haha i got

how bout this... NOPE, ARMENIANS NEVER KILLED TURKS. THEY HURT THEM, BUT NEVER EVER KILLED THEM.

hows that make you feel?

Should i be one ?? Are all pro genocide fans armenian or married with some armenian or just having anal sex with armenian people ? Can't i just be a non Turkish person who thinks this way ?

You sound like a little faggot hiding behind a fake nick.. That's all.. I should get your ass banned... What company did you work for anyway?

It feels very bad actually, I really thought that you could come up with something better. I realize now I wasted a lot of minutes of my life to a fucking idiot who can't think of a normal answer. :1orglaugh

you could... but i highly doubt you are. Your totally turkish and your constant racism gives modern turks a bad name :2 cents::2 cents:

its 12Clicks! i knew it. He disappears soon as hes owned and this jackass of a nick shows up. But he couldnt resist posting the ":1orglaugh"

no fucko, i said that cus thats exactly how turkey has been responding towards the genocide. just denying it. So... hows it feel?

So, whats your real answer ?

Shouldnt be hard to give a good answer right ? Is it?

YAP, the funny thing is I have turkish friends. Some I see eye to eye with on the topic and some disagree strongly. However none of us see this as a racial issue. or resort to racism in frustration.

Well i have armenian friends too and none of them cry about this issue. They are even sick and tired of people who are licking ass every day to get this genocide thing going. Btw i'm still waiting for your answer.

C'mon give me a good answer.

Your having a meeting with the armenian genocide crew about how to answer that simple question ?

Proven Fact: 1.5 million Armenians slain in Genocide

Not Proven: 500k turks supposedly killed by Armenians


prove it before you keep crying bitch. As far as im concerned, if Armenians did kill turks, it was in self defense.

owned, fuck off

Give me answer for why Turks brutally raped and killed innocent people?

or maybe it coulda been that lil ass armenia trying to take over the entire ottoman empire LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

your stupid

nevermind this cant be 12Clicks. even tho hes delusional he tried a lil. you keep repeating the same shit.

Oh wait....you can't... because there isn't a valid reason

sorry man , my bad, quotation marks may have helped:winkwink:

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Those 1.5 mil. are bullshit, there are even armenian investigators who are telling that the 1.5 mill is way to much.

Here, read a bit, good for your education. http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/index.html

hahahaha, omg this is probably the biggest fucking joke i heard in my whole life. Anyway, thanks for this.

That's Bullshit written by Turkish People... Not Interested.. Now get out of here troll.... What company did you work for anyway?

no, its true. the 500k is bullshit. there are even turks who say so.

wanna keep going?

remember the TURKISH author who was prisoned for writing about the genocide ??

remember how the term genocide was banned from being used by turkish citizens when referring to the armenia??

Remember how theres tons of literature turkey is missing from that era?

o, you dont? how sad!

DID ARMENIAN CASUALTIES AMOUNT TO 1.5 MILLION?

Armenian propagandists claim that as many as 1,5 million Armenians died as the result of so-called "genocide". Like the rest of their claims, this also is imaginary, with the number claimed being increased over years. At first, immediately following the war the Armenians claimed that as many as 600,000 had been killed. Later they raised it to 800,000 and now they talk about 1,5 million and tomorrow they may talk even about three million. The 1918 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica said that 600,000 Armenians had been killed; in its 1968 edition this was raised to 1,5 million.

How many Armenians did die? It is impossible to determine the number exactly, since no complete death records were kept during those years. The only basis on which even an estimate can be made is the actual Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire at the time. Even here figures vary widely, with the Armenians claiming far more than other sources:

Claimed Armenian Population

1.British Annual Register 1917 1.056.000 (1)

2.Patriarch Ormanyan 1.579.000 (2)

3.The Armenian
historian Kevork Aslan 1.800,000 (3)

(In ?Armenia and Armenians?, Aslan states the Armenian population in Anatolia 920.000, in Clicia (Adana, Sis, Maras) 180.000, in the other Ottoman territories 700.000, total 1.800.000)

4.German Priest Johannes Lepsius 1.600.000 (4)

5.Cuinet 1.045.018 (5)

6.The French Yellow Book 1.475.011 (6)

7.The Armenian historian Basmajian 2.280.000 (7)

