teenytricia

All they really care about is selling a aff sign up. So what they do is give out lots of free videos.. I mean a lot of free video. Check it out. With this site there is no reason for anyone to pay for any sex video. And for sure they pay for everything with the aff sign ups they get. Do an alexa traffic rank on this domian.. it is no joke they are getting a lot of traffic.

Brad Mitchell

People made the same argument when TGPs and MGPs were first started. I don't think that anyone would say that the proliferation of free porn, especially larger clips and everything uncensored has had a severe impact on sales and conversions.. But the world is a fast moving place, we all either adapt or go out of business. The paramount concern that I see with the proliferation of tube sites is the amount of unlicensed and unauthorized content that is being posted. This is a huge issue for the copyright holders when they don't have a say what is released, where and without being paid for it.

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WarChild

Tubes will probably kill MGPs. Who would want to surf galleries,when you can tube it?

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SomeCreep

Bingo, this is what the big MGP site owners dont want to admit.

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pocketkangaroo

I think they are more likely to kill MGP sites than kill this business. While we can argue that MGPs cost us sales, I'm sure the same can be said for tube sites.

But still, the current state of tube sites doesn't give the surfer a similar option to that of a paysite. Typically videos are grainy and small. Searching for what you want is still difficult, and there are a lot of duplicates and spam propogating the sites. I think the same consumers that choose to wank it to the stuff on MGP are going to be the same that wank it to tube sites. Those that have the money and want to get the best will still sign up for a paysite.

polish_aristocrat

you mean it didn't have an impact?

aren't conversions a few times worse now than 9 years ago

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WarChild

Bingo.

My tube traffic converts better than MGP gallery traffic.

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WarChild

Sometimes I wonder, are you a webmaster at all?

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Drake

Can't stop evolution I guess. The money is still there, it's just going into different pockets. For example, if you're a hosting company would you rather host a large MGP or large Tube site? Large tube site = tons of bandwidth. Large MGP = little bandwidth.

polish_aristocrat

Brad Mitchel said that he doesn't feel that the proliferation of hardcore free porn worsened conversions.

I ask him if he really wanted to say that, and you doubt if I am a webmaster?

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WarChild

I just doubt you're a webmaster, period.

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Brad Mitchell

thanks for bringing that typo to my attention, I meant to say "I don't think that anyone would say that the proliferation of free porn, especially larger clips and everything uncensored has NOT had a severe impact on sales and conversions.."

ie, yeah conversions are a multiple worse! But, we all know that's not just due to the proponderance of free porn but to surfers getting smarter and in most instances more skeptical as I think everyone here was defrauded at least once by fraudulent CC charges, etc and all of the billing that was more deceptive and out of control before Visa (and the billers) put a stop to so much of it.

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Kevsh

Megarotic and others won't kill the business - they will just help redefine it.

Think: A site like that costs money to build, maintain and serve content. So they give some away for free then get you to sign up for a membership for full access. This is not entirely different than pay sites serving up galleries and video clips enticing you to join.

Of course, with tube sites you get a LOT more content - including full clips - free, but in the end they have to make money to stay online.

So unless the law can shut them down, then if you're a pay site owner or program you have a choice: Adapt to the model or (possibly) perish. There are many smart minds in this industry that can come up with ways to work within this model ... some clearly already have.

Pleasurepays

the only thing that will destroy this business is the apathy, rebellious attitude and idiocy of those in it.

a fire can only burn something if you fail to put it out, ignore it or give it fuel to burn.

ultimatebbwdotcom

Who's content are they serving up exactly??? - sure as hell isnt anything they've produced.....thats the difference

wil_I_Am

I just checked out that site.. and please let me know if I'm getting this right. I see that they have a "premium" membership,

http://www.megarotic.com/video/?c=premium

So they are getting people to pay membership prices in order to watch uploaded videos that their members have stolen from other sites?

