Yeah that must be it! :anon

SykkBoy2 - So I assume you endorse the use of all your sites content for promotion of content theft and push other programs, nice!

For some reason ya guys think that companies that are promoted on Places like Web boards, and video sites some how sponsor content theft.

I still do not get this concept. If you see content that is yours being stolen its on you to recoup on the matter, hell maybe provide more content to those places, provide for them to generate sales to your program verses the ones smart enough to know where the traffic is going these days. Authorise them to use content you allow them to and gain an affiliate.


Ya people will never ever beat content theft, the only way around this is to be sure to have a link on sites that appearently take content, Email them ask em to become and affilaite and give them shit to promote you.

Brand all your content.

Let me repeat...

None of you will ever ever ever beat content theft. It's a fact.
The sooner it is realised maybe the sooner you can find ways to benefit from it.

I do not engage in Content theft to promote, but the fucken genie is out of the lamp and has been on the loose for quite sometime.

Adapt.

I remember people whinning about TGP's a long time ago, supposedly TGP's were the deathnail of the industry, and I guess to a Degree it was, this industry is constantly dieing a little every day.

However it does not mean things can not be worked with or figured out.

I will go a little bit further int he history of Destructive TGP's.

TGP's were said to utilise stolen content, redivert traffic, shave one another, use hit bots and all manor of scummy shit. They didnt kill the industry it hurt but it didnt kill it. Another fact is this industry is not going to die because of fucking Video Sites, or Web boards that post stolen content.

News groups were out before any of this shit was and people were able to to download all manor of content they wanted from News Groups, come to think of it, people still do!

Why not wage a war against News groups? they been around longer than video sites and frankly better than video sites, and web boards.

Why not go all the way to the top of the matter and knock off Usenet? Odd's are they got more stolen content than anyone running some stupid video sites.

Stolen content is not right but it is a fact, and I believe the generation of video sites is no different than what TGP's were back in the day when everyone talked mad shit about them comming into the scene.

TGP's still do the scummy shit since 1996 and even worse. the video sites are just a step faster than TGP's. It's the next generation for free entertainment.

Work with it because really you got no choice.

Some people bucked TGP's and they lost money because of it.
Sure they slammed the guys running TGP's, but after while they figured out how to make money with them. TGP webmasters were the scum of the earth at one time....

Just like VIdeo site guys are today, but i can guarantee you they will be the new winners and heroes tomarrow.

Adapt?

How? By creating an even bigger torrent site with more free full films to download?

That's the most idiotic thing people keep writing.

Adn lastly...

Shap, even you were a TGP webmaster back in the day and still to this day.
Albeit a good one that was and still fair but still...

You are one of the guys that forced other companies to give you content for free and you took it and used it to make a buck.
Some people would not go to promote on TGP's and you know and I know they are the guys that lost money while you made deals with companies and webmaster's that submitted content and ended up pulling out ahead.

Sure it was shitty then but it is still no different than today.

If you are to stupid to not be able to figure out how after what I said above you might want to just hit up Wendy's tomarrow.

Cuz you are not cut out for this game.

Can you show me one TGP in the past that offered full site rips?

Why a TGP?

Go check USENET.
Find almost any porn ya want or mainstream movie.
I bet one can find many TGP's that utilise stolen content still and even illegal content.

I will make my stance known I am for the thread starter and agents any Co.
trying to Profit off the Backs of others Threw the Way of Stolen Content
this is just plane wrong as I sed before with AVN-Ad's/AdBright I will say it
here Cut this Shit out your only destroying the Industry that some of US
Love .

Why TGP? Because thats what you were referring to in your other posts, And yes I agree there are tons of tgp's out there with stolen content, but none with full site rips like torrent sites have. Usenet has always been huge source for stolen content and is another problem our industry has to deal with unfortunately

Companies like Mega Erotic are thriving, as is places like you porn.
Figure out why.
Here I will tell you. The Full rip video sites, they have no income and the ones that actively steal are a faulty business model. One or two silly ad's can not hold up to the downloaded traffic.
Sure they might pop up but eventually a working business model will resolve itself and that business model is to see who puts up content and pays.
Those that put up content stand to win, while the ones that don't only stand to lose. Just like TGP's.

Putting up content content that pays is the incentive for video sites to begin regulating. There will be more failures in the attempt but the long lasting ones are the ones that cut deal's with participating sponsors that send in content with banners everywhere.

Lastly the internet is past the archive age, it has become the here and now age. If the shit is old and jaded...
Even if the whole fucking site is given out for free.
No one wants it anyways.

Real paying customers want fresh and new and the now...

yuo have missed the point on every level

please go back to sleep

AlienQ - quiet possibly the dumbest mother fucker ever to hit this board.

Let the record show that AlienQ suggests the way to beat torrent sites is to provide them with more content.

Wow thats a genius at work right there :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why do you think he's broke? :)

<--- taking notes :)

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/profil...ignore&u=18793

Its no even worth it to spend your time reading his posts :winkwink::thumbsup

There is a huge difference between a tgp that displays content of a site and then sends the surfer directly to that site and a site like tnaflix that show my content and sends them to python. With your experience you should get that i would hope.

