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MetaMan 09-18-2007 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster (Post 13104922)
I know the persona that he wants to exhibit, I agree that is all. But I've seen enough of his posts to know that when it comes to the police, he rarely shows any rational reasoning behind his thoughts. In fact, he comes off as a kicking, screaming, impetuous child.

you call fletch a child but then arent you the one who comes onto a public forum whining about being snubbed by someone you know off the internet?

you are the one who is childish, you are also a fat idiot you make me sick.

Penthouse Tony 09-18-2007 12:01 PM

The guy fucked up.

They tried to walk him out and he resisted and actually moved toward the stage. Then they try to carry him out and he screams more and tries to make a public spectacle of the cops doing their jobs. He's still resisting so they get him on the ground. Again he still thinks he's in control by trying to dictate how they are going to handcuff him, telling them to let him stand first. Once they get one handcuff on he resists again with the other hand and they had to bring the taszer out.

pornguy 09-18-2007 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 13105682)
i dont care wtf your job is you unrightfully put your hands on me and i will be throwing punches.

no one and i mean no one comes up and touches me for no good reason. i dont care if you are just trying to do your job, you come up and touch me (assault) i will be the one to escalate it.

Man I would love to see you do that with the cops.


What a fucking joke. You talk shot now, but when faced with the same situation, you would do like most. NOTHING. Or what little he did.

D 09-18-2007 12:04 PM

Fucked Up.

I don't care how disruptive he was prior to the incident... the catalyst in taking him down appears to have been asking his question... because before he did, he was free to wonder about.

And that's fucked up.

:2 cents:

MetaMan 09-18-2007 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 13105701)
Man I would love to see you do that with the cops.


What a fucking joke. You talk shot now, but when faced with the same situation, you would do like most. NOTHING. Or what little he did.

i am 6'3 225 i would like to see the cops jump on me again.

i have been assaulted by cops before, it is not talk, i do not trust them at all. if someone assaulted me i would not call the cops, if someone robbed from me i would not call the cops, they simply cannot be trusted.

you people are idiots who are saying it is in anyway ok, this was a public forum and just because people do not like what he has to say does not mean they have the right to cut him off. it is not like he came in there spouting swears, it seemed he actually planned and was prepared for it.

open your brain you are the type to give up your freedoms just because people in authority tell you it is the right thing to do.

you idiots are the reason freedom of speech is going down the toilet and then when you have no rights left you start to wonder what happened.

Penthouse Tony 09-18-2007 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 13105682)
i dont care wtf your job is you unrightfully put your hands on me and i will be throwing punches.

no one and i mean no one comes up and touches me for no good reason. i dont care if you are just trying to do your job, you come up and touch me (assault) i will be the one to escalate it.

They had a good reason. The guy broke into someones forum and tried to hijack it. They told him to speed up and he didn't. He is not entitled his long ass questions. Free speech is granted out on the street not in someone else's forum.

pornguy 09-18-2007 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 13105722)
i am 6'3 225 i would like to see the cops jump on me again.

i have been assaulted by cops before, it is not talk, i do not trust them at all. if someone assaulted me i would not call the cops, if someone robbed from me i would not call the cops, they simply cannot be trusted.

you people are idiots who are saying it is in anyway ok, this was a public forum and just because people do not like what he has to say does not mean they have the right to cut him off. it is not like he came in there spouting swears, it seemed he actually planned and was prepared for it.

open your brain you are the type to give up your freedoms just because people in authority tell you it is the right thing to do.

you idiots are the reason freedom of speech is going down the toilet and then when you have no rights left you start to wonder what happened.



I dont care how big you are, or think you are. That kid was big, and did you see the black cop pick him up and start walking out with him.

Better think twice before you mess with some one. And just because you are big dont mean shit.

While I agree that many Americans have given up freedoms, he was asked by someone from the event, and he puched them away and said no. the told the first arriving officer no, he would not leave. When he said no, he was resisting a lawful command by an officer.

Keep in mind that the officers are agents of the event organisers. they asked him to leave and he refused, then the cops stepped in, ONLY to enforce the will of the organisers.

MetaMan 09-18-2007 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 13105746)
I dont care how big you are, or think you are. That kid was big, and did you see the black cop pick him up and start walking out with him.

Better think twice before you mess with some one. And just because you are big dont mean shit.

While I agree that many Americans have given up freedoms, he was asked by someone from the event, and he puched them away and said no. the told the first arriving officer no, he would not leave. When he said no, he was resisting a lawful command by an officer.

