The Gay Market.. - GoFuckYourself.com

pentae · 09-12-2002, 09:39 PM

We're thinking of introducing FREE LIVE GAY feeds.. is the gay market big? good? in need of such a product?

We currently offer straight feeds, and have found the live feeds market fairly difficult to get into in a good amount of time. In fact i'm sure you guys have already started to see Naughty & Live banners dotted around on GFY ..

-BUT-

We have a lot of spare rooms, and a lot of gay men ready to go at a million miles an hour. I know for a fact that the gay surfer is a lot more credit-card happy, has a lot more money to burn (as he usually doesnt have a ball and chain and three kids), and is quite the active porn punter.

Am I right or wrong? What do you guys think?

The site would be just like www.naughtyandlive.com just with twinks!

Gay webmasters interested in this future product, which we could put together in close to no time, please get in touch with me on ICQ...

4969303!

Steve · 09-12-2002, 09:40 PM

I hear the gay market sucks dick.

Lexxx · 09-12-2002, 09:55 PM

That might be a good idea... if the stream quality would be reasonable...

Martin · 09-12-2002, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve
I hear the gay market sucks dick.

Pun intended..

AM Jeff · 09-12-2002, 10:33 PM

Pentae,

I run Alt Masters for Netpond.
We deal with the gay market and yes its a hot market.

I'm a straight Webmaster but promote alot of my sites in the gay area.
Hardly untouched and converts like a mother fucker.

Ya have any questions or need help.
Shoot me an email.
jeff at altmasters.com

pornJester · 09-12-2002, 10:37 PM

Gay is in

pentae · 09-12-2002, 10:50 PM

Whoa feedback looks positive so far

we would be offering gayandlive.com, would be the exact same as naughtyandlive.com, same feed quality, same model quality.. performing an upsell on the front page, with the high quality, more hardcore rooms in the backend.

Would take us 2 seconds ;)

Altima · 09-12-2002, 11:05 PM

well if I ever had time to build my gay site I would be looking for some feeds:/ but who the hell has time these days wife kids arg!!!!

Marcus · 09-12-2002, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by AM Jeff
Hardly untouched and converts like a mother fucker.

I don't understand how can you say that when the best ratio listed on your front page is 1:1178 and the average ratio is 1:1860

is that a good ratio?

theking · 09-12-2002, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by pentae
Whoa feedback looks positive so far

we would be offering gayandlive.com, would be the exact same as naughtyandlive.com, same feed quality, same model quality.. performing an upsell on the front page, with the high quality, more hardcore rooms in the backend.

Would take us 2 seconds ;)

I personally do not think that the gay niche is any better selling than any other niche. All niches do reasonably well, if done properly.

[Labret] · 09-12-2002, 11:09 PM

Great, more straight people putting out gay product.

Hint. Niche it out. General cock does about as well as general tits and ass. Gay guys like their shit niched out as well. And not cheesy shit like "big cocks" and "teens". Its a little more complex than that. Teens does not mean some 29 year old guy with no body hair, it means make him look like he is 14. A bear isnt a man with a little fur on his six pack. Make him 350 and grizzly fucking adams, then you are getting close.

Most likely your gay site will fail like every other gay site built and ran by straight programs.

Probably not the answer you wanted, but its the truth.

[Labret] · 09-12-2002, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by theking

I personally do not think that the gay niche is any better selling than any other niche. All niches do reasonably well, if done properly.

Evidently you have never worked in gay.

RogerV · 09-12-2002, 11:11 PM

Gay sites do real well and I think free feeds might be a good call.

pentae · 09-12-2002, 11:14 PM

Labret,

We're not talking about a paysite, we're talking about free feeds. If our quality of stream and model is better than the rest, who gives a fuck if the marketings too cheesy or not right?

It also does not rule out the possibility of employing someone who is gay to make the site right.

steffie · 09-12-2002, 11:15 PM

I love Gay site
I subscripe actually to one
I love seeing those guys and always chat with them in the chatrooms.

I heard a lot of them are bi or straight.. he he

Most of them just look hot! hot! hot!~!

and damn they are cute.. he he

theking · 09-12-2002, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Evidently you have never worked in gay.

I only have one gay site in my mix, so I cannot speak with any expertise about gay sites and I didn't attempt to. I said "I personally think...". By the by are all of your sites gay sites, providing you don't mind answering the question?

pentae · 09-12-2002, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by steffie
I love Gay site
I subscripe actually to one
I love seeing those guys and always chat with them in the chatrooms.

I heard a lot of them are bi or straight.. he he

Most of them just look hot! hot! hot!~!

and damn they are cute.. he he

Thanks for the input there, steffie.

[Labret] · 09-12-2002, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by theking

By the by are all of your sites gay sites, providing you don't mind answering the question?