Yeah I remember the old discussion of whether TGP's were hurting the business by giving away so many free samples with so few ads. At the time, a great many people wanted to try to shut down TGP's, and a few of us asked content providers to stop letting anyone with a web connection and a credit card to buy hardcore. Guess which side won? Neither. That is all.

I'm sorry but Pimproll also benefits from stolen content.

I and many other people reported twice a big time thief and all you did was to ask him to remove some sample URLs I sent you rather than closing his account. The same person still has hundreds of galleries with stolen content.

Interesting. :)

You should email support with the url's, and account numbers. If you have emailed us before about the same account, please absolutely note that too!

However, we dont benefit from someone stealing someone elses exclusive content, and misleading a surfer into believing we have content which we dont. Even if we didnt hold thieves accountable, you dont think it benefit us to pay someone $30 for a $2.99 trial and a cancellation by a pissed surfer???

Again, please send us the links and numbers and we'll deal with the particular situation as it warrants. We absolutely take it seriously, and if it's a repeat offender even moreso.

Alot of programs turn a blind eye to this shit if they are making money:( or they close the account and give them a new one

AlienQ: There's a difference between a dumb marketing plan (TGPs) and downright theft. There's also a difference between sites that distribute copyrighted content of all sorts vs sites that distribute only copyrighted adult content, as far as this industry is concerned.

Sadly, you were right that it is now the responsibility of content owners to get their content removed from thieving sites, however, that is not the way it should be. Content producers shouldn't have to play defense to an illegal, or at the very least immoral, business practice.

Of course, these sites aren't going to go away - and we will eventually have to adapt or feel the financial burden of having an outdated marketing principle. Unfortunately, it appears that our options are to make selling harder on ourselves and decrease the amount of companies we can work with OR become obsolete.

The TGP wasn't the deathnail for the industry, but who's to say that it will all come at once? As far as I can tell, the online adult industry has been slowly dying since it started.

I imagine that within a few years the main marketing strategy for this industry will be one of embarassing simplicity, extreme oversaturation, and quite questionable principles.

Just my opinion, though - only time will tell.

Bump so python see's this

They have seen it, they don't give a fuck.

Bump ...

This is akin to the so-called "hacked password" traffic, certainly similar in the sense of being an issue with strong ethical repurcussions. Both sides can artfully make arguments to say why their point of view is right, for bottom line profit motives, or concern for copyrights, or treatment of surfers, support of affiliates, etc. At the end of the day and the finish of the debate, the only thing that comes of it is seeing your competitor's strategies, and gauging their ethics. Threads like this are great for showing what side of the fence people are on and I learn more from these than any other about what kind of people I want to do business with.:2 cents:

SykkBoy,

I am an affiliate of Adult Paymaster.

I am earning $19.75 per thousand uniques via your program.
I value our business relationship even though it is a passive one, however, I'd like to offer my greivances in regards to this situation.

I know you're thinking about your bottom line & the revenue generated from ads on such sites, however, this is a problem that affects all of our peers in this industry.

Our nature in this business is to sell memberships. Those membership sales & retention have been on rapid decline since these tube & torrent sites started giving it all away for free and it affects everyone from the affiliate to the program owners & the content producers.

How long will it take before there's a catastrophic failure to the business model of the online adult paysites.

The only way to put a dent into these sites that push stolen content for free is to cut off their funding. These types of sites are not going to go away because it is profitable for them, so we as an industry, must all work together to fight this as a common cause and cut off their funding as well as continue to send DMCA notices etc, because these sites are a big threat to all of our livelihoods. Our incomes will continue to decline as more surfers find these kinds of sites.

The sales you make from that site in my opinion are not worth the damage to your reputation, nor worth the risk of losing current affiliates.

It is your business and you'll decide what is best for your company, but I am asking you to look at this from another viewpoint since you seem to only be looking at the bottom line coming from a single source.. You need to consider the bigger picture..

I value your program as a source of revenue for my sites, however, I value the collaborative effort to fight content theft more because content theft affects my bottom line and it should concern you as well.

Well written but seriously theres not a chance in hell he doesn't understand that.

He, like most people driven by greed, is only interested in the bottom line.

Its the 'hey I got to make money who cares who I screw in the process' disease.

You are a wise one:)

If a site is offering full site rips, why would their visitors buy a membership from a paysite anyway?

Actually, 10 years ago that's what all the big TGP's were doing. This was before the days of good members area security. They'd post the members area URL.

If an entire members area can be ripped and shared on bit torrent, I'd say the site owner has more to worry about than content theft. The good members areas (less than 1% of all paysites) are impossible to effectively share on torrents since they are so big.

This is really where good paysites have an advantage over the DVD guys. Someone would have to be constantly ripping and submitting the new updates to feed the surfers.

Cheer up man. Aren't you about done paying off the FTC fine?

well said spacedog and Far-L! I learn so much from threads like these. :)

Almost, thanks for asking :thumbsup

Someone who actually sends us traffic, voicing their opinion. The banners have been removed, and it's not because a bunch of people who've never sent us a single click, posted in a thread on GFY. It's because affiliates who've actually sent traffic and supported us, have voiced their oppositions.

Theirs are the only opinions that matter.