Keep in mind that the officers are agents of the event organisers. they asked him to leave and he refused, then the cops stepped in, ONLY to enforce the will of the organisers.

i am not saying i can take on 6 cops, but the hell if i am not going to put up a fight when they assault me.

you have rights and i will do whatever it takes to stand up for them.

i do not see anything that this kid was doing wrong, this is supposed to be america, different views are what made this country what it is today.

i simply cannot believe people are saying he was somehow in the wrong.

well i dont agree with his points it is obvious he at least did research and came prepared. like i said it would have been much different if he came in and just started to curse. again he obviously was prepared and just because people dont like what he has to say does not mean they have the right to shut him down.

i dont care how many cops told him to stop, im glad he stood up for his rights.

some of you people need to move to a communist country because you are the types that are sending the freedoms for the rest of us down the drain.

there is no blurry lines of what happened here, this is total black and white. they dont even taze some robbery suspects. have u ever been tazed? let me tell you it is not fun.

RAM 09-18-2007 12:19 PM

You see how fat and out of shape those Cops/security gaurds ?
To use a teaser on that guy was WAY WRONG...how many of those fat fucks does it take to remove one person...come on

baddog 09-18-2007 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 13105770)
you have rights and i will do whatever it takes to stand up for them.

Resisting arrest is not one of them, nor is trespassing.

RAM 09-18-2007 12:21 PM

IMHO it was use of exsive force. Better to have punch him or put him in a submission hold then to Teaser him..or stun gun shit...

pornguy 09-18-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 13105770)
i am not saying i can take on 6 cops, but the hell if i am not going to put up a fight when they assault me.

you have rights and i will do whatever it takes to stand up for them.

i do not see anything that this kid was doing wrong, this is supposed to be america, different views are what made this country what it is today.

i simply cannot believe people are saying he was somehow in the wrong.

well i dont agree with his points it is obvious he at least did research and came prepared. like i said it would have been much different if he came in and just started to curse. again he obviously was prepared and just because people dont like what he has to say does not mean they have the right to shut him down.

i dont care how many cops told him to stop, im glad he stood up for his rights.

some of you people need to move to a communist country because you are the types that are sending the freedoms for the rest of us down the drain.

there is no blurry lines of what happened here, this is total black and white. they dont even taze some robbery suspects. have u ever been tazed? let me tell you it is not fun.



Have you read some of the statments about how he as chased into the area, avoided the search area and then pushed someone else out of the way to get to the microphone??? Now if he had done that to you, what would you have done. Would you have wanted the cops to remove his ass, so that you could exercise your right to speak?? Does his right to speak over rule yours??

On top of that he was not there JUST to ask questions, he said him self that he would educate the other people, and then ask his questions.

The forum was for his QUESTIONS, not his opinions.

nico-t 09-18-2007 12:26 PM

i read the first post and saw thew video and i could already dream what baddogs view on this was... i was right LOL

RAM 09-18-2007 12:27 PM

wow watch this one
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7NWukZhsiBw&NR=1

is a little longer and shows that they do arrest him....how lame is that

RAM 09-18-2007 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 13105803)
Have you read some of the statments about how he as chased into the area, avoided the search area and then pushed someone else out of the way to get to the microphone??? Now if he had done that to you, what would you have done. Would you have wanted the cops to remove his ass, so that you could exercise your right to speak?? Does his right to speak over rule yours??

On top of that he was not there JUST to ask questions, he said him self that he would educate the other people, and then ask his questions.

The forum was for his QUESTIONS, not his opinions.



I think he needed to be removed...but they used Exessive Force :2 cents:

Phoenix 09-18-2007 12:31 PM

seems the president of the school seemed to thnk it was an open discussion

i imagine they willbe paying out..and looking for new security gaurds

whoever thought at a university you would get tasered for asking the hard questions....unreal

Jim_Gunn 09-18-2007 12:34 PM

The guy got what he deserved. His questions were fine, but if he pushed his way in there with no security check on his person and he overstayed his welcome at the mic they have a right to ask him to leave. When he resisted the cops both on his feet and on teh ground they have to wrestle him, and yes even taser him if he doesn't comply.

st0ned 09-18-2007 12:35 PM

Wow what the fuck is wrong with that guy?

pornguy 09-18-2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RAM (Post 13105843)
I think he needed to be removed...but they used Exessive Force :2 cents:

With cops, when they do the job right, and I am NOT defending all cops. But these guys appeared to do it right., They ALLOW the SUBJECT to dictate the amount of force necessary to subdue him.