Yes. Once you figure out gay, you will drop straight all together. Where else can you make 6 figures a year off a site that gets less than 20k a day? Sure as hell arent doing it in straight.

The only thing good about straight is that you have more revenue options by way of sponsors. There is no traffic in gay. Seriously, it is pitiful. Although not as bad as say a year ago. And what little bulk traffic you can find of any consequence is all controlled by a handful of people. And by bulk I mean anything in excess of 5k to 10k a day. You get a gay site up to 40k a day and you are running with the Sleazydreams of gay.

So if you can get in, the getting is good. Sorta, its been tough lately. We glut just like everyone else and sponsors go to shit quick.

[Labret] · 09-12-2002, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pentae
Labret,

We're not talking about a paysite, we're talking about free feeds. If our quality of stream and model is better than the rest, who gives a fuck if the marketings too cheesy or not right?

My bad, I misread.

pentae · 09-12-2002, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

My bad, I misread.

its all good, dude

playa · 09-13-2002, 12:01 AM

you really do have to consult with an actual gay man,

its really another world

AM Jeff · 09-13-2002, 12:08 AM

Thats the Statician that has those numbers that are posted.
They use traffic from all sorts.

I'm sure LE or Snikks can verify more about the traffic than I can.

All I know is, what I convert at..lol

Straight sites are way over saturated.

TDF · 09-13-2002, 12:14 AM

I know gay surfers dont like trannys..

theking · 09-13-2002, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
I know gay surfers dont like trannys..

Care to explain how you know this? What is the percentage of gay surfers that don't like trannies? What is it that they don't like about trannies? I do not have any knowledge in this area so whatever info you have would you please share it? It would be appreciated.

TDF · 09-13-2002, 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by theking

Care to explain how you know this? What is the percentage of gay surfers that don't like trannies? What is it that they don't like about trannies? I do not have any knowledge in this area so whatever info you have would you please share it? It would be appreciated.

I dont have any exact numbers for you but I can tell you from speaking to gay surfers and webmasters they mainly like men who act like men and not men who are halfway women.From the way my traffic looks its like shemales and trannys are more of a fantasy niche than a preference niche. Meaning straight men who fantasize about being witha tranny vs. an actual group of people who tend to go after the same thing

minimouse · 09-13-2002, 12:51 AM

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I know gay surfers dont like trannys..

I know that too....my question is who does?

minimouse · 09-13-2002, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Care to explain how you know this? What is the percentage of gay surfers that don't like trannies? What is it that they don't like about trannies? I do not have any knowledge in this area so whatever info you have would you please share it? It would be appreciated.

Think about it, gay men loves men not halfway women... I love men but this tranny girl/boy doesn't make me feel good either...lol

theking · 09-13-2002, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli

I dont have any exact numbers for you but I can tell you from speaking to gay surfers and webmasters they mainly like men who act like men and not men who are halfway women.From the way my traffic looks its like shemales and trannys are more of a fantasy niche than a preference niche. Meaning straight men who fantasize about being witha tranny vs. an actual group of people who tend to go after the same thing

Not alot of info there but thanks for sharing. It sounds logical that gays would prefer men who are actually real men. I don't think that a straight man fantasizes about trannies. I have a tranny site among the mix and it does reasonably well, but I am not sure what the sexual preference is of the surfers.

DarkJedi · 09-13-2002, 12:57 AM

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Sleazydreams of gay

Hahaha

FlyingIguana · 09-13-2002, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve
I hear the gay market sucks dick.

lol

DarkJedi · 09-13-2002, 01:50 AM

Labret whats a good bear site to promote ?

Petr · 09-13-2002, 02:30 AM

Labret is absolutely right about the gay market. It's MUCH smaller than straight and so is the traffic volume. Untouched? No, almost every affiliate program has at least one gay paysite now. Saturated? IMO as much as the straight market now...

But if you have any gay traffic for sale, I'm buying ($40-$45 per sale, $50 / sale if you can send 20 sales a day)...

pentae · 09-15-2002, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Petr
Labret is absolutely right about the gay market. It's MUCH smaller than straight and so is the traffic volume. Untouched? No, almost every affiliate program has at least one gay paysite now. Saturated? IMO as much as the straight market now...

But if you have any gay traffic for sale, I'm buying ($40-$45 per sale, $50 / sale if you can send 20 sales a day)...

