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RawAlex · 10-06-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Aga

The content on anjalikara.org is exclusive to us from our site http://anjali.uncovered.com Now kill his account please

Yeah right!

Hey Aga... didn't think you would be up so late....

When I saw this content, I was pretty confident it was yours.

Earth to Quick Buck people. You now have a complaint. Please act on it.

bufferover · 10-06-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

1) GFY users account for about 1% of our joins and traffic. I don't really care if you pull sigs or links. Have a field day in the zoo jumping up and down screaming "down with quickbuck"... You guys did a great job with AFF.. boy you taught them a big lesson... i think I saw lars begging for paypal donations in another thread recently (catch the sarcasm cause i'm laying it on thick).

Now this is funny if GFY is not so important why do you promote your stuff here

tony286 · 10-06-2007, 05:54 PM

I think internext should have a pr seminar. I can't believe the serious lack of diplomacy skills some companies have.

RawAlex · 10-06-2007, 05:56 PM

Tony, there appear to be a few people that take the whole "rap star" mentality when it comes to these things. Pissing on the smaller webmasters is some sort of street cred thing, maybe some sort of requirement to be able to send traffic to Lars or something. It's like taking a bullet.

Arrogance is a disease.

dropped9 · 10-06-2007, 06:00 PM

Aussie Rebel · 10-06-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

1) GFY users account for about 1% of our joins and traffic. I don't really care if you pull sigs or links. Have a field day in the zoo jumping up and down screaming "down with quickbuck"... You guys did a great job with AFF.. boy you taught them a big lesson... i think I saw lars begging for paypal donations in another thread recently (catch the sarcasm cause i'm laying it on thick).

I guess after today you won't have to care about the 1% from GFY, But once this hits other boards I'd say you might start caring abit

bufferover · 10-06-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Headless

Nice try

CyberHustler · 10-06-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Quickbuck giving explanations to the peanut gallery won't stop em dude.

Go enjoy the weekend.
The Retards just been on a shit storm attacking anything they can lately.
The explaining just gives them little hardons for the attention.

Ya wont miss any traffic no matter what they say or you say.
These guys dont matter.

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Welcome to two years ago. I mentioned this a long ass time ago, was called an idiot, and was even fucking banned for pointing it out, now ya guys see it and all of a sudden it is a shock?

You people are fucking retarded.

wateva · 10-06-2007, 06:06 PM

GFY if so fkin fun.....

peterk · 10-06-2007, 06:07 PM

Wellcome to the: Saturday fun!

thonglife · 10-06-2007, 07:30 PM

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We notified the affiliate that we were banning their account.

Which one is it? I thought you said you already "termed" the account? If it is a rogue affiliate, you gonna milk a few more sales in until he replies and thanks you? You guys need to get your fucking lies straight. This is no affiliate.. this is you Quickfucks.

thonglife · 10-06-2007, 07:40 PM

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Here is the thing I find interesting. As soon as this was posted, Someone with Zango on their PC said that the "person" using zango stopped poping up over ccbill / epoch. Quickbuck can teminate the "affiliates" account but they can't stop making the zango end pop up happen. The person who has the zango account would have to log in and do that. So it just so happened that the person stopped his zango campaign and then Quickbuck came in and posted the affiliate was banned. If this is the case then the affiliate wouldn't stop using zango. You deposit money into your account there pay up front. He would just keep targeting ccbill and epoch and use another affiliate. Seems strange both happened at the same time and the zango use is no longer happening.

Exactly.. They are liars and they know it.. but what do they care.. it's only 1%. Fuck them...

baddog · 10-06-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

is the guy posting as quick buck pimpdog?

spelling is too good

baddog · 10-06-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Aga

The content on anjalikara.org is exclusive to us from our site http://anjali.uncovered.com Now kill his account please

Yeah right!

I don't have a dog in this fight, but more than once I have seen content that someone thought was exclusive.

Spike D · 10-06-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I don't have a dog in this fight, but more than once I have seen content that someone thought was exclusive.

Might want to check with your good friend Martina and see if her or Penthouse authorized this content without any watermark as a heads up...

http://www.martinawarren.org/

If there is a reasonably popular solo girl that did not get her .org or .net, you will find her amongst the links somehow.....

st0ned · 10-06-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike D

Might want to check with your good friend Martina and see if her or Penthouse authorized this content without any watermark as a heads up...

http://www.martinawarren.org/

If there is a reasonably popular solo girl that did not get her .org or .net, you will find her amongst the links somehow.....

