Lensman,

Were you at Galaxy Net when they went tits up?

I think that was the worst.. I learned a big lesson then..

Now I have servers everywhere.. my own dns.. etc..

Nobody will care about your shit as much as you do! So if you can afford it get redundant.

Likewhoa was slow today for most.. slow beats down..

When Galaxy Net went.. shit we were down for days.. locked in cages by Above net.. Now that SUCKED!

Chris

Hooper & Lens...thanks for your input guys.

We have about 40 servers in house, the rest are in 4 other datacenters, soon to be 3 others.

Never even heard of Galaxy Net.

Werent they hosting netpond back then?

Good post. This sums it up for anyone looking for new hosts.

Galaxy net hosted thewetlands, netp*nd, and a few large people in the biz.. basically they failed to pay their hosting bill to Above.net and Above net took all the boxes and locked them in cages.. You had to have a letter from God basically to get your servers released.. or you just had to lie to the CEO..haha

That was a nightmare..

It was about 3+ years ago.. I remember netp*nd guy flying to California to get their box out..

Live and learn!

Chris

Now THAT was a fucked up situation. The CEO of AboveNet woundn't let people get to their content off those locked up servers. I flew to San Jose and walked into the office and spoke with the CEO. After a yelling match, we went over to the cages and he release my content on the boxes. He knew i wasn't leaving until I got all my content off the harddrives on those locked up servers.

Galaxy net...what a joke. I don't even hold them responsible for that....as I should have seen that shit coming a mile away. I only blame myself.

things happen my host was down last week too and they are pretty reliable it had nothing to do with money.

We have had servers at Like Whoa for many many months now. Until this week, service has been uninterrupted. I am very familiar with network outages and latency issues, and I can tell you that their service has been historically amazing. We have facility all over the place, and historically, Like Whoa has been the most reliable and fastest in our mix.

Unfortunately, this week has presented problems. Am I upset? Yes. Did I lose money? Yes. Are they going to take care of me? Yes.

Things happen. This is their first outage in the new facility, the rollover plans seem not to have been perfected yet. But I have faith that this won't happen again as severely as yesterday/today.

I currently have no plans to move.

That's the theory anyway.

If you ever send traffic to ConversionCash you're certain to get only one thing, No signups and some really nice shaving!

it's actually Network Plus who uses Qwest. but the weird thing is this:

16 001-173.np1.net (64.61.1.173) 90.614 ms 90.554 ms 90.662 ms
Cogent -> 17 66.28.20.70 (66.28.20.70) 100.663 ms 102.987 ms 100.269 ms
18 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 103.560 ms 104.973 ms 99.525 ms

out of all the routes i see announced for them, they all end with 209 11846 21790 (according to telnet://route-views.oregon-ix.net/) - that's Qwest, NP1, and LikeWhoa. i guess Cogent is just transit from NP1's facility to LikeWhoa's?

Pipecrew... dont let penis envy get in the way of you seeing straight.

Allliquid = Likewhoa correct?

And as far as ConversionCash goes, that attempt at a piss is really not worth dignifying with an answer... bottom line is that likewhoa has taken thousands of dollars, cost us nearly 6 figures in lost revenue and never did anything to make it right aside from apologizing, promising to fix it, fucking up some more and apologizing again.

The phrase "it's like watching a monkey fuck a football" comes to mind... and yes.. you're the monkey.

Now get back to being a fulltime poster cause we all know you must not spend much time focusing on your business.

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QuickBuck - $40 Per Trial

LMFAO!... "fulltime poster"

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

still no verio. curious how people are liking cogent? do they notice a difference from LW's network? i know i've always thought cogent had to be garbage but i admit i haven't actually used it (to my knowledge).

i'm kinda amazed. judging by the board a LOT of poeple host with likewhoa. nobody's got a opinion of what Cogent is like after experiencing "TIer 1" Verio bandwidth?

higher latency? less bandwidth? or is it better?

If you guys even make 6 figures a year I'd be shocked... Conversioncash is the most outdated shitbag operation I know of, as for me being a full time poster, atleast I dont look like one in the real world :1orglaugh

24 hrs later, it is definitely cogent on the outbound.

Its certainly still cogent on the inbound for some traffic.