8.Patriarch Nerses Varjabedyan 1.150.000 (8)

Official Ottoman census statistics are as follows:

The Ottoman Directory of Statistics was founded in 1892. The first director of the branch was Nuri Bey. Between 1892-1897 a Jewish Ottoman, Fethi Franco was appointed for the duty. From 1897 until 1903, an Armenian director was in charge, called Migirdic Shabanyan. Later, Mr. Robert an American was appointed (1903-1908). Between, 1908-1914 Mehmet Behic was the general director. (9)

As it is seen, in a very chaotic period when the Ottoman government was facing with the Armenian Issue on the international arena, the Ottoman Statistics were under the control of foreigners. At this point, the Ottoman statistics should be considered as the most objective documents about the Armenian population living in Ottoman territories.

* Ottoman census statistics for 1893 1.001.465

* Ottoman census statistics for 1906 1.120.748

* Ottoman census statistics for 1914 1.221.850 (10)

An evaluation of the three sources clarifies that, during the First World War, the Armenian population in the Ottoman territories was approximately 1.250.000.

The Armenian population subjected to relocation was 438.758 and 382.148 of these safely reached their new destinations. (11) The number of casualties had occurred as follows: 500 people on the road between Erzurum and Erzincan; 2000 in Meskene, between Urfa and Aleppo and 2000 others on the outskirts of Mardin were massacred in attacks launched by bandits or nomadic Arabs. Another 5000 people were killed in attacks on convoys passing through Dersim. (12) It was understood from these documents that many people had also fallen victim to hunger while on the road. (13) Apart from these, some 25-30 thousand people had lost their lives when struck by fatal diseases such as typhoid and dysentery. (14) In all, an estimated 40 thousand casualties had been registered during relocation.

The remaining 10-16 thousand people were made at stay in provinces they had reached, when the implementation of relocation was brought to an end. For instance, on April 26, 1916, orders were given to provide the return to and the settlement in the province of Konya of those Armenians setting out form the province to new destinations. (15) On the other hand, many other Armenians are believed to have fled to either Russia or to Western countries, including the Unites States.

As a matter of fact, according to the pertinent documents, 50.000 of the Armenian soldiers serving in the Ottoman Army joined the Russian forces, and some other 50.000 Armenian soldiers went to America to be trained in the US Army to fight against the Turkish Army. In fact, the letter of an Armenian called Murad Muradyan- who was an advocate in Elazig later immigrated to America ? shows such information. (16) In the concerned letter, Muradyan mentions that some Armenians were escaped to Russia and America and later 50.000 of those trained soldiers went to Caucassia. As it can be understood from all the concerned documents, many of Armenian subjects of the Ottoman State were scattered through various countries especially to U.S.A. and Russia, before and during the war. For example, Artin Hotomyan who was a tradesman in America sent a letter to the Chieftain of Security on January 19, 1915 and stated that thousands of Armenians migrated to U.S.A. and they were facing with hunger and hardships. (17)

REFERENCE:
Halacoglu, Prof. Dr. Yusuf-; Ermeni Tehcirine Dair Gercekler (1915), TTK Press, Ankara 2001.

FOOTNOTES

1) British Annual Record for 1917

2) Uras, Esat, Tarihte Ermeniler ve Ermeni Meselesi, Istanbul, 1987

3) Aslan, Kevork, Ermenistan ve Ermeniler, Istanbul, 1914.

4) Uras, Esat, a.g.e.

5) Uras, Esat, a.g.e.

6) 1893-1897 Ermeni Iºleri, Paris, 1897 Uras, Esat, a.g.e.

7) Uras, Esat, a.g.e.

8) Uras, Esat, a.g.e.

9) Mazici, Nursen, Belgelerle Uluslar arasi Rekabette Ermeni Sorunu, Istanbul 1987.

10) see Karpat, Kemal, H. Ottoman Population 1830-1914 Demographic and Social Characteristic, The University Of Winsconcin Press, 1985 London.

11) Some figures can be slightly change.

12) Coded telegraphs from governors of Trabzon, Erzurum, Sivas, Diyarbakir, Elazig, Bitlis Maras, Canik, June 26, 1915 (code, number. 54-A/112). Telegraphs from governors of Eregli and Musul (June, 8 1915 coded telegraph sent to Konya province, code, numberr.57/337; Zor province February 3, 1916, code, number.60/219).

