GatorB

Even if Denis Kucinich is the nominee

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Republicans blocked a plan on Wednesday to give U.S. troops in Iraq more home leave......


It had been offered by Sen. Jim Webb, a decorated Vietnam veteran and former Navy secretary. The Democrat said U.S. troops are being "burned out" by repeated redeployments to Iraq, with tours of up to 15 months and less than a year off in between."

tony286

well its easy to be tough when you arent in the fight. I think it should be like the old days, a king wanted to go to war he was in the front of the line.

angelsofporn

Well, if somehow Ron Paul gets the nomination i honestly think he is the only none that can beat hitlery or obama.

tony286

the one I wish is Micheal Bloomberg,he would use his own money and wouldnt owe special interest once he became president.

After Shock Media

They need to and want to loose.
How else can they blame all of the past eight years on the Dems if they get another four?

Plus there is just to much shit to be uncovered and fixed by whatever poor soul who gets the office, that the GOP know better than to actual grab it.

Tony404 I would like to see a Micheal/Arnold ticket. I mean Arnold can be a VP cant he? I do not recall any rules prohibiting it directly, though it would cause a legal battle. Yet neither need special interest groups and both can use their own money.

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Digipimp

i would like to see them get rid of the president and have something more like parliament. in addition i'd like us to have a king who has no power but is just a figurehead. i'd have him picked by a reality television show and start our own royals.

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tony286

That would be a great ticket, I think they can do that. They should change that law, like Arnold has some hidden loyalty to Austria. lol

LiveDose

The 2008 election is up in the air. A bunch of fuckin' morons on both sides.

It's pathetic.

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fuzzylogic

lol

spacedog

Hillary = Bad for the country
Obama = Bad for the country
Bloomberg = Our country will be ruined & completely fucked!


All 3 of the above want to enact laws to restrict & strip your constitutional rights.


Voting for Bloomberg is pretty much like asking for another Hitler

baddog

And if Bloomberg died, or had to go in for surgery, who would be President?

baddog

Vote him in as your governor then

pocketkangaroo

What laws would restrict our constitutional rights? Democrats have been more respectful of the Constitution than Republicans over the past decade.

And anyways, why does everyone always bring up the Constitution like it was some fabulous document with the best interest of us in mind?

spacedog

All 3 of those candidates are against the 2nd amendment & want to strip americans of the right to bear arms.

pocketkangaroo

Have you looked at how many constitutional rights you've lost under this administration and Republican rule?

baddog

What rights have you experienced loss of?

Vendzilla

Fred for president;;; http://fred08.com

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

pocketkangaroo

I haven't experienced anything, then again I am a meaningless cog in society (although I would have no knowledge whether my banking, library, telephone records were viewed by the government without a warrant). But as for rights that have been taken away under the administration, I'll start with the right to protest, habeas corpus, searched and seizure without a warrant.

pocketkangaroo

Just what America needs, a lobbyist as President.

Mr Steele

I'd love to see Ron Paul get the nomination and be able to debate Hillary or Obama, I can almost guarrantee that the GOP would win then

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pocketkangaroo

I like Paul and some of his ideas, but he doesn't practice what he preaches. He grabs earmarks just like the rest of them and spends like a drunken sailor in his district.

mikesouth

OK yall...civics lesson

Arnold Can't be VP because to be VP you have to meet the requirements to be President should the need arise best arnold could hope for is speaker of the house putting him 3rd in line BUT being that he wouldnt qualify it would go to senate speaker pro tem

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Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

spacedog

I understand you're argument, however, I'm not looking at party affiliation, only the candidates individually.

2nd amendment rights are very important to me & within the shooting sports community, heavy opposition is being brought against Hillary, Obama & especially Bloomberg..


To anyone that enjoys hunting, competitive sports shooting, or recreational range shooting, or any other lawful activities related to firearms, the above 3 candidates pose a very significant & real threat.

After Shock Media

Nothing is perfect and our constitution did not cover such an issue. It however did cover who could be president. So it would be up for legal debate like I said.

Following your logic what if the President and the Vice President both had issues at same time and the speaker of the house was not born in the US?

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mikesouth

Ok Baddog

lost the fourth amendment right of due process (patriot act, 2257 among others)

lost the first amendment right of free speech (free spech "zones")

lost the right to habeas corpus (patriot act)

theres more but thats a good start

If this president was around in a different time he'd have been executed for treason.

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Mike South

It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

Mr Steele

I don't believe that's exactly the case.. just one of the cursory talking points they try to paint negatively about him. I don't trust any other candidate personally.

"If Ron Paul's biggest skeleton in the closet is the amount of money his district spends on shrimp research, then the establishment media are going to have a difficult time maintaining their assault on his credibility..."

"Paul then votes against the very bills containing his earmarks as unconstitutional. If they do pass over his "no" vote, he appropriately wants some of the taxes taken from his constituents returned to his district. Simple, fair and principled if you ask me."

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.co...tack-dogs.html

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst061807.htm

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baddog

President of the Senate pro tempore
Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Secretary of Defense

etc, etc

pocketkangaroo

I agree. I wish I could have a gun in Chicago for protection.

pocketkangaroo

I'd disagree about this statement. We have had Presidents do much worse. Remember that Lincoln and Grant both suspended Habeas Corpus under their power. Even Clinton put a wrench in it after the Oklahoma City bombings.

As for other powers, remember that we've had Sedition Acts in this country for most of its existence. We had Presidents denounce Native Americans as lesser beings, forced them to move West, and locked up or hung any Americans who associated with them. We had President's make laws barring poor whites from conversing with blacks and even drinking from the same fountain. They didn't allow women to vote or even own property, and wars that required drafts allowed the rich to buy their way out.

Our rights have been trampled on throughout this country's existence. Heck, we technically don't even elect our own President. I think you can point to any point in time in our country's history and find a President or government trying to eliminate or reduce someone's rights.

Vendzilla

I actually like his stand on several things, here's a list
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson.htm

I think we'll see a run between him and Hillary

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think about that

Snake Doctor

I'm in favor of Webb's bill, but then again I'm against the war in the first place.

I think the way the republicans are thinking is that if this became law it would be a backdoor way of forcing the president to cut the number of troops in Iraq, and they're not ready to do that yet.

spacedog

Thank you for the link.... Just convinced me to support this guy

Guess for me, the choices are now Fred Thompson or Ron Paul, but realistically, I think Thompson is more capable.

GatorB

You're nuts if you think Fred should be President. Have had him a senator I certainly don't want him as President. Hell his own kid hated him so much she blew hers brains outs rather than to put up with his shit.

Vendzilla

get your facts straight

The Tennessean in Nashville reported Saturday that Panici's death was the result of an accidental drug overdose. The newspaper report cited a medical examiner's report and toxicology tests showing six times the lethal level of the painkiller hydrocodone in her blood when she arrived at the hospital emergency room.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

spacedog

Perhaps...

I'll have to take a look at candidates on a case by case basis & see their views & stand on particular issues that are important to me..

Issues that I'll be considering as favorable are:

PRO 2nd ammendment / Against stricter gun control

Anti Immigration / we need TOUGHER, STRICTER immigration policies.

Foreign Policy / We need to spend less time on foreign policy, foreign aid, etc & concentrate more on domestic issues.

Economy / Free trade --- This country needs to do less importing & regain a strong economy & regain consumer confidence in american manufacturing & production as well as boost american exportation.


Health care & education // USA should be on par with Switzerland & Canada in respects to education & health care policy

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EonBlue

Right to protest taken away? What do you think these moonbats are doing?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mBmcjS6bd9g

Vendzilla

They need to enforce the laws on the books, but they do need to keep guns from people that are not citizens
Immigration is good, as long as it's legal, we need to control our borders, not offer amnesty for illegal immigrants

Nafta needs to be overhauled, a new Toyota is put together in the US, a new Dodge is done in Mexico
Our healthcare is a mess, hilary and bill played with our medical system first and see what it got us?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

GatorB

first of all you clearly never unsderstood the actual intent of the 2nd admendment. That aside are you a criminal do you plan on commiting crimes witha gubn. An HONEST citzen wouldn't have any fear of any sticter gun control laws. So ths makes me wonder about you. Do you deal drugs or other illegal activity? I'm sure if someone said to you they were in facor of lesser punisment on ban robbery you'd be inclined to think they might intend to rob a bank.

Also you're obvious lack of knowledge on how out government s works is appearant because 2nd Admenment issues are red herrings the powers that be use to fool the ignorant into voting for them. Millions of ingorant rednecks were fooled into not voting for Gore or Kerry on the misconception that they would "take away their guns"

DaddyHalbucks

It's a little early to start gloating.

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esnem

What's funny is that this country was started by guys just like that.

GatorB

No they didn't. Were you 5 when he was president? Because your recollection of history is faulty. Als LEARN how the government works.

Brad

He should still be. The only problem is that no one has the balls to do anything to him these days. No one wants to rock the boat anymore.

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Vendzilla

My recollection is just fine, I was well into voting age, I voted for the other guy. They did try to change things with health care, it didn't work, after that, it got worse, it got a lot worse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

The Clinton health care plan remains the most prominent national proposal associated with Hillary Clinton, and may influence her prospects in the 2008 presidential election. There are some similarities between the Clinton Health Plan and Republican Mitt Romney's health care plan that has been implemented in Massachusetts[4][26], though Romney has since distanced himself from Clinton on the issue.[27] According to Bill Maher, Clinton's attempts to distance herself from the original plan (stating in one debate, "We tried that in '93, and I've got the scars to prove it") are unwise because, in his view, she should be reminding other candidates of such similarities:[28]

“ And Hillary Clinton – I’ve heard her recently say, "Oh, yeah, we made a lot of mistakes back when I was doing health care; oh, I shouldn't have done this." [...] Instead of saying, "You know what? I kind of had it right back then, and you idiots went along with 'Harry and Louise', which were ads bought by the insurance companies." [...] And if you look at the plans that the other people have come up with, they're basically the same plan that she proposed. [...] And she's giving life to the lie.

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think about that

baddog

You truly are an idiot, aren't you?

baddog

Gator's brother

GigoloMason

I think given your stance you might be the one that doesn't understand the original intent of the second amendmant.

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pocketkangaroo

Look up "free speech zones".

Wizzo

HOLY FUCKING RETARDS BATMAN!! There's enough bullshit retardedness in this thread to fuel GFY for a year...HAHA

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