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Tom_PM · 10-03-2007, 10:27 AM

Yeah I remember the old discussion of whether TGP's were hurting the business by giving away so many free samples with so few ads. At the time, a great many people wanted to try to shut down TGP's, and a few of us asked content providers to stop letting anyone with a web connection and a credit card to buy hardcore. Guess which side won? Neither. That is all.

fuckingfuck · 10-03-2007, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yeah I remember the old discussion of whether TGP's were hurting the business by giving away so many free samples with so few ads. At the time, a great many people wanted to try to shut down TGP's, and a few of us asked content providers to stop letting anyone with a web connection and a credit card to buy hardcore. Guess which side won? Neither. That is all.

I'm sorry but Pimproll also benefits from stolen content.

I and many other people reported twice a big time thief and all you did was to ask him to remove some sample URLs I sent you rather than closing his account. The same person still has hundreds of galleries with stolen content.

DamageX · 10-03-2007, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuckingfuck

I'm sorry but Pimproll also benefits from stolen content.

I and many other people reported twice a big time thief and all you did was to ask him to remove some sample URLs I sent you rather than closing his account. The same person still has hundreds of galleries with stolen content.

Interesting.

Tom_PM · 10-03-2007, 01:40 PM

You should email support with the url's, and account numbers. If you have emailed us before about the same account, please absolutely note that too!

However, we dont benefit from someone stealing someone elses exclusive content, and misleading a surfer into believing we have content which we dont. Even if we didnt hold thieves accountable, you dont think it benefit us to pay someone $30 for a $2.99 trial and a cancellation by a pissed surfer???

Again, please send us the links and numbers and we'll deal with the particular situation as it warrants. We absolutely take it seriously, and if it's a repeat offender even moreso.

Aussie Rebel · 10-03-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuckingfuck

I'm sorry but Pimproll also benefits from stolen content.

I and many other people reported twice a big time thief and all you did was to ask him to remove some sample URLs I sent you rather than closing his account. The same person still has hundreds of galleries with stolen content.

Alot of programs turn a blind eye to this shit if they are making money

or they close the account and give them a new one

c-lo · 10-03-2007, 03:17 PM

AlienQ: There's a difference between a dumb marketing plan (TGPs) and downright theft. There's also a difference between sites that distribute copyrighted content of all sorts vs sites that distribute only copyrighted adult content, as far as this industry is concerned.

Sadly, you were right that it is now the responsibility of content owners to get their content removed from thieving sites, however, that is not the way it should be. Content producers shouldn't have to play defense to an illegal, or at the very least immoral, business practice.

Of course, these sites aren't going to go away - and we will eventually have to adapt or feel the financial burden of having an outdated marketing principle. Unfortunately, it appears that our options are to make selling harder on ourselves and decrease the amount of companies we can work with OR become obsolete.

The TGP wasn't the deathnail for the industry, but who's to say that it will all come at once? As far as I can tell, the online adult industry has been slowly dying since it started.

I imagine that within a few years the main marketing strategy for this industry will be one of embarassing simplicity, extreme oversaturation, and quite questionable principles.

Just my opinion, though - only time will tell.

Aussie Rebel · 10-04-2007, 01:13 AM

Bump so python see's this

DamageX · 10-04-2007, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

Bump so python see's this

They have seen it, they don't give a fuck.

xxxice · 10-04-2007, 04:11 PM

Bump ...

Far-L · 10-04-2007, 07:17 PM

This is akin to the so-called "hacked password" traffic, certainly similar in the sense of being an issue with strong ethical repurcussions. Both sides can artfully make arguments to say why their point of view is right, for bottom line profit motives, or concern for copyrights, or treatment of surfers, support of affiliates, etc. At the end of the day and the finish of the debate, the only thing that comes of it is seeing your competitor's strategies, and gauging their ethics. Threads like this are great for showing what side of the fence people are on and I learn more from these than any other about what kind of people I want to do business with.

spacedog · 10-04-2007, 07:19 PM

SykkBoy,

I am an affiliate of Adult Paymaster.

I am earning $19.75 per thousand uniques via your program.
I value our business relationship even though it is a passive one, however, I'd like to offer my greivances in regards to this situation.