I think everyone missed the point of the thread.. I am not starting a paysite, but will merely be offering FREE LIVE FEED content as a plugin for members areas..

whats the gay LIVE FEED market like? is there much out there?

prostock · 09-15-2002, 06:08 PM

I see there is alot here that belive gay site1s are good and others think they are not any better ,
Well just to add my 2cents to it all

I am a content maker and i am not gay , But i will tell you this i sell 100 times to 1 over women content , We can not make all the gay content and tranny content that people want some times .
I have orders on a daily base , SO i truly belive that if you do the live and have guys that are good chaters and look good you will rock and at the same time be fare in cost

We to are going to be doing gay and trany live soon , not to sure when but I feel for us it is hte best to do > I have great loomg teen gurls , but i still feel we will do better , SO to what you are askign i think you will do great

09-12-2002, 09:39 PM	#1
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	The Gay Market.. We're thinking of introducing FREE LIVE GAY feeds.. is the gay market big? good? in need of such a product? We currently offer straight feeds, and have found the live feeds market fairly difficult to get into in a good amount of time. In fact i'm sure you guys have already started to see Naughty & Live banners dotted around on GFY .. -BUT- We have a lot of spare rooms, and a lot of gay men ready to go at a million miles an hour. I know for a fact that the gay surfer is a lot more credit-card happy, has a lot more money to burn (as he usually doesnt have a ball and chain and three kids), and is quite the active porn punter. Am I right or wrong? What do you guys think? The site would be just like www.naughtyandlive.com just with twinks! Gay webmasters interested in this future product, which we could put together in close to no time, please get in touch with me on ICQ... 4969303!

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pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	Labret, We're not talking about a paysite, we're talking about free feeds. If our quality of stream and model is better than the rest, who gives a fuck if the marketings too cheesy or not right? It also does not rule out the possibility of employing someone who is gay to make the site right. Last edited by pentae; 09-12-2002 at 11:16 PM..

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Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	I hear the gay market sucks dick.

09-12-2002, 10:33 PM	#5
AM Jeff Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The House Of Rage Posts: 1,320	Pentae, I run Alt Masters for Netpond. We deal with the gay market and yes its a hot market. I'm a straight Webmaster but promote alot of my sites in the gay area. Hardly untouched and converts like a mother fucker. Ya have any questions or need help. Shoot me an email. jeff at altmasters.com

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pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	Whoa feedback looks positive so far we would be offering gayandlive.com, would be the exact same as naughtyandlive.com, same feed quality, same model quality.. performing an upsell on the front page, with the high quality, more hardcore rooms in the backend. Would take us 2 seconds ;)

09-12-2002, 11:09 PM	#11
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Great, more straight people putting out gay product. Hint. Niche it out. General cock does about as well as general tits and ass. Gay guys like their shit niched out as well. And not cheesy shit like "big cocks" and "teens". Its a little more complex than that. Teens does not mean some 29 year old guy with no body hair, it means make him look like he is 14. A bear isnt a man with a little fur on his six pack. Make him 350 and grizzly fucking adams, then you are getting close. Most likely your gay site will fail like every other gay site built and ran by straight programs. Probably not the answer you wanted, but its the truth.

09-12-2002, 11:11 PM	#13
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Gay sites do real well and I think free feeds might be a good call.

09-12-2002, 11:15 PM	#15
steffie Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Mountains, far far away Posts: 2,422	I love Gay site I subscripe actually to one I love seeing those guys and always chat with them in the chatrooms. I heard a lot of them are bi or straight.. he he Most of them just look hot! hot! hot!~! and damn they are cute.. he he __________________ Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

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playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	you really do have to consult with an actual gay man, its really another world

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AM Jeff Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The House Of Rage Posts: 1,320	Thats the Statician that has those numbers that are posted. They use traffic from all sorts. I'm sure LE or Snikks can verify more about the traffic than I can. All I know is, what I convert at..lol Straight sites are way over saturated.

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TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	I know gay surfers dont like trannys.. __________________ Sig heil

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DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	Labret whats a good bear site to promote ?

09-13-2002, 02:30 AM	#32
Petr Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 502	Labret is absolutely right about the gay market. It's MUCH smaller than straight and so is the traffic volume. Untouched? No, almost every affiliate program has at least one gay paysite now. Saturated? IMO as much as the straight market now... But if you have any gay traffic for sale, I'm buying ($40-$45 per sale, $50 / sale if you can send 20 sales a day)...

09-15-2002, 06:08 PM	#34
prostock On probation Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: not telling you , the exwife might find me Posts: 4,160	I see there is alot here that belive gay site1s are good and others think they are not any better , Well just to add my 2cents to it all I am a content maker and i am not gay , But i will tell you this i sell 100 times to 1 over women content , We can not make all the gay content and tranny content that people want some times . I have orders on a daily base , SO i truly belive that if you do the live and have guys that are good chaters and look good you will rock and at the same time be fare in cost We to are going to be doing gay and trany live soon , not to sure when but I feel for us it is hte best to do > I have great loomg teen gurls , but i still feel we will do better , SO to what you are askign i think you will do great __________________ ICQ # :158519717