13) code, number.57/110.

14) see DH. EUM. 2. branch, numberr.68/81; see. code., number. 57/51.

15) code, number. 63/119.

16) DH. EUM. 2. ªube, nr.2F/14.

17) Bkz. DH. EUM. 2. ªube, nr.2F/94.

it really was a joke dumbass! and since you agree with me, you know for a fact armenia would have NEVER had a chance in front of the ottoman empire. So... WTF happened???

What does it matter if it is written by Turkish people or not, there are a lot of facts (reports by foreign inspectors etc etc etc)

Wtf does it matter for which company i work for? Are you a morron ?

Well the White House doesn't admit any wrong.

Ottoman census statistics for 1914 1.221.850

what about the population of armenians they killed IN ARMENIA?!?!?

whatever man im done with this troll

They got relocated to their new homes.

There was no Armenia till 1918 dumbass. Yeah better get the fuck out.

thanks for the thread Gary, I hope it has brought worthy attention to a serious issue.

Still haven't answered it yet

I think recognition is very different than denying.

I do not think the USA denies the event, but have ya forgotten that the current President could not manage wiping his own ass let alone America?
This guy is wiping his ass with America and laughing the whole time.

So...

Vote Democratic this election year, make sure you are vocal about it, make sure ya talk to people and let's get a President in the office that can do shit right and is able to lead America properly.

ps- YAPs a troll and 12Clicks thinks the holocaust didnt really happen but was acknowledged because we didnt have anything to gain from germany. Right place, right time i guess.

peace

fuck bush !

http://newmexico.indymedia.org/uploa...rgeassfuck.jpg

WTF they raped your mother or what ? Why are you so sure this happened?

What about the 500.000 raped and murdered Turkish people ? How about reading of what i type the whole time and trying to read the info's i give you (can you read?) instead of repeating your question like some kind of a retarded morron.

Well, i couldnt explained better of how much of a morron you are. Thanks for the help, good bye..

I would start a new thread for this.

Why am I so sure this happened? WTF

There are people who survived and saw these things you douchebag. I dont need to read your shit because it's all coming out of your ass.

And Turkish govt till this day still denies they raped and killed innocent Armenians.

hahahaha, wonder which baned troll this clown is.:1orglaugh



ok, I really don't wonder, I just wanted to drop by and rouse the rabble some more.

LOL...the Whitehouse doesn't even recognize it's own mistakes. How are they going to start acknowledge anyone elses?:Oh crap

What's up Jay?

How is everything going man? Long time no see...

Turkey is a fascist country, it will NEVER recognize its crimes because the military junta (called "Young Turks") that committed the massacre is still in power in Turkey in 2007, with Islamists in government.

You are just asking too much. Turkey is busy trying to find a way to raid Iraqi Kurdistan.

Did u know that in the so called Turkish democracy, it's not possible to give a Kurdish name to your children? 15 million of its citizens are Kurdish, not a couple ones.

The Middle East is evil.

You got Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel and your neighbours are Pakistan and Turkey.

Ticking bomb waiting to explode. They will nuke each other, this part of the world is full of shit.

it's none of our biz, why should we let foreign nationals set our policy? that's half the fucking problem we have here in the US. a bunch of asshole coming over and causing problems with other countries that don't fucking concern us,

I believe the only reason Congress did what they did was to fuck up the Iraq war, they can't fuck it up by voting, so they found another way to fuck the President over. I really doubt that they did it because they thought it was the right thing to do.

Very well said...and very true.

It really doesnt matter what new views douchebags have about this situation. This scenario has been studied for decades by professors and historians and more then 85% of the globe recognizes the attrocities commited by the ottoman empire as GENOCIDE. These trolls counteracting the fact need to go get some cereal or fast food to feed their brain. Get some history and knowledge before you argue the truth. Done force the hate!!! I get along with everyone. Im from the getalong gang. But dont fuck with the truth and dont bend proven history.

funny coming from an american ...

Like americans don't stick their noses in other countries affairs ... not ta say just purely invade and destroy ....

BTW, what foreign nationals are setting your policies ??? Bush ? Cheney? Kerry ? Guiliani ? ....

Puhleease...you calling people who can buy and sell you "rabble" when you own these domains and others:

incesterotica.com
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I hope you don't have children.