I know you're thinking about your bottom line & the revenue generated from ads on such sites, however, this is a problem that affects all of our peers in this industry.

Our nature in this business is to sell memberships. Those membership sales & retention have been on rapid decline since these tube & torrent sites started giving it all away for free and it affects everyone from the affiliate to the program owners & the content producers.

How long will it take before there's a catastrophic failure to the business model of the online adult paysites.

The only way to put a dent into these sites that push stolen content for free is to cut off their funding. These types of sites are not going to go away because it is profitable for them, so we as an industry, must all work together to fight this as a common cause and cut off their funding as well as continue to send DMCA notices etc, because these sites are a big threat to all of our livelihoods. Our incomes will continue to decline as more surfers find these kinds of sites.

The sales you make from that site in my opinion are not worth the damage to your reputation, nor worth the risk of losing current affiliates.

It is your business and you'll decide what is best for your company, but I am asking you to look at this from another viewpoint since you seem to only be looking at the bottom line coming from a single source.. You need to consider the bigger picture..

I value your program as a source of revenue for my sites, however, I value the collaborative effort to fight content theft more because content theft affects my bottom line and it should concern you as well.

Papillon · 10-04-2007, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog

SykkBoy,

I am an affiliate of Adult Paymaster.

I am earning $19.75 per thousand uniques via your program.
I value our business relationship even though it is a passive one, however, I'd like to offer my greivances in regards to this situation.

I know you're thinking about your bottom line & the revenue generated from ads on such sites, however, this is a problem that affects all of our peers in this industry.

Our nature in this business is to sell memberships. Those membership sales & retention have been on rapid decline since these tube & torrent sites started giving it all away for free and it affects everyone from the affiliate to the program owners & the content producers.

How long will it take before there's a catastrophic failure to the business model of the online adult paysites.

The only way to put a dent into these sites that push stolen content for free is to cut off their funding. These types of sites are not going to go away because it is profitable for them, so we as an industry, must all work together to fight this as a common cause and cut off their funding as well as continue to send DMCA notices etc, because these sites are a big threat to all of our livelihoods. Our incomes will continue to decline as more surfers find these kinds of sites.

The sales you make from that site in my opinion are not worth the damage to your reputation, nor worth the risk of losing current affiliates.

It is your business and you'll decide what is best for your company, but I am asking you to look at this from another viewpoint since you seem to only be looking at the bottom line coming from a single source.. You need to consider the bigger picture..

I value your program as a source of revenue for my sites, however, I value the collaborative effort to fight content theft more because content theft affects my bottom line and it should concern you as well.

Well written but seriously theres not a chance in hell he doesn't understand that.

He, like most people driven by greed, is only interested in the bottom line.

Its the 'hey I got to make money who cares who I screw in the process' disease.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-04-2007, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c-lo

AlienQ: There's a difference between a dumb marketing plan (TGPs) and downright theft. There's also a difference between sites that distribute copyrighted content of all sorts vs sites that distribute only copyrighted adult content, as far as this industry is concerned.

Sadly, you were right that it is now the responsibility of content owners to get their content removed from thieving sites, however, that is not the way it should be. Content producers shouldn't have to play defense to an illegal, or at the very least immoral, business practice.

Of course, these sites aren't going to go away - and we will eventually have to adapt or feel the financial burden of having an outdated marketing principle. Unfortunately, it appears that our options are to make selling harder on ourselves and decrease the amount of companies we can work with OR become obsolete.

The TGP wasn't the deathnail for the industry, but who's to say that it will all come at once? As far as I can tell, the online adult industry has been slowly dying since it started.

I imagine that within a few years the main marketing strategy for this industry will be one of embarassing simplicity, extreme oversaturation, and quite questionable principles.

Just my opinion, though - only time will tell.

You are a wise one

NinjaSteve · 10-04-2007, 09:18 PM

If a site is offering full site rips, why would their visitors buy a membership from a paysite anyway?

Matt 26z · 10-05-2007, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

Can you show me one TGP in the past that offered full site rips?

Actually, 10 years ago that's what all the big TGP's were doing. This was before the days of good members area security. They'd post the members area URL.