Here are some more...

www.jessicajaymes.org
www.heathervandeven.org
www.bonita-saint.net
www.chantellefontain.org
www.kellyhavel.org
www.kristaayne.org - penthouse i think?
www.stephaniewood.org

st0ned · 10-06-2007, 08:20 PM

And more....

www.shaylaren.org
www.julietcariaga.net
www.stacymoran.org

looky_lou · 10-06-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike D

Might want to check with your good friend Martina and see if her or Penthouse authorized this content without any watermark as a heads up...

http://www.martinawarren.org/

If there is a reasonably popular solo girl that did not get her .org or .net, you will find her amongst the links somehow.....

Nice one. But I am sure that it is OK. Yeah right!

Wiseman · 10-06-2007, 08:31 PM

What I was saying before people was that we responded to the thread like everyone asked. People didnt like the responses thats fine.

The acount was Terminated. And the affiliate was notified Traffic was no longer being accepted. Frankly I have nothing more to say on this. When an affiliate program does promo's like $50 joins for the rest of the year You get all kinds of traffic sources sending. Shit like this happens. And honestly Im sure if the affiliate isnt sending to us he will be sending to someone else.

looky_lou · 10-06-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

What I was saying before people was that we responded to the thread like everyone asked. People didnt like the responses thats fine.

The acount was Terminated. And the affiliate was notified Traffic was no longer being accepted. Frankly I have nothing more to say on this. When an affiliate program does promo's like $50 joins for the rest of the year You get all kinds of traffic sources sending. Shit like this happens. And honestly Im sure if the affiliate isnt sending to us he will be sending to someone else.

Go wash your car now.

TampaToker · 10-06-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

What I was saying before people was that we responded to the thread like everyone asked. People didnt like the responses thats fine.

The acount was Terminated. And the affiliate was notified Traffic was no longer being accepted. Frankly I have nothing more to say on this. When an affiliate program does promo's like $50 joins for the rest of the year You get all kinds of traffic sources sending. Shit like this happens. And honestly Im sure if the affiliate isnt sending to us he will be sending to someone else.

So whats gonna happen to the money in there account you guys gonna keep it or what?

looky_lou · 10-06-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

So whats gonna happen to the money in there account you guys gonna keep it or what?

I am sure they will divide it up and add to to all other affiliate accounts.

They wouldn't just keep it all for themselves would they?

mikeyddddd · 10-06-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

So whats gonna happen to the money in there account you guys gonna keep it or what?

What money?

There was no money.

They were caught just in the nick of time before any harm could be done.

RawAlex · 10-06-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike D

Might want to check with your good friend Martina and see if her or Penthouse authorized this content without any watermark as a heads up...

http://www.martinawarren.org/

If there is a reasonably popular solo girl that did not get her .org or .net, you will find her amongst the links somehow.....

If the .org is gone, the .info or the .whatever is used in it's place. THe .orgs are popular because Google's algo gives a very slight trust rank boost to .org domains.

st0ned · 10-06-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

What money?

There was no money.

They were caught just in the nick of time before any harm could be done.

Forest · 10-06-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

What I was saying before people was that we responded to the thread like everyone asked. People didnt like the responses thats fine.

The acount was Terminated. And the affiliate was notified Traffic was no longer being accepted. Frankly I have nothing more to say on this. When an affiliate program does promo's like $50 joins for the rest of the year You get all kinds of traffic sources sending. Shit like this happens. And honestly Im sure if the affiliate isnt sending to us he will be sending to someone else.

I agree

How many prgrams out there do u think this aff is doing this to? Im sure there are alot more then quick buck

You guy act like major programs have never had a rouge affiliate stealing from other people including the sponsor before

Wiseman · 10-06-2007, 08:58 PM

Again I will say it again. We have posted our facts. If you choose to not believe it it is your choice. We will not discuss this matter publically any longer. Feel free to hit anyone from www.quickbuck.com up directly. Thanks

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

So whats gonna happen to the money in there account you guys gonna keep it or what?

That's really not a relevant question, they can't win no matter what the answer.

If they keep it they're theives, and if they pay the affiliate, they're funding the person stealing from everyone else.

mikeyddddd · 10-06-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

That's really not a relevant question, they can't win no matter what the answer.

If they keep it they're theives, and if they pay the affiliate, they're funding the person stealing from everyone else.

So, they're keeping it then?

Of course, there's a number of charities they could donate it to.

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 09:26 PM

i have an idea.. lets take business advice from the guy above me!

he's a big winner.