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sweetcuties

Yea, that's old news... some of the forums are starting to charge now, with ripped content. Gotta love this biz. Look closely, and you'll see major co's sponsoring them. Nothing like fucking us over

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d-null

people keep throwing around this word "ADAPT"...... but what do they mean by it exactly, of course it is obvious that one needs to adapt their methods based on changes, but when they say the word "adapt" it seems to have a condoning type tone to it

"ADAPT" should never have the meaning of dealing with thieves or becoming a thief oneself

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ultimatebbwdotcom

Maybe the "adapt" crowd would be ok with website owners hijacking their traffic and changing their ref codes - seems fair.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Finally 1 guy got it right.

Brad Mitchell. Thanks for explaining to the idiot's how the industry can and will move to Video sites. I been at it for months now trying to drill into these dimwits heads that it is a matter of change.

Thumbs up to Mojo Host!
Piracy will slow down drastically as Piracy on a video site makes the business model faulty altogether. They need money to and piracy on the sites is nothing more than a bandwidth drain that makes hosting pirated content unafforable.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Oh and if anyone has Content from there sites that they would like to put in a video tube site I can gurantee every sample that is played will show your banners with my referral.

I need 2 minute clips or longer.

Lets make some money together.
Hit me up.

MGP's are dead weight at this point.

ICQ: 78943384

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

OH and I will convert them for you to FLA from WMV or MPEG.

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teenytricia

When I go to the megarotic site I see free videos that are as long as 25 minutes and in a pretty big screen format. Yes they try to upsell a premium membership but I bet very little people buy that. Maybe a few and a few will go to the AFF site as well and that is how they are going to make money. Put a link to that mega site on a mgp and the other links on there wont make shit. Anyone who would like to compete head to head with a site like megarotic will probably go out of biz. I wonder if AFF is actually behind that site? Are they? I think your best bet it to get your own traffic and hope that your surfer does not find a site like megarotic. But good luck with that as they are number 56 in alexa ranking.

Klen

You mean download it

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Well my business model is different then thers, frankly I do not think what they got going is better than what I do however they got a shit load of traffic thats for sure. But to each there own.

Again if any of you got sample Video that ya would like in my tube site and would like to get promoted on my platform please contact me.

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TeenCat

this thread is a repost. posted by many users before. please seed more ...

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Common Sense

alienq, i dont get it. every post you make now calls everyone here idiots and nitwits. yet you have been in this industry for longer than most and are broker than most. if you are in this industry as long as you have been and still cant make a living, it is time to get a real job.

Common Sense

alienq, i dont get it. every post you make now calls everyone here idiots and nitwits. yet you have been in this industry for longer than most and are broker than most. if you are in this industry as long as you have been and still cant make a living, it is time to get a real job.

CarlosTheGaucho

Well, that's the advantage and disadvantage of the internet as a medium - on one hand it's an ultimate way how to deliver everything right into the customers home within privacy and without hassle..

on the other hand it's an ultimate way how to get the stolen stuff right in the comfort of your own home within privacy and without hassle..

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Complete Idiot. Move along anon monkey I wonder which Banned fuckhead you are, but really I dont give a shit.

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Dollarmansteve

maybe these sites are a symptom and not a disease. It is obvious that the value of generic porn video is declining, there is much higher value placed in live interaction products: cams, dating, etc.

So, to avoid a 'chicken and the egg' type argument, I'm gonna say that this is a demand driven scenario and not a supply scenario.

In other words, consumer demand (in $$) for boring been-there-done-that porn is relatively low while consumer demand for hot 19 year old chicks getting naked on webcam, or finding some dirty 20 year old slut in your neighbourhood is high.

Just a theory. Don't lynch me.

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tony286

Adapt to what people making money off of content thats not theirs? 25,45 up to 90 min clips are given away for free and its stolen to boot and im going to adapt to that. Adapt is the new term for I have no idea how to deal with this but want to sound proactive. Well from what a little bird told me a big change is gonna come.