Matt 26z · 10-05-2007, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaSteve

If a site is offering full site rips, why would their visitors buy a membership from a paysite anyway?

If an entire members area can be ripped and shared on bit torrent, I'd say the site owner has more to worry about than content theft. The good members areas (less than 1% of all paysites) are impossible to effectively share on torrents since they are so big.

This is really where good paysites have an advantage over the DVD guys. Someone would have to be constantly ripping and submitting the new updates to feed the surfers.

Quickdraw · 10-05-2007, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

How original.....please

Cheer up man. Aren't you about done paying off the FTC fine?

Odie · 10-05-2007, 11:02 AM

well said spacedog and Far-L! I learn so much from threads like these.

Timbo · 10-05-2007, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Cheer up man. Aren't you about done paying off the FTC fine?

Almost, thanks for asking

Timbo · 10-05-2007, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog

SykkBoy,

I am an affiliate of Adult Paymaster.

I am earning $19.75 per thousand uniques via your program.
I value our business relationship even though it is a passive one, however, I'd like to offer my greivances in regards to this situation.

I know you're thinking about your bottom line & the revenue generated from ads on such sites, however, this is a problem that affects all of our peers in this industry.

Our nature in this business is to sell memberships. Those membership sales & retention have been on rapid decline since these tube & torrent sites started giving it all away for free and it affects everyone from the affiliate to the program owners & the content producers.

How long will it take before there's a catastrophic failure to the business model of the online adult paysites.

The only way to put a dent into these sites that push stolen content for free is to cut off their funding. These types of sites are not going to go away because it is profitable for them, so we as an industry, must all work together to fight this as a common cause and cut off their funding as well as continue to send DMCA notices etc, because these sites are a big threat to all of our livelihoods. Our incomes will continue to decline as more surfers find these kinds of sites.

The sales you make from that site in my opinion are not worth the damage to your reputation, nor worth the risk of losing current affiliates.

It is your business and you'll decide what is best for your company, but I am asking you to look at this from another viewpoint since you seem to only be looking at the bottom line coming from a single source.. You need to consider the bigger picture..

I value your program as a source of revenue for my sites, however, I value the collaborative effort to fight content theft more because content theft affects my bottom line and it should concern you as well.

Someone who actually sends us traffic, voicing their opinion. The banners have been removed, and it's not because a bunch of people who've never sent us a single click, posted in a thread on GFY. It's because affiliates who've actually sent traffic and supported us, have voiced their oppositions.

Theirs are the only opinions that matter.

rcam · 10-05-2007, 12:36 PM

adultpaymassters & Python....... I dont get the answers I want in this thread, I´m getting more n more angry reading this,.... fuck off why am I going to send u my blood sweet and tears traffic if u dont give a shit fuck off,
Shap u got my vote!

SykkBoy · 10-05-2007, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcam

adultpaymassters & Python....... I dont get the answers I want in this thread, I´m getting more n more angry reading this,.... fuck off why am I going to send u my blood sweet and tears traffic if u dont give a shit fuck off,
Shap u got my vote!

Psst, read the post above yours...

BTW, have you sent us any traffic in the past?

DamageX · 10-05-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Someone who actually sends us traffic, voicing their opinion. The banners have been removed, and it's not because a bunch of people who've never sent us a single click, posted in a thread on GFY. It's because affiliates who've actually sent traffic and supported us, have voiced their oppositions.

Theirs are the only opinions that matter.

Translation:

Let's fuck with people see if anyone says anything, if they do we can always back down and apologize. If they don't, more money for us!

rcam · 10-05-2007, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

Psst, read the post above yours...

BTW, have you sent us any traffic in the past?

ah fock off, why should any webmaster support sponsors who dont give a shit
im soooo tired of this whining shit..baah

rcam · 10-05-2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Someone who actually sends us traffic, voicing their opinion. The banners have been removed, and it's not because a bunch of people who've never sent us a single click, posted in a thread on GFY. It's because affiliates who've actually sent traffic and supported us, have voiced their oppositions.

Theirs are the only opinions that matter.

ahh I cant stop, this post is so full of bull, u think adult webmasters is a bunch of idiots, to me and I think alot other, u have just proove u have bad business ethnics,

SykkBoy · 10-05-2007, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

Translation:

Let's fuck with people see if anyone says anything, if they do we can always back down and apologize. If they don't, more money for us!