Mutt · 10-06-2007, 09:29 PM

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...&highlight=WEG

i posted about this thief months ago - hundreds of dot orgs with name porn stars and models using everybody else's content all going to WEG.

hallelujah it's raining rogue affiliates!

mikeyddddd · 10-06-2007, 09:31 PM

Axeman · 10-06-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

Again I will say it again. We have posted our facts. If you choose to not believe it it is your choice. We will not discuss this matter publically any longer. Feel free to hit anyone from www.quickbuck.com up directly. Thanks

You still haven't responded or acted on the affiliate promoting you with stolen content on the .org domains. Lord Aga spoke up about his stolen content in this thread in fact.

d-null · 10-06-2007, 09:38 PM

BUSINESS is NOT synonymous with THEFT and FRAUD

A thief is a thief, not a businessman.

...

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...&highlight=WEG

i posted about this thief months ago - hundreds of dot orgs with name porn stars and models using everybody else's content all going to WEG.

hallelujah it's raining rogue affiliates!

l

boohoo... somebody is better at SEO than you.. i'll write you an apology letter over that and i'll kiss it before i mail it.

if however somebody is using YOUR content and you did not give it away for free to them then you bet i'll take action on it... will i take action based on 9, 90, or 9000 gfy monkey's posts. the answer is no.

we're not hard to reach. if you *actually* have a problem with us then you can handle it like a grown up... otherwise i'll assume that as usual you're just trying desperately to ride on the coat tails of one of the most successful affiliate programs in existence.

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

So, they're keeping it then?

Of course, there's a number of charities they could donate it to.

Right, and if they said they were doing that you wouldn't believe them, or say that they were lying about the amount....or whatever.

On this particular question there's no right answer they can give, there's no way they can win.

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

l
otherwise i'll assume that as usual you're just trying desperately to ride on the coat tails of one of the most successful affiliate programs in existence.

Which program is that?

The only program owner I've seen in this thread is you

tony286 · 10-06-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

l

boohoo... somebody is better at SEO than you.. i'll write you an apology letter over that and i'll kiss it before i mail it.

if however somebody is using YOUR content and you did not give it away for free to them then you bet i'll take action on it... will i take action based on 9, 90, or 9000 gfy monkey's posts. the answer is no.

we're not hard to reach. if you *actually* have a problem with us then you can handle it like a grown up... otherwise i'll assume that as usual you're just trying desperately to ride on the coat tails of one of the most successful affiliate programs in existence.

If your in the right and gfy means nothing to you, why be so nasty?

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 10:06 PM

i should be nice about somebody attacking us and calling us theives?

Common Sense · 10-06-2007, 10:09 PM

mutt, act like a grown up. start throwing chairs out windows and spitting in peoples faces. that is what a grown up does.

and i wouldnt bother with the copyright crap, not like quickbuck hasnt been sued for it before.

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 10:11 PM

yes mutt, stop soliciting teenage girls to become pornstars and start acting like a grown up.

BOSS1 · 10-06-2007, 10:14 PM

so i guess this drama is resolved

tony286 · 10-06-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

i should be nice about somebody attacking us and calling us theives?

Well someone selling your product was fucking others, maybe if you came in concerned instead of arrogant.You wouldnt of gotten attacked. Just Dale Carnegie 101.

will76 · 10-06-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

Im going to go clean my Chopper I baught with the blood $ from My company Zango. And Get it ready for a Show. have a good weekend. I hope we dont go under because of this. have a good weekend. We are done here.

If you were right and did nothing wrong you just ruined it by acting like an asshole. But what do you care, you only make 1% of your sales from GFY

Quickdraw · 10-06-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Quickdraw

-----The member id is 41631. XXXpass bookmark id is/was 42059.----
This needs clarification.

The thieving popup affiliate id is 41631.
Typein traffic to quickbuck's xxxpass gets id 42059

Long time affiliate?

Just wondering why you took the join link off of xxxpass.com?

mikeyddddd · 10-06-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Right, and if they said they were doing that you wouldn't believe them, or say that they were lying about the amount....or whatever.

On this particular question there's no right answer they can give, there's no way they can win.

There's lots of things they could do to win. Maybe not tonight. And maybe not tomorrow. It won't be easy. But, if they value their reputation they will make the effort.

They have not helped themselves with the way that they have handled this situation. Their response has done nothing to restore any respect in their ability to run an honest program nor any confidence that they can correct the problems in their process and procedures that allowed the situation to occur.

They could have started with acting professionally by being contrite and offering an apology while issuing a statement on what they planned to do in anticipation of the questions they had to know would be asked, including what they were going to do with the money.

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 10:32 PM

i'm sorry, do i owe the good people of gfy something?

had we been approached with a question of "QuickBuck, what the heck is going on?" then we would have approached it with an answer of "ok, we're looking into it, give us a few hours".

