I second that.

My clicks are from Blogs.

my worst ratio was with panchodog... was something over 1:45000 last time I looked (sometime last year). Since I've not gotten a check from them I'll assume I'm 1:100,000+ by now, lol. Maybe only my korean traffic was interested in clicking the pancho links.

best ratio is with fling at around 1:150 (though I do worse when I push more traffic to them so I rarely make much bling there)

Boy was I wrong... Thanks SkeetSkeet for hooking me up and giving me some insider info!

You guys should have used MayorsMoney... :pimp

Yeah but I've used MayorsMoney and I don't see anything more special with your program over others.

well why dont you just get real creative and build a whole site and members area and shoot all the content for it, and give it a more inviting name? Shit that thats what I do, but hell im more creative then you are.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

that may be the case for some, but when you convert great with 95% of the rest of what you sell, that certainly throws up red flags.

believe it or not..

mayors money 1:190 for me

yeah mayors money = :thumbsup

the best converting site.....

lightspeedcash 1:77

I think something is fucked with their click tracking. I always have qualified clicks to hosted galleries I don't have published on any of my sites. :1orglaugh

Thank you for being more detailed.


Nothing personal but just because it's blog traffic doesn't mean it's going to sell a product or be productive. I have a few blogs with custom entries and seeing 0:10k, 1:10k, 1:5k, 1:3k is not uncommon. I love it when people complain about ratios, and yet they've NEVER made a single sale. I'm not saying this is you, just a basic statement. They don't know how to sell a site and expect everyone clicking their link (providing they are real surfers and not bots or unbillable traffic) to purchase.


Not to mention the stupidity of even looking at the ratio, instead of the $ earned per click. I'd rather have a revshare sponsor that converts 1:2000 and keeps members for 3+ months than one that converts 1:1000 and NEVER rebills. And that's assuming the membership prices are the same. I'd imagine a good portion of the 'webmasters' here have never seen the join pages of the sites they're trying to sell or know how much the sites are retailing for.


I think the best way to improve your ratios is to bitch on message boards and post your 'shitty' stats. It's especially effective if you have lots of posts and an early join date on the board. No program wants to look bad and maybe they'll reverse shave you to make your figures look good. They know (especially the big guys) that newbs and easily influenced webmasters are hoping someone will throw them the magical 'bone' on how to make money in the business. :winkwink:

I just promote fling.com 1:170 all year long

KellyCash suck 1:2610 for targeted SEO traffic, but SilverCash is the worst (0:5,717)
6bucksfamily at PussyCash 1:4500 , ImLive 1:100 but I just started promoting them so ratio isn't real , nichecastle 1:950 for SEO traffic .....

I'm a much bigger fan of taking like 5 sponsors where you like thier sites and promote those heavily rather than promoting 25 sponsors and barely taking anytime to study their sites.

If you are promoting way too much, you get into the habit of just throwing traffic into the wind and hoping something will sell. If you take 5 sponsors and study their sites effectively, the results will most likely be much better.

If you understand the niche yourself very well, you can help market that towards others who like your same niche. It's always easier to sell something you belive in and understand versus not.

All those things make a difference. But I do think many of us have sponsors that we know we are sending tons of quality hits to and just not making any sales. These are the ones where we feel like we are just throwing money away by leaving their links up. That was more the intent behind this topic.

What makes you feel these are quality hits? I would guess most the people in this thread have no idea what quality traffic is, and are thrilled to see an occasional lucky sale.


Just the nature of the biz right now.

i think it is funny how so many people still try to sell the same shit that is oversaturated everywhere. a perfect example, went to a fair saturday night. i counted 15 people selling BBQ. Now there was like 1-2 people at each booth. The place that was selling the sno cones, there was only one. The line took almost 15 minutes to get one, literally probably 20-30 people in line all night. People just keep promoting this large ass programs and wondering why they can't make bank. try some smaller programs with content that is just as hot, but not oversaturated like crazy! try us at www.starlightbucks.com or our friends over at www.hillbillydollars.com and see if your ratios don't go up. And as for us converting badly, give us a try, you don't get good results, we will work with you and get you set straight either way, ask anyone, we are good folks.

Exactly Skeet! I won't mention any specific sites, but you look around on the TGPs and just see the same fucking models and the same fucking galleries over and over and over like there is nothing else on the Internet that a surfer would be interested in besides these same few models and sites! What about all the unbelievable hot young models that simply go unheard of because there was no bandwagon created for affiliates to jump on and ride... Affiliates would see a huge change in there income if they would take a chance on some of these girls that no one has seen before, offering up something new to the surfer and not just a different gallery of the same worn out model! Fight for the no namers! Get them out there, see if the surfer likes them or not, and hell if they don't like them you always have the saturated stuff to fall back on and bitch about horrible ratios! I'm not just talking about Hillbilly Dollars sites or Starlight Bucks sites, I'm speaking for all these smaller programs with hot stuff that's unseen.

Here is an example, now I cant speak for Starlight Bucks but I can for my own program

Here is this period for carlymoore.cc 1:177

Here is this period for angieryan.com 1:350

Now, in the stats I'm seeing you guys post in this thread I'm not seeing much of what I just shared with you as far as our #s go bottom line try something new, I think you'll be surprised!

Promote HillBillyDollars And StarLightBucks Fresh faces convert stop Saturating

Contact us 221-433-729

There is help, besides our flagship sites that all all under 1:1000, these are some of the more recent ones. And mind you these are all front page hits :thumbsup

http://monsterloads.sexseries.com/post/rp_stats01.jpg

http://monsterloads.sexseries.com/post/pov_stats01.jpg

http://monsterloads.sexseries.com/post/th_stats01.jpg

Other Notables..

http://monsterloads.sexseries.com/post/fm_stats01.jpg

http://monsterloads.sexseries.com/post/ho_stats01.jpg

We dropped all our bad sponsors however, we do 1:800 on average from our TGPs..

Good post!

Your sites do convert well with our traffic!
So far this month Carly Moore is 1:69 and Angie Ryan is 1:178

:thumbsup

Thankyou I hope your enjoying the money!

those are some good numbers...
i wud of thought juggcash wud pull better than solo sites ...instead im killing myself to get a sale by them

you guys gotta try with not saturated programs with new fresh faces, see sig ;)

echo? or lol

Hate to say it.. just checked my StatsRemote All Time and:

TripleXCash 1:9033

OUCH! I never understood why, but we just can't convert there. I suppose I should probably find another college site to promote from campussexromp.com, any takers?!

What he said...

Starlightbucks 1:8113 ($12.46)

Man they suck balls. Those "teen" girls are horrible and it shows.

Next up Mayors Money PPS $30 - 1:5277 (11 sales - 58,057 clicks), horrible.

Hey Teencat, I sent you over an email yesterday on some suggestions to improve your ratios. Send me a message back when you get a chance :thumbsup

Here are mine... sales per unique hits. This doesn't really mean they aren't good, I could just be promoting them in less targeted areas.

Some solo girl sponsors in ccbill but I'm too lazy to look - 1:5900
Niche Money - 1:3756
Nasty Dollars - 1:2196
ARS - 1:1497

Best sponsor:
AEBN - you should click here to promote them.
I convert 1:11 and make $2.76 per unique on very targeted traffic.

Cool man happy that Incredibledollars is doing good for you! :)

Glenn ka Thebossxxx

Call me old fashioned but the usual rule of thumb is the higher the payout the worse the conversion. My worst one is ARS 0: 3 yrs! I still promote them though

my made in porn ratios were something around 0:2000.

Call me old fashioned but the usual rule of thumb is the higher the payout the worse the conversion. My worst one is ARS 0: 3 yrs! I still promote them though

I had similar ratios with Realsexcash.

I'd like to retract my statement. Adult Gold Vault delivers!
very first day at AGV: 144 122 2 1:61 $50.00

holly molly:warning

Well while we are at it, do my fellow TGP owners prefer CCBill or NATS? I think some affiliates are shady. A small percentage. I think everyone else works their asses off trying to make their concepts fly. I see it from both sides, as I also have an affiliate program for my footsite. The world of online adult entertainment is a strange thing indeed. I personally like scorecash, bangbros and Traffic cash gold though.

True, but I would say, that there's a difference between random 404 traffic and clicked blog traffic. In the last case, the surfer clicked on a pictured he liked which pre-saled him. The surfer WANTED more information. With 404 traffic, he gets just something thrown at his face he might not want to see.

Ratios depend on so much..for example, one of the ones mentioned by Jace - Real Sex Cash - I do pretty well with them. Perhaps it is that I target the Britishness of their sites or something like that...it all depends on a number of things.

For sure blogs are better than straight up 404's and forced redirects to tours, but plenty of established TGPs and freesites can kick the shit out of blogs in terms of quality traffic and more importantly, actual revenue. But most people think they can start a blog with cookie cutter entries, sprinkle in SE keywords and shitty RSS entries and make easy money. They target sologirl names/basic terms/etc and don't provide something to SELL the product once the surfer gets there. The idea that someone comes through and joins a site off a basic search and non-interesting entry is extremely naive.



It is funny when people bitch when they have no idea on how to make money in the business in the first place. Very few will ever know who is the best sponsor for them, and in most cases, it wouldn't matter. Their sites and methods are not creating BUYERS for the products they are trying to sell. This is a byproduct of having little time to understand the business and doing it as little more than a hobby. They do not have the time and ability to analyze their traffic effectively because they are building half-assed sites giving away too much for nothing, then moving on when it's not working instead of understanding WHY.


The ignorance is astounding, since many affiliates that DO NOT KNOW HOW THEIR SPONSOR COUNTS THEIR TRAFFIC. Not a fuckin' clue, though they like to pretend they know. But at the end of the day it is easier to blame sponsors instead of getting better at your craft.


But all those things come from time and experience, and understanding as the market changes. Few stick around long enough in the business to really know shit, and it shows. :)

I say that it is hard to deal with alot of the smaller companies that use ccbill and not nats because of them skimming their affl. I stopped promoting anyone who used soley CCbill for right now because I got burnt too many times. I know for a fact that traffic was being sent but CCBill had nothing under my stats.

I know that alot of the bigger companies like juggcash and bangbros are oversaturated but ppl also dont want to send out alot of traffic and get burned. I mean it could really happen either way but with the bigger sites there is a smaller chance..

spookycash sucks dick

I know what you're talking about. It's the difference between throwing traffic at a site and hoping to make a sale vs actually trying to sell a site. Unfortunately, Blog traffic comes so slowly, that it's hard to actually analyze anything because of low numbers.

Guess that's why so many people are throwing shit against the wall to see what stickes.

bump bump)

The programs spamming in this thread are fucking hilarious.

I'm surprised there aren't people trying to shake down newb webmasters as 'consultants'. But most affiliates don't have capital (or a penny to their name) anyways to pay for it, hence the trade off of fhgs/free hosting/free content/free tools/free submitter/ embedded movies/ free etc to try to build an affiliate sales work force.


But most programs are as desperate and clueless as the people trying to promote them. The herd will be thinning quite a bit of over the next 18 months... it will be sink or swim for for programs of all sizes. You'd be surprised at the programs claiming to be ballers here on GFY that are currently for sale.

I've seen once or twice Braincash on the first page. I strongly suggest people that are not satisfied with their Braincash ratios to contact me or Cindy.

-Are you sure you're promoting the best sites foi the traffic you have?

-We will take a look at what you promote and from where and will suggest changes to improve your ratios.

-We will look for individual customized solution.

-We will reward your traffic for what its worth.

What is important to know is we have sites that convert more than very well. Make sure you promote them:thumbsup

This is 2004, a good year
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This is 2007, a bad year
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So this is my worst ratio dropdown with 1 sponsor.
The rest is up to the roof