Snake Doctor

Some did, but the major differences are that the purpose of TGP and MGP galleries was/is to sell subscriptions to paysites, so giving away 100 pictures or 30 minutes of video on one page was counter productive.....the purpose of the tube sites is to sell memberships to dating sites, sex toys, live cams, etc, so the amount of content given away doesn't matter to them.

Also, on TGP/MGP galleries people are using licensed content that has been paid for by the gallery maker or supplied by a producer in exchange for advertising. Most of the big tube sites are outright stealing content so they can advertise other products.

While I don't really know if we can stop or slow the proliferation of content theft happening on these sites, they can't really hide behind the "they said the same thing about TGP's" argument.

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Snake Doctor

That doesn't give the people selling new products the right to steal the old products in order to get traffic.

Also, if there was no demand for the "been there done that porn" then traffic at these tube sites wouldn't be growing....because "been there done that porn" is all they have to offer, and they monetize the traffic by advertising different products.
But the draw is still the porn movies.

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Snake Doctor

People saying to "adapt" in this scenario are idiots

If I give away free pirated copies of Windows Vista every time you buy a portable flash drive from me...does that mean Microsoft needs to "adapt", or does Microsoft need to find a way to shut me down to protect their intellectual property rights?

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dissipate

holy shit, quit it with the sky is falling bullshit.

if you can't make sales stop blaming it on tube sites, and look at your own fucking incompetency.

xmas13

We are having so many tube owners on this forum, proof that its easier to start an illegal and easy business, hurting legit hard working entrepreneurs, than work hard promoting a legal one.

The only pro tubes are tube site owners.

We WILL NEVER legalize content theft.

Go fuck yourself.

xmas13

BTW megarotic is owned and operated by a convicted criminal!

dissipate

I don't run, nor do i intend to run any tube sites. The fact of the matter is that they're not going anywhere, just like torrents, so stop your fucking bitching.

After Shock Media

teenytricia or I mean Sobe talking about stolen content, does it get more rich.

Upset one of your personalities did not think of it first?

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ultimatebbwdotcom

Only the French give up that easy.

Iron Fist

Can someone explain to me why when I see a TGP "directory" site, listing every FHG from every sponsor in that niche, isn't "stealing" content as well? All im seeing if they are just importing every FHG movie on the site and making it searchable. Big deal really.

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tony286

No FHG has 20 min movie clips

d-null

nicely said

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Kevin Marx

Free Hosted Galleries are populated with marketing materials (content I have deemed appropriate to use to market) rather than complete sets.

If the pictures on an FHG have been removed from the members section to populate the FHG, that would be considered stolen content, but your example is not. The pictures in those are legit.

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Drake

I think the demand for generic porn is as strong as it always has been. Only it's value has declined because it is available freely. The difference with cams and dating is that they can't be 'stolen'. You actually have to register on a dating site if you want to meet people and register on a cam site if you want to see live cams. That type of content can't simply be uploaded and made readily available for everybody.

Drake

Tubes are not comparable to TGPs or MGPs. One provides short samples, the other gets you entire members areas worth of content. I don't think there is any easy way to 'adapt'. But I also don't see tubes going away any time soon.

TheStout

LOL...Does anyone have a link to a music thread in 2001 or a movie thread in 2003? I forget who posted it but I remember it well, "Hoiw many of you have paid for that Adobe Photoshop you are using on your computer right now?". Get used to it because it is not going to slow down.

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Dollarmansteve

The demand for porn is highly elastic (ie price sensitive). At a price point of zero demand approaches infinity.

What I was saying was the the relative demand is weak. For example, people will pay $2.99 per minute to chat with some hot slut on a webcam and spend $200 chatting. But, trying to get $200 out of a consumer to show them DVD porn is difficult. So, the 'tube' sites or whatever you want to call them have recognized this.. using the free porn (which has infinite demand) to push traffic to high-value sites.

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