Do you see any threads giving us even close to a suggested opportunity to look into it?

The moment I saw the threads I knew exactly what the result of any explanation would be... just check the first few threads, the assumption is that if we don't admit to actively stealing joins that we are lying... so we're either lying or stealing?

treat me with respect, contact me about concerns, and I will do the same to you... treat me like a crook and I will treat you like an idiot.

will76 · 10-06-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaSteve

If you spend money on advertising... ppc, bannner listings, etc, then I'm sure you're looking at your stats constantly. If something happens and you see you're banned wouldn't you pull your advertising right away if you could so you're not wasting money? I'm sure this is what's happening.

come on are you serious??? It was posted here and with in 10 mins the zango use had stopped. During which time it was mentioned here that QuickBuck had been notifed of the gfy thread. SO you suggest that affiliates check their stats every 5 mins

I check at most 5 - 6 times a day, some times less. If you check your stats every couple minutes that doesn't leave you much time to... work?

Anyway QuickBuck admitted to contacting this guy and giving him a heads up. So from the time it was posted here, Quickbuck was notifed of this happening and they contacted the person doing it, who then killed his zango campaigns. All in the matter of 10 - 20 mins. That tells me that Quickbuck knew the "affilaite" really well. Either someone who they had on ICQ or picked up the phone and got in touch with them asap. Also, if this was an affiliate they knew well one would think it would only be logical that the affiliate would have let quickbuck know what they were doing.I mean come on, that is the type of activity you get approved before you start doing it.

But we all know how this game works, 9 out of 10 times the affiliate company makes an account and then uses it themself so they can deny it when they get caught. Sexbankroll was the only idiot that used zango and used their own urls LOL can't blame an affiliate on that, oh wait those idiots tried anyway.

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

There's lots of things they could do to win. Maybe not tonight. And maybe not tomorrow. It won't be easy. But, if they value their reputation they will make the effort.

They have not helped themselves with the way that they have handled this situation. Their response has done nothing to restore any respect in their ability to run an honest program nor any confidence that they can correct the problems in their process and procedures that allowed the situation to occur.

They could have started with acting professionally by being contrite and offering an apology while issuing a statement on what they planned to do in anticipation of the questions they had to know would be asked, including what they were going to do with the money.

Why do we owe you an apology? We didn't buy the traffic.

People apologize for things they do wrong, not for things the do right (like finding out about the issue and terminating the affiliate promptly).

How many joins per day have you stopped sending me exactly because of this? 0 or 0?

I don't mean this in pimpdog self destructive kind of way, but my only obligation is to my active affiliates.. not to random people who's sole claim to existence is their ability to post on gfy.

We take *great* care of our affiliate from huge payouts, custom sites, bonus points and more. If you are an actual affilliate, then you have likely already spoken to us personally and directly.

Forgive me for not being more humble and loving towards people who don't do business with me.

will76 · 10-06-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

yes mutt, stop soliciting teenage girls to become pornstars and start acting like a grown up.

damn, didn't you say you were going to leave about 15 posts ago?

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Wiseman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,990	What I was saying before people was that we responded to the thread like everyone asked. People didnt like the responses thats fine. The acount was Terminated. And the affiliate was notified Traffic was no longer being accepted. Frankly I have nothing more to say on this. When an affiliate program does promo's like $50 joins for the rest of the year You get all kinds of traffic sources sending. Shit like this happens. And honestly Im sure if the affiliate isnt sending to us he will be sending to someone else. __________________ []E-mail: [email protected][]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think internext should have a pr seminar. I can't believe the serious lack of diplomacy skills some companies have.

10-06-2007, 05:56 PM	#54
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Tony, there appear to be a few people that take the whole "rap star" mentality when it comes to these things. Pissing on the smaller webmasters is some sort of street cred thing, maybe some sort of requirement to be able to send traffic to Lars or something. It's like taking a bullet. Arrogance is a disease.

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10-06-2007, 10:32 PM	#97
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	i'm sorry, do i owe the good people of gfy something? had we been approached with a question of "QuickBuck, what the heck is going on?" then we would have approached it with an answer of "ok, we're looking into it, give us a few hours". Do you see any threads giving us even close to a suggested opportunity to look into it? The moment I saw the threads I knew exactly what the result of any explanation would be... just check the first few threads, the assumption is that if we don't admit to actively stealing joins that we are lying... so we're either lying or stealing? treat me with respect, contact me about concerns, and I will do the same to you... treat me like a crook and I will treat you like an idiot. __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck