My Naughty America stats (pic) - GoFuckYourself.com

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 04:21 PM

I usually don't like to plug programs I'm doing well with because I don't need the competition, also because webmasters seem to be allergic to referral links, and they'll see you plug a program, ignore your link to it, and just type in the url to sign up. (This amazes me...but isn't the subject of this thread)

However.....since Mark from Naughty America did something really nice and unexpected for me recently, and also, since I was told I must be an idiot in this thread
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774192
because I think it's wrong to try and fleece the surfer with hidden charges in the form of prechecked cross sales.

And called greedy in this thread
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=770853
because I think that $30 PPS on a site with no trials is a rip off to the webmaster, I decided I'd share this information.

I've edited out all of the info except for the dollars per sale, because nobody needs to know exactly how much I make or how many sales I do etc.
I will tell you that these numbers reflect thousands of signups. I don't say that to brag, just to let you know that it is a good size statistical sample.

This from sites that charge 1.95 for a trial, 24.95 per month, with NO CROSS SALES, NO EXIT CONSOLES, nothing hidden or shady whatsoever....and these are REVSHARE payouts.
If I never sent Naughty America another click I would easily have rebills in excess of 6 figures over the next 6 months to 1 year.

So why would I send traffic to programs that pay $35-40 per signup, and rips off the customers so bad that they'll never sign up for another site?
Why would I accept $30 PPS on a site with no trials that charges $30 per month, when I can make $49+ per signup pushing a site with 1.95 trials?

Naughty America is proof that if you give your customers a high quality product, and treat them right, it's not only better for profits now, but better for all of us in the long term.

gaymale · 10-06-2007, 04:27 PM

That is one confusing 'ad' you post here. You boast about naughty america and proudly list your sales from January 1 2007 - current period and show 1 sale for that time-frame, then continue on with exclaming EPIC CASH RULES! Is it just me?

Video Rob · 10-06-2007, 04:32 PM

What the hell are you on about?!?

gaymale · 10-06-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Video Rob

What the hell are you on about?!?

Who are you asking?

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gaymale

That is one confusing 'ad' you post here. You boast about naughty america and proudly list your sales from January 1 2007 - current period and show 1 sale for that time-frame, then continue on with exclaming EPIC CASH RULES! Is it just me?

Maybe I didn't explain it right...those stats are from this year, Jan 1 through today.
I blacked out the number of sales, the only stat I was talking about is the $$ per sale that I've made with Naughty America.

The epic cash rules in my sig is a joke, actually making fun of them. If you follow the link you'll see that it goes to a GFY thread.

woj · 10-06-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Maybe I didn't explain it right...those stats are from this year, Jan 1 through today.
I blacked out the number of sales, the only stat I was talking about is the $$ per sale that I've made with Naughty America.

The epic cash rules in my sig is a joke, actually making fun of them. If you follow the link you'll see that it goes to a GFY thread.

yea, but if you promoted them last year then these stats are kinda useless...
you are counting rebills from previous years to get $$/sale, so really you make more like $45/sale....

then when you consider additional risk you take on (program going under, processor going under, some new laws, etc) and also "time value of money"... really PPS and revshare are about equivalent...

slapass · 10-06-2007, 05:07 PM

Nice $$$/signup. And we can see the number of digits on the total. You might want to see if you can drop off those columns and resnap the screen cap.

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-06-2007, 05:13 PM

1:1600 convertion ratio

whooop-dee-doo!

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

yea, but if you promoted them last year then these stats are kinda useless...
you are counting rebills from previous years to get $$/sale, so really you make more like $45/sale....

then when you consider additional risk you take on (program going under, processor going under, some new laws, etc) and also "time value of money"... really PPS and revshare are about equivalent...

I've been promoting them for several years, that doesn't make my $$ for this year any lower.
I've made more per sale this year than last year, but I credit that to changes made to the members areas and more sites added to the network. (However my $ per signup last year was WELL over $35)

What you discount when you say revshare and PPS are the same is that if I stopped sending traffic today I would still get big checks for many months to come, if I stop sending traffic to a PPS then the money stops too.

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet

1:1600 convertion ratio

whooop-dee-doo!

That's meaningless actually, I've sent alot of 404 traffic to naughty america vip.
Doesn't bother me because I don't look at conversion ratios, just ROI % on ad spots.

StarkReality · 10-06-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Why would I accept $30 PPS on a site with no trials that charges $30 per month, when I can make $49+ per signup pushing a site with 1.95 trials?

Naughty America is proof that if you give your customers a high quality product, and treat them right, it's not only better for profits now, but better for all of us in the long term.

In the case of Naughty America it's true, rebills are amazing and it's a solid and honest program.

In general, I only tend to use revshare for programs I trust 101%, like Naughty America, Juggcash, Brazbucks, Lightspeedcash, Shanes World, well, can't list them all here, about 15 (excluding ccbill) programs I use in revshare mode.

For all the rest, several dozen programs, I just use PPS for a simple reason: I don't trust them enough. If revshare rebills look fishy, I switch to PPS.

I'm tired of seeing no rebills after first month...especially if this site rebilled for 3+ months on average a year ago, so I grab the 35$ or whatever they pay and that's it.

Maybe I should drop them instead, if you average 14$ a signup, but they offer 35$ PPS as well, the numbers don't match, even when calculating upsells, but so what. Chaging linking codes is enough work, I wouldn't want to replace all this content as well.

Snake Doctor · 10-06-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by StarkReality

In the case of Naughty America it's true, rebills are amazing and it's a solid and honest program.

In general, I only tend to use revshare for programs I trust 101%, like Naughty America, Juggcash, Brazbucks, Lightspeedcash, Shanes World, well, can't list them all here, about 15 (excluding ccbill) programs I use in revshare mode.

For all the rest, several dozen programs, I just use PPS for a simple reason: I don't trust them enough. If revshare rebills look fishy, I switch to PPS.

I'm tired of seeing no rebills after first month...especially if this site rebilled for 3+ months on average a year ago, so I grab the 35$ or whatever they pay and that's it.

Maybe I should drop them instead, if you average 14$ a signup, but they offer 35$ PPS as well, the numbers don't match, even when calculating upsells, but so what. Chaging linking codes is enough work, I wouldn't want to replace all this content as well.

You named alot of good programs there. What I try to do is find someone who offers a very high quality product, and treats members well (no hidden charges, prechecked cross sales, excessive consoles etc)
I don't give a flying fuck what anyone else tells you, you will make more money being a partner with those programs than sending traffic to someone who is trying to fleece the customer.

StickyGreen · 10-06-2007, 05:45 PM

I just rolled a fat-ass blunt...

10-06-2007, 04:21 PM	#1
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	My Naughty America stats (pic) I usually don't like to plug programs I'm doing well with because I don't need the competition, also because webmasters seem to be allergic to referral links, and they'll see you plug a program, ignore your link to it, and just type in the url to sign up. (This amazes me...but isn't the subject of this thread) However.....since Mark from Naughty America did something really nice and unexpected for me recently, and also, since I was told I must be an idiot in this thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774192 because I think it's wrong to try and fleece the surfer with hidden charges in the form of prechecked cross sales. And called greedy in this thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=770853 because I think that $30 PPS on a site with no trials is a rip off to the webmaster, I decided I'd share this information. I've edited out all of the info except for the dollars per sale, because nobody needs to know exactly how much I make or how many sales I do etc. I will tell you that these numbers reflect thousands of signups. I don't say that to brag, just to let you know that it is a good size statistical sample. This from sites that charge 1.95 for a trial, 24.95 per month, with NO CROSS SALES, NO EXIT CONSOLES, nothing hidden or shady whatsoever....and these are REVSHARE payouts. If I never sent Naughty America another click I would easily have rebills in excess of 6 figures over the next 6 months to 1 year. So why would I send traffic to programs that pay $35-40 per signup, and rips off the customers so bad that they'll never sign up for another site? Why would I accept $30 PPS on a site with no trials that charges $30 per month, when I can make $49+ per signup pushing a site with 1.95 trials? Naughty America is proof that if you give your customers a high quality product, and treat them right, it's not only better for profits now, but better for all of us in the long term. __________________ sig too big

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10-06-2007, 05:13 PM	#8
Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,515	1:1600 convertion ratio whooop-dee-doo!