Ayla_SquareTurtle 09-18-2007 12:38 PM

I think the fact that they released him without charge speaks volumes. If he had "wounded" the officers, wouldn't he be charged with assaulting a police officer?

hottoddy 09-18-2007 12:44 PM

Well deserved. The cry babies would probably scream louder if he was punched, clubbed or physically restrained any harder. How many chances did he get to comply? I count at least half a dozen incidents of resistance. He clearly set the whole thing up so he could throw as big of tantrum as possible. His buddy was probably filming. What an ass.

pornguy 09-18-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle (Post 13105899)
I think the fact that they released him without charge speaks volumes. If he had "wounded" the officers, wouldn't he be charged with assaulting a police officer?

Why would he need to wound them for them to use force on him??? He refused to leave, and was disrupting a conference, and was asked to leave.

Fletch XXX 09-18-2007 12:49 PM

(wrong thread)))

pocketkangaroo 09-18-2007 12:49 PM

I have no problem with bashing cops for being on power trips and I frequently do. But this kid deserved what he got. He refused to leave, resisted arrest, and deserved to get tasered.

pornguy 09-18-2007 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13105951)
I have no problem with bashing cops for being on power trips and I frequently do. But this kid deserved what he got. He refused to leave, resisted arrest, and deserved to get tasered.

I agree, and am glad that you and many of the other cop bashers realize when the bad guy is wrong.

I find it truly sad that a lot of the bashing comes from lack of knowing what happened or why.

nosey 09-18-2007 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RAM (Post 13105837)
wow watch this one
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7NWukZhsiBw&NR=1

is a little longer and shows that they do arrest him....how lame is that

"ask them where I am, cause there going to try and kill me, there going to try and kill me"

wow :1orglaugh what a nut

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ntionWhore.jpg

CDSmith 09-18-2007 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow (Post 13105634)
how did he bring it on himself?? are we not supposed to question men that aspire to the highest position of power in the country (and maybe even world) ???

Question, yes. But he wasn't giving the guy the opportunity to answer any of his questions at all. He was obviously hijacking the whole forum to further his own agenda of throwing ridicule and conspiracy theories at the guy on stage, something the forum organizers disapproved of. Like I said, they gave him a fair amount of time to ask a question, and after that time elapsed he was first asked to stop. Then he was asked again to stop. Had he chose at that point to shut up and let the guy on stage respond to his accusations and questions he probably wouldn't have even been escorted out, but he chose to push the officer away and instead continued babbling on like an overbearing idiot.

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow (Post 13105634)
that kid wasnt "resisting", resisting would have been punching some fucking cops in the face...if you call that kid trying to pull his arm out from being subdued then thats crazy..those assholes had no reason to forcefully manhandle him like that, are we living in fucking north korea now??

:disgust


It was only after being asked to stop repeatedly that he was forcibly removed from the microphone area at which point he struggled and resisted attempts to remove him from the theatre. If you don't go in a compliant manner YOU ARE RESISTING, period. At that point it was the officers mandate to remove the disturbance (him) with as much force as his actions dictated.

And again, at the risk of repeating myself for those whose reading comprehension may not be up to par, I don't say I necessarily agree with the tazering. What I was attempting to say is that it is common knowledge that when someone resists arrest/removal etc, officers often use force to make you comply. Since that is common knowledge, THAT is how this kid brought it on himself.

In other words, don't want the tazer? Don't want the pepper spray? Don't want to be taken down to the ground and have your face pushed in the dirt and your arms pinned behind you like a suckling pig? Then stop resisting you dumb shit.

Better to go quietly and have your lawyer do the fighting for you later.

Matt 26z 09-18-2007 01:07 PM

I just love campus security. They are the same everywhere too. Could be a huge university or your local community college. They all need a broom up their ass.

ProducerCashDave 09-18-2007 01:07 PM

The douchebag deserved it..

He cried like a little bitch too:1orglaugh

I would probably too if I got shocked with 50k volts, but thats just me:Oh crap

justsexxx 09-18-2007 01:10 PM

AMERICA IS GREAT!!!! whahahah, I love that Anthony guy from GFY...He is sooo smart...

lol lol

CDSmith 09-18-2007 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 13105682)
i dont care wtf your job is you unrightfully put your hands on me and i will be throwing punches.

no one and i mean no one comes up and touches me for no good reason. i dont care if you are just trying to do your job, you come up and touch me (assault) i will be the one to escalate it.

Unrightfully, I agree. But that wasn't the case here. (see my above post)


Among my years of security work was over 10 years doing concert security at all the large outdoor music festivals in Manitoba including the massive Sunfest, countryfest, and the Classic rock fest in Minnedosa. My friend, I can guarantee you that if I saw you in my vicinity of the crowd causing a disturbance I WOULD walk you out of the place, either with your cooperation or without it.

Now, you can choose to think otherwise, that you're a big man and wouldn't go, but I know you'd be out of there. And it wouldn't take 6 others to help me.

You have no idea how many guys I've dealt with over the years. I admit a tazer would have come in handy on 1 or 2 occasions, but we got by without them.


This "nobody puts their fucking hand on ME" attitude is a childish ridiculous one, but is fine to have as long as you conduct yourself in a respectful manner and play within the rules of whatever event you're at and don't give law enforcement types cause to come after you.

I suspect that people with such an attitude are probably in for a very rude awakening at some point in their lives.

Matt 26z 09-18-2007 01:20 PM

I don't see a problem with an outraged American making their feelings known to an elected official, no matter how agressive or animated they become. Fact is, if he had been speaking in a calm tone of voice they would have let him talk for much longer than he did.

What this boils down to is campus security (the biggest wannabie police officers there are) waiting for drama to happen and then developing the "I'm gonna get me some!" attitude. The security guard who tasered him, that's the same person who if they were a real cop would shoot someone and then say their cellphone looked like a gun. Obviously very trigger happy.

Brad 09-18-2007 01:21 PM

I don't think we have the whole story on this one. If he did in fact come in and was not wanted there or searched then he was in the wrong.

What I find weird is that it took more than one guy to subdue that guy. I mean he was small and didn't seem to interested in actually getting away. I don't think that he should have been tasered when he was already subdued but that's the way the cookie crumbled. The cops abused their power as usual...nothing new to this story.

From watching the video it didn't seem to me that he had any intention of having his questions answered. Instead he choose to just continue to talk at will. I won't lie, that kind of shit is annoying to everyone there. He's lucky a fellow student didn't KO him before campus cops could get to him.

georgeyw 09-18-2007 01:23 PM

I'm actually surprised to see the number of people who think this guy got what he deserved.

What did he do wrong that required the police to subdue him in? I just see a loud mouth trying to stir up kerry. Where is the crime there?

theking 09-18-2007 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 13104611)
See for ya self, only in America :disgust

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SaiWCS10C5s

Ahh...no...it was not for asking a question. Nice try on misinforming people with your spin.

Brad 09-18-2007 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 13106149)
I'm actually surprised to see the number of people who think this guy got what he deserved.

What did he do wrong that required the police to subdue him in? I just see a loud mouth trying to stir up kerry. Where is the crime there?

Well, I guess he wasn't supposed to be there in the first place and never went through the mandatory security checks. Also, there were people who were there to listen, ask reasonable and intelligent questions and learn. This guy fucked that up for all of them.

georgeyw 09-18-2007 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 13106173)
Well, I guess he wasn't supposed to be there in the first place and never went through the mandatory security checks. Also, there were people who were there to listen, ask reasonable and intelligent questions and learn. This guy fucked that up for all of them.

You can't argue that the guy wasn't intelligent as his vernacular and question were definitely that of an educated person.

What I find interesting is *reasonable*. What is reasonable and who defines what a reasonable question is? Also doesn't that come into conflict with freedom of speech?

This guy is probably a total jackass loud mouthed annoying prick, but that's not a good enough reason IMO to taser him.

I imagine that he will now go on a crusade and make a whole heap of noise about this arrest :2 cents:

Matt 26z 09-18-2007 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 13106173)
there were people who were there to listen, ask reasonable and intelligent questions and learn. This guy fucked that up for all of them.

The disenfranchisement of black voters issue is something that must be addressed in person. The TV media isn't going to touch this even though it is very real.

This guy brings it up - in an outrage - (and rightfully so) and he is silenced by Nazis.

It is a sad day in America when you must talk to your elected officials in monotone and stay within good natured political topics.

theking 09-18-2007 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow (Post 13105634)
how did he bring it on himself?? are we not supposed to question men that aspire to the highest position of power in the country (and maybe even world) ???

that kid wasnt "resisting", resisting would have been punching some fucking cops in the face...if you call that kid trying to pull his arm out from being subdued then thats crazy..those assholes had no reason to forcefully manhandle him like that, are we living in fucking north korea now??

:disgust

Resisting is a legal charge and becomes applicable anytime a person does not comply with the verbal orders of an officer...physicality does not have to be involved. In addition in many states...if not the majority of states...one can legally be tasered by an officer for not complying with verbal commands. In many states...if not the majority of states...officers are not required to physically roll in the "mud and blood" with a person but can use the taser or the club to subdue them for not obeying verbal commands.

Ayla_SquareTurtle 09-18-2007 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 13105935)
Why would he need to wound them for them to use force on him??? He refused to leave, and was disrupting a conference, and was asked to leave.

I didn't say he needed to wound them to justify force. My point is that they claim to have been injured by him. If that's the case, then wouldn't he be charged with a crime (assaulting a police officer?)


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