No
Translation: Let's listen to our affiliates, the ones that send us traffic and have made us, and take it into consideration.

I got a couple emails and ICQs from affiliates and there were a few that posted here.

We're not here to be industry spoke people or industry leaders, we're here to make money and make our affiliates money.

Snake Doctor · 10-05-2007, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Someone who actually sends us traffic, voicing their opinion. The banners have been removed, and it's not because a bunch of people who've never sent us a single click, posted in a thread on GFY. It's because affiliates who've actually sent traffic and supported us, have voiced their oppositions.

Theirs are the only opinions that matter.

I can understand that point of view, however, let me play devil's advocate for a minute.

There are far many more people reading this board who are not currently your affiliates than there are people who are your affiliates. Many of them may base their decision on whether or not to ever become your affiliate on how you handle situations like this one.

There are alot of people trying to make an honest buck and losing market share to torrents/p2p type sites that steal content and advertise dating/cams/toys. Alot of us want to know whose side you're on and will choose to support those on the side of the honest webmaster.

fuzebox · 10-05-2007, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

For everyone getting moral, let me ask this: how many of you have paid for the copy of photoshop sitting on your computer?

I love this defense. Ever heard the expression "don't shit where you eat"?

fuckingfuck · 10-06-2007, 06:00 AM

Bumpy for Python

Fabien · 10-06-2007, 06:09 AM

Fuck big companies for me from now on.
I've been online for over 10 years now and i've had it !

Anyways, smaller programs with exclusive stuff/niche pulls better anyways.
Plus, it's less seen.

Very disapointed. Kinda shocked but everyone will fuck people more and more over the months/years

Only the strong will survive i guess.

Rui · 10-06-2007, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien

Fuck big companies for me from now on.
I've been online for over 10 years now and i've had it !

Anyways, smaller programs with exclusive stuff/niche pulls better anyways.
Plus, it's less seen.

Very disapointed. Kinda shocked but everyone will fuck people more and more over the months/years

Only the strong will survive i guess.

Amen to that (except some small exceptions)

SleazyDream · 10-06-2007, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Its really difficult to police thousands upon thousands of pages with nothing more than a referral url for those programs that even store that information. I don't think most of these sponsors have the manpower to look at all these pages for the obvious offenders that they rely on abuse complaints to do it. Not to mention the obvious bait and switch pages during business hours or other devious tactics. If these people are stealing content, they'll find a way to cover their tracks as well.
WG

well said.

smoker_420 · 10-06-2007, 07:43 AM

What if all affiliate programs start using DRM on their videos?

DamageX · 10-07-2007, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

No
Translation: Let's listen to our affiliates, the ones that send us traffic and have made us, and take it into consideration.

If you REALLY gave a fuck about how your affiliates feel about this then you would've asked them BEFORE you made a decision.

10-03-2007, 10:27 AM	#101
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Yeah I remember the old discussion of whether TGP's were hurting the business by giving away so many free samples with so few ads. At the time, a great many people wanted to try to shut down TGP's, and a few of us asked content providers to stop letting anyone with a web connection and a credit card to buy hardcore. Guess which side won? Neither. That is all. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

10-03-2007, 01:40 PM	#104
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	You should email support with the url's, and account numbers. If you have emailed us before about the same account, please absolutely note that too! However, we dont benefit from someone stealing someone elses exclusive content, and misleading a surfer into believing we have content which we dont. Even if we didnt hold thieves accountable, you dont think it benefit us to pay someone $30 for a $2.99 trial and a cancellation by a pissed surfer??? Again, please send us the links and numbers and we'll deal with the particular situation as it warrants. We absolutely take it seriously, and if it's a repeat offender even moreso. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

