you will never ever get close to touch those sites.. you are shit in comparison with them, believe me..

that dutch bald dude maybe took down one small shitty torrent site from holland.. and it took him 1 month of work and more stress and hairloss and money to take down 1 small shitty torrent site from holland that was using his shitty content, BUT the big torrent sites are untouchable, believe me... don't waste your time Sir "Far-L"...

Your stupidity is commendable.

CreatineGuy · 10-16-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Your stupidity is commendable.

Smart input.

Retard.

10-12-2007, 06:46 PM	#51
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Ah and Far-L, I agree with some of the above suggestions, puretna.com is a prime target. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

10-12-2007, 07:22 PM	#54
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10-14-2007, 02:53 AM	#59
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	torrent site I think is a tougher fight than going after a direct download site like Megarotic or a Rapidshare type operation. Those two types are making a killing while actually receiving and hosting/publishing massive amounts of copyright infringed content. the same argument would be put forth that will be put forth by Viacom against YouTube and Google Video - that the DMCA 'safe harbor' provisions has created this mess and YouTube and all the others have exploited it to make billions of dollars at the expense of copyright owners. I hate how slowly the legal system crawls along. My fear is that a judge is going to say in short 'the law is the law - i'm not going to rewrite the law for you - your argument is with Congress - kthnxbye' Torrent technoglogy is P2P - going after a tracker site like PureTNA or PirateBay is harder - all those sites have on them are torrent files, not the actual content - a tougher concept for a judge or jury to understand and maybe tougher to find in favor of the plaintiffs. If the courts don't decide in favor of Viacom then the only hope any creator/publisher has is that Congress tears up the DMCA and rewrites it holding all the sleazebags, ISP's, hosting companies, USENET, torrent trackers, search engines, who under the current DMCA have been given 'safe harbor' protection on copyright infringements by their users. And it will still be useless unless the rest of the world adopts the same law. Don't forget that Google is now by far the biggest torrent tracker site on the planet. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-14-2007, 02:59 AM	#60
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	and now that i have looked at the torrent scene and tried it out - it's far less of a threat than the Megarotics, Tube sites, and Rapidshares. Surfers are still pretty dumb, torrents take some know how that a lot of surfers just don't have the brains and patience for - Megarotic and Rapidshares are easy enough for even the slowest mouth breathing moron and Alexa will prove that. I tried downloading some movies off PureTNA - i think i tried 3 or 4 - one took about an hour and the other ones literally took days to download. If I was a fan of a particular porn site I wouldn't be messing with torrents, I'd join the site. Or head to some well known forums with links to Rapidshare hosted files. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-14-2007, 04:15 AM	#62
TheSwed Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sweden. Posts: 3,483	I think the only respond you will get from thepiratebay are same as dreamworks received...but good luck "quote* It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are ....... morons, and that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons. "/quote" http://static.thepiratebay.org/dreamworks_response.txt __________________ Cheap Viagra and Cialis Erectionpills

10-14-2007, 06:06 AM	#65
Gerco Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,052	OK... Question here.... We all know that the woman in Minn lost her case, she was sharing a bunch of music files, entire files, via Kazza or something ... Ok, she was giving out the entire file illegaly to someone else. But, this is the part that has me thinking about the torrent issue. 1. the Torrent itself is just a pointer/marker... No part of that file is our copyrighted work. 2. no 1 person is delivering the resulting file to you, your getting little pieces of code from various sources. (And resharing those pieces as you get them) 3. The file is worthless, untill it's fully downloaded (This may or maynot be the case but from what I have seen partial downloads result in unreadable garbage) I guess my point here and main question is who do you go after? I guess you would have to go after the original sharer of the file, as he really is the only person you could PROVE had the entire file and shared it. (Fortunatly finding the original uploader should be simple enough as these guys tend to "tag" the files they share. Going after the original uploader of a file to rapidshit/megaupload would seem to be a better battle, nailing them for ever instance of the files being downloaded. At least the entire file is actually there and being shared. Or Going After one of the other "tube" sites where the file actually is there and being shared. shed some more light on this for me... __________________ Http://www.extremehole.com ** CLOSED ** 400 HOURS of exclusive custom extreme content, already on external HD in Raw DV ready to encode. over 150,000 exclusive images and more.

10-14-2007, 06:25 PM	#68
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	puretna would be a great place to start, with a side order of sending DMCAs to all the sponsors on those pages as well. There are some serious fucking roaches in our business.

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10-15-2007, 04:14 PM	#71
Aussie Rebel Blow Me U Geeks Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Maximum Security Posts: 5,108	Far-L have you decided who to go after first yet?

10-15-2007, 04:31 PM	#72
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	these guys are really good at hiding....i think you are all wasting your time could be used to be developing better DRM technology if you win a lawsuit, what are you expecting to get, some 16yo's honda civic? __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

10-15-2007, 04:37 PM	#73
fuckingfuck Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 521	I think targeting a few heavy uploaders and downloaders will also be nice, showing that downloading stolen porn through torrent isn't safe.

10-15-2007, 05:57 PM	#78
TeenCat Too lazy to set a koala Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CZ/EU forever! Posts: 16,139	it is not the way. you beat one torrent site, uploaders will move to another. biggest sites are in country where you can do nothing. so whats the deal? lets go and improve security for your products! __________________ 6bot / Coming again very soon! Svit Zlin Radio 24/7!

10-16-2007, 04:29 AM	#81
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10-16-2007, 07:09 AM	#83
CreatineGuy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: AMERICA (If u didn't know yet, America is a continent, not a country) Posts: 461	lol... what a stupid ignorant... u will never ever take the big torrent sites down.. you are a parasite if I compare YOU with those sites.. mininova, isohunt, etc.. you will never ever in your life get close to take down any of those sites.. I bet you 1 million dollars that you will never ever get close to touch those sites.. you are shit in comparison with them, believe me.. that dutch bald dude maybe took down one small shitty torrent site from holland.. and it took him 1 month of work and more stress and hairloss and money to take down 1 small shitty torrent site from holland that was using his shitty content, BUT the big torrent sites are untouchable, believe me... don't waste your time Sir "Far-L"... God Bless Mininova. Last edited by CreatineGuy; 10-16-2007 at 07:12 AM..