One can expect some of these sponsors to come in here and defend their programs. I mean... they'd look foolish if they didn't. However, to come in here and blame an affiliate's traffic or criticize their promotional activities is just ignorant. Yes.. there are a lot of affiliates who don't understand the business, niche marketing, pricing, targeted branding...etc.... but there are also a lot of sponsors who don't have a clue as well.. thus the bad ratios. You guys with the shitty ratios need to look at your own programs and stop being so quick to jump down the affiliate's throat.

More sponsors are not working on a update on their affiliate area!!
Both should meet in the middle and discusse perfect promotion tools.

Adult webmaster with years of experience should have a work shop in a sponsor companie, they will learn from eachother very valueble things when they are agreed to do this to finetune a program.

A sponsor is in need of knowledge the adult webmaster of today works with.

Some real crazy ratios in here. :Oh crap

Yo man, Ihave 2 new sites coming out and I will give you the first shot if you want.

Hit me up if you have time or I will try to find you today.

-CHris

BULLSHIT!!

most of the sponsors being named here use NATS!

CCBILL converts great!

CCCBill is one of the best companies out there. Honest, dependable, you name it.

they dont care about affiliates.

People should email their programs and include a sample URL that they feel underperformed. Include traffic source(s) you were trying to match up with and ask for specific advice. Ask what paysite to promote in a niche if there are multiple choices.

It's not a matter of choosing to focus on the affiiates efforts *instead of* anything else. It's the process of elimination with the affiliates marketing as the final step. The sponsor already knows at a glance if there are, or ever were, any technical difficulties with a paysite as well as it's overall ratio across all traffic sources. Once thats known, where else should the sponsor focus but the marketing and advertising efforts of the one individual? Without successful affiliates, a program is nothing. Dont forget that. Ever.

1. quality vs quantity
2. filtering
3. niche traff to niche sponsor

the guys with the 0:20k and 1:50k etc, have you tried filtering your traffic? or do you just smash thousands of general clicks to any which sponsor?

It's interesting to see most big sponsors listed but I wonder why those companies are big if you all guys do that bad with them :2 cents:

who is spamming? all looks on topic to me....oh i understand your pissed there is a thread about business....I understand that business theads are kinda out of place on this board anymore...

that's why so many sponsors jump to nats.
they all know how to use it!

Business thread eh?


I could easily push 1k useless uniques a day to hillbillydollars that I know 100% would not convert, just to come here in a month and say "HILLBILLY DOLLARS doesn't not convert!!!!! OMG 0:30k on UNIQUES!!!!!!! WORST SPONSOR EVER!!!!!!!!!"

or I could go the raw route, which would be in the neighborhood of 0:45k


Sound like a good plan? :winkwink:


I was just in a mood to help educate the uneducated, but that feeling has passed now.

now this i understand but the spamming comment i don't

Some do.. some don't. It seems that the sponsors who have really stellar customer service are always the ones who I do the worst at. Additionally, a lot of them simply shoot themselves in the feet by shaving sales (Royal Cash) or have a total lack of communication on all fronts (Teen Dolls). In any event.. that's just the way this fucked up industry is so I just take it as the shit is dished out.

just wait till scottybuzz cash launches, u will see ratios of 10:1

Hit me up and lets see why your ratios and not doing better

Good advice imho PR_Tom :)

Cool.. I'll hit you up in a few hours.. got to head out & run some errands..
I'm willing to work to change my ratio, so we can chat & see what I can do to make it work..

348-132-803.. I'll be available in a few hours

Wow, Biohazard Bitches is the best converting site for the niche for me, and I promote them all...

Maybe if you had a hardcore site :thumbsup

Argh I hate triple posting, but I only got into this thread now...

Reps that are responding, what kind of advice are you going to give? I mean people who post here promote 10,20, hell 50+ programs, and are probably using the same methods with each one. Obviously there are general tricks that will give you a better ratio while drastically lowering your CTR, but that's not what people want.

IMO if I have a link on my site that says "click here to download more anal movies", and program A converts that at 1:1500 while your program converts that at 1:4000, that's your fault, not mine.

Braincash stopped converting years ago...

how many sponsors not shave this year? not many!
you're just too stupid f y still believe nats sponsors not shaving.

Actually if I took the time to break it down with CCBILL sponsors you would see the shitiest ratios coming from them...

We are talking 50 that are above 1:5000....
10 above 1:10000
4 or 5 above 1:20000

CCBILL sponsors suck ass.

nice to epiccash is one of the best converting out there these days.


fact.

It really depends on a the individual. I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem believing that I've seen Andi Pink and Ariel Rebel promoted on pretty hardcore sites or using promotional texts that the site just doesn't match up with. Just 2 small examples, but you get the idea.

Ok Groobybucks.com hasn't appeared on any of these lists - and we covert.
Sell Shemales - Make $$$.

Anybody interested email me, these sites cross over into a lot of mainstream niches.

CCBILL blues...

FEMJOY - 0:31,324
Boss Cash - 0:5,149
Rich Cash - 0:4,592
Gunners Girls - 0:3,181
SheDevil $$$ - 1:10,115
Bad Girl Bucks - 1:5,541
Digital Angel $'s - 1:4,196
AshperiCash - 1:3,512

And countless others that don't convert for shit... but I don't feel like typing for hours...

And the good... (what little there is)
Monster Partners - 1:189
PureCFNM 1:244
JungleDrop 1:301
Babes Bank 1:980

29 sales 1:3189 is my worst this year... not going to name names but they used to be one of my best sponsors, then ratios crashed. Anyone promoting interracial stuff over the past couple years could probably take a guess at what program this is.

I am doing 1:6852 with pimproll with 80% search engine IMAGES traffic.

here is mine:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4610/statsvt4.th.jpg

If anyone ever has a question about their Island Dollars ratios, hit me up anytime. I will do everything I can to help them improve and am always available to help. Always. There are plenty of small tweaks that can help make a world of difference.


Some affiliates that are unhappy with a ratio above 1:100 off of first page uniques, and rightfully so depending on the type of site and traffic source.



:thumbsup

Oh ?

I have quite the opposite experience. I am also convinced ccbill isn't tracking sales to the affiliate very well. Also the few nats sponsors I do send traffic to convert very well for me and tend to report most if not all of the clicks unlike ccbill.

This is a good point, sharing random numbers like 1:10,000 does not mean much to anyone other than yourself... Everyone has their own methods and own ratios that they expect on their various sources of traffic.

My worst sponsor of all time would be panchodog.com

On mainly Blog/SE traffic my alltime ratio is 1:22502 (grand total 25 bucks)

I love there sites and who wouldn't but I can't convert them for shit.

Got an example post? I sell a few memberships with each post I do of Andi.

I pulled everything I had a little while ago due to ratios. but I think I might have a couple lying around will have a look.

I don't write hardcore posts for any of the girls there, it's mainly all softcore stuff. I have tried different linking options and haven't had any luck. I have contacted them for someone to have a look and see why it's so bad but after a few times contacting them and no reply gave up and moved on.

Holy cow! Reading some of these ratios makes me wonder WHY you bother? Surely anything over 1:1000 is a waste of time?

I remember 1:10 ratios when I started many years ago, and that was without SE traffic.

Kinda glad I took my money and ran when I did a couple of years ago.

http://www.2teens.net/teens/andi-pin...ebel-fruit.jpg


So... you know when you run up two or three flights of stairs and your chest is pounding and your heart feels like it is gonna burst? Well, that is how my dick is behaving right about now. There is something that is so darn sexy about two chicks getting intimate.

While this story is about Andi Pink, it is important to mention that her friend in the gallery above is Ariel Rebel and she has her own website too! Andi and Ariel love to get kinky with each other and appear on each others websites on a regular basis.

Andi's last name, Pink, is so puuurfect! It accurately describes this teenager beauty to a "T". Her nipples are pink and her pussy looks like a soft pink rose. I can only imagine the grip that pussy must have. So tight it might even be considered painful! But hey, no pain, no gain right?

AndiPink.com is like an oasis from the daily grind. A place where you can go and lose yourself. With 136 videos and more added on a weekly basis there is an awful lot of exploring you can do. Plus there is the 359 picture sets. Each week I look forward to seeing what Andi will dress up in this time.

When you get an AndiPink.com password you also get access to four more websites. I hope you like chicks in panties and I hope you like lots of nubile teen models... with your password you are going to get heaping spoonfuls of both!

I mentioned Andi Pink's tight pussy earlier... One way to experience her tightness for real is to get a Fleshlight, the only male sex toy. With Andi and a fleshlight you won't masturbate the old fashion way ever again!

Nice post mate, I'm off to signup to andi pink now lol...

Seriously, Mine do not compare to that or even come close mine are standard by any term and usaully only around 200 words so maybe I need to look at a few things on my side.

However I have sent the traffic that was my job done I still think the conversions should of been better.

But no biggie:)

Hey V - Bad Girl Bucks switched to NATS and I too had shitty stats, But ever since the switch, things have been much better with them at 1:183. Link here. Rich Cash's main attraction, Peaches material moved to to Sex Stuff Sells and now converts at 1:213 for me. I don't know about the others.. Gunner's girls never updates but used to do well back in the days and never any sales for Femjoy here either.

Can you icq me when you have a minute please.

Thanks.

Can you ICQ me too, thanks!

Below are screencaps of our ratios month to date. Our program is http://www.sexstuffsells.com

Webvirgins is the worst and we are currently revamping that site, its overdue for a makeover, but still converts very well. Our retention is outstanding as well.

We welcome the opportunity to work with any and all affiliates and we do everything we can to support them. Don't see the ad tools you need? We will make them for you. Promo passes? No problem. Something special? Just ask, if we can do it, we will.

http://www.hotadri.com

http://www.sunupmedia.com/gfy/hotadri.jpg

http://www.realpeachez.com

http://www.sunupmedia.com/gfy/realpeachez.jpg

http://www.ambersfantasy.com

http://www.sunupmedia.com/gfy/ambersfantasy.jpg

http://www.webvirgins.com

http://www.sunupmedia.com/gfy/webvirgins.jpg

ICQ me, lets talk and see what we can do together!

Nice blog post V_Rocks!
It must take ages for you to update your blog, unless you are outsourcing the writers hehe...

Well I do agree to a certain extent with one exception, it all depends where the links are situated on the site, obviously you can?t have both links in the same position.

My advice, if you are looking for true stats on 2 links on any given site promoting the same niche as you quoted above I would swap the links around and then see what the results are after 1 month. Positioning of links and banners are very important and can reflect on your ratios.

interesting thread! my worst sponsors are

rhinopays
realsexcash
nichepay
shedevildollars

braincash, that several folks have mentioned, works great on my traffic. this year around 50 sales per month below 1:300.

CCBill converts for shit. I will not use a sponsor on this antiquated processor.

webcams.com is 1:14298 for me and awempire is 1:1499. even though there is a 14 day cookie I still do better with them than anyone else.

OH Really! You wouldn't mind telling me where you got the blatantly false information about Royal Cash shaving would you? It doesn't happen plain and simple. Did you contact me so we could look into whatever problem your having or did you just determine for yourself what the problem is and post it here?

Let me know if you want to discuss this over ICQ, E mail or here


spaz