10-03-2007, 03:17 PM	#106
c-lo Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: On search pages, on ICQ @ 308 7 43669, and in the U.S. Posts: 925	AlienQ: There's a difference between a dumb marketing plan (TGPs) and downright theft. There's also a difference between sites that distribute copyrighted content of all sorts vs sites that distribute only copyrighted adult content, as far as this industry is concerned. Sadly, you were right that it is now the responsibility of content owners to get their content removed from thieving sites, however, that is not the way it should be. Content producers shouldn't have to play defense to an illegal, or at the very least immoral, business practice. Of course, these sites aren't going to go away - and we will eventually have to adapt or feel the financial burden of having an outdated marketing principle. Unfortunately, it appears that our options are to make selling harder on ourselves and decrease the amount of companies we can work with OR become obsolete. The TGP wasn't the deathnail for the industry, but who's to say that it will all come at once? As far as I can tell, the online adult industry has been slowly dying since it started. I imagine that within a few years the main marketing strategy for this industry will be one of embarassing simplicity, extreme oversaturation, and quite questionable principles. Just my opinion, though - only time will tell. __________________ The AlphaPhaze Network Traffic & Hardlink Trades \| Sponsors \| Resources The adult marketing network you can trust

10-04-2007, 07:17 PM	#110
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	This is akin to the so-called "hacked password" traffic, certainly similar in the sense of being an issue with strong ethical repurcussions. Both sides can artfully make arguments to say why their point of view is right, for bottom line profit motives, or concern for copyrights, or treatment of surfers, support of affiliates, etc. At the end of the day and the finish of the debate, the only thing that comes of it is seeing your competitor's strategies, and gauging their ethics. Threads like this are great for showing what side of the fence people are on and I learn more from these than any other about what kind of people I want to do business with. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

10-04-2007, 09:18 PM	#114
NinjaSteve Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 11,089	If a site is offering full site rips, why would their visitors buy a membership from a paysite anyway? __________________ ...

10-04-2007, 01:13 AM	#107
Aussie Rebel Blow Me U Geeks Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Maximum Security Posts: 5,108	Bump so python see's this

10-04-2007, 04:11 PM	#109
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	Bump ...

10-04-2007, 07:19 PM	#111
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	SykkBoy, I am an affiliate of Adult Paymaster. I am earning $19.75 per thousand uniques via your program. I value our business relationship even though it is a passive one, however, I'd like to offer my greivances in regards to this situation. I know you're thinking about your bottom line & the revenue generated from ads on such sites, however, this is a problem that affects all of our peers in this industry. Our nature in this business is to sell memberships. Those membership sales & retention have been on rapid decline since these tube & torrent sites started giving it all away for free and it affects everyone from the affiliate to the program owners & the content producers. How long will it take before there's a catastrophic failure to the business model of the online adult paysites. The only way to put a dent into these sites that push stolen content for free is to cut off their funding. These types of sites are not going to go away because it is profitable for them, so we as an industry, must all work together to fight this as a common cause and cut off their funding as well as continue to send DMCA notices etc, because these sites are a big threat to all of our livelihoods. Our incomes will continue to decline as more surfers find these kinds of sites. The sales you make from that site in my opinion are not worth the damage to your reputation, nor worth the risk of losing current affiliates. It is your business and you'll decide what is best for your company, but I am asking you to look at this from another viewpoint since you seem to only be looking at the bottom line coming from a single source.. You need to consider the bigger picture.. I value your program as a source of revenue for my sites, however, I value the collaborative effort to fight content theft more because content theft affects my bottom line and it should concern you as well.

10-05-2007, 11:02 AM	#118
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	well said spacedog and Far-L! I learn so much from threads like these. __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

10-05-2007, 12:36 PM	#121
rcam Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 51	adultpaymassters & Python....... I dont get the answers I want in this thread, I´m getting more n more angry reading this,.... fuck off why am I going to send u my blood sweet and tears traffic if u dont give a shit fuck off, Shap u got my vote!

10-06-2007, 06:00 AM	#129
fuckingfuck Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 521	Bumpy for Python

10-06-2007, 06:09 AM	#130
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Fuck big companies for me from now on. I've been online for over 10 years now and i've had it ! Anyways, smaller programs with exclusive stuff/niche pulls better anyways. Plus, it's less seen. Very disapointed. Kinda shocked but everyone will fuck people more and more over the months/years Only the strong will survive i guess.

10-06-2007, 07:43 AM	#133
smoker_420 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 60	What if all affiliate programs start using DRM on their videos? __________________