From route-views.oregon-ix.net

Tracing the route to ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170)

1 nero-gw.oregon-ix.net (198.32.162.2) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
2 eugn-core1-gw.nero.net (207.98.64.162) [AS 3701] 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec
3 aar1-serial4-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.151.1) [AS 3561] 12 msec 12 msec
12 msec
4 agr2-loopback.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.146.102) [AS 3561] 12 msec 16 msec
12 msec
5 dcr2-so-7-1-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.185) [AS 3561] 12 msec 12 msec
12 msec
6 agr4-so-2-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.142) [AS 3561] 12 msec 16 msec
agr4-so-6-0-0.SantaClara.cw.net (208.172.156.158) [AS 3561] 16 msec
7 acr1-loopback.SanFrancisco.cw.net (206.24.210.61) [AS 3561] 16 msec 16 msec
16 msec
8 cable-and-wireless-peering.SanFrancisco.cw.net (206.24.211.226) [AS 3561] 20
msec 16 msec 16 msec
9 svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.162) [AS 209] 20 msec 20 msec 16 msec
10 svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.125) [AS 209] 24 msec 12 msec 16 msec
11 dca-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.201) [AS 209] 88 msec 88 msec 84 msec
12 dca-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.9.10) [AS 209] 92 msec 88 msec 88 msec
13 jfk-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.217) [AS 209] 92 msec 84 msec 84 msec
14 jfk-edge-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.30.114) [AS 209] 88 msec 88 msec 88 msec
15 65.112.96.98 [AS 209] 92 msec 92 msec 92 msec
16 000-073.np1.net (64.61.0.73) [AS 11846] 92 msec 92 msec 96 msec
17 001-173.np1.net (64.61.1.173) [AS 11846] 92 msec 92 msec 92 msec
18 Global_Net_Advertising.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.20.70) [AS 16631] 100 msec
96 msec 100 msec
19 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) [AS 21790] 100 msec 96 msec 100 msec
route-views.oregon-ix.net>

NOTE: Hop 18.

Rik

why do you want to change the subject pipecrack?

did i touch a nerve?

rather than bashing our program, why dont you explain exactly how your company stole from us?

ps.. you're right... we dont make 6 figures a year... its just me.... sitting around in a studio apartment.. carving up photos all day.... eating ramen.

Ramen's good shit.

I like everybody today.

Rik

Damned if the earlier guy wasn't right:

It was Cogent earlier today. Now its yipes....

8 jfk-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.217) 9 ms 10 ms 10 ms
9 jfk-edge-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.30.114) 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms
10 65.112.96.98 (65.112.96.98) 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms
11 000-073.np1.net (64.61.0.73) 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms
12 001-173.np1.net (64.61.1.173) 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms
:BangBang: 13 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms
14 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms


OrgName: Yipes Communications, Inc.
OrgID: YIPS

NetRange: 66.7.128.0 - 66.7.191.255
CIDR: 66.7.128.0/18
NetName: YIPES-BLK2
NetHandle: NET-66-7-128-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0

I am a little afraid of all the prognostication.

Rik

"Stole" is a powerful word, care to elaborate?

Looks like bandwidthtruth's prediction of them switching to Yipes! came true. I guess he wasn't full of shit after all.


14 ge-1-3-0-202.nyc001jp01.yipes.com (66.54.147.182) 2.487 ms 2.558 ms 2.418 ms
15 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 3.430 ms 3.554 ms 3.564 ms
16 ns2.likewhoa.com (66.181.170.170) 2.945 ms 2.873 ms 3.277 ms

Bump

so what is the problem with Yipes?

Well, since you all brought up Galaxy Net, I thought I would let everyone know, http://www.imedia.net is basically the old Galaxy Net, or what is left of it. Its run by Michael Lindsay. What a prick! He also pyle drived webcash.com into the ground as well. :thumbsup

Broken images and slow downloads aren't a good sign.

Just did a trace to PrivateGold.com which is at LikeWhoa and got this:

11 so-2-0-0.mp2.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.1.85) 39.545 ms 39.648 ms 39.991 ms
12 gige7-2.ipcolo1.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.17.163) 39.351 ms 40.101 ms 39.383 ms
13 unknown.Level3.net (64.156.82.6) 39.799 ms 39.461 ms 40.268 ms
14 66.7.129.254 (66.7.129.254) 40.825 ms 40.953 ms 40.851 ms
15 66.181.174.83 (66.181.174.83) 40.511 ms 41.765 ms 41.680 ms


Looks like Level3 to me

i didn't think they were still in business frankly, heh. :)

btw, they're seen through level3 because yipes is a level3 customer. their performance is questionable (i've seen it) at least, their gear is (and without good gear, what can you do?)

edit: also btw, it looks like all of their announcements come from yipes. bgp ends with 6517 21790 (according to route-views.oregon-ix.net). i don't know what their outbound is like of course.

is yipes better than cogent for y'all? still never saw anyone sayin anything about how cogent was vs. verio.. i'm very curious.

Damn that was so long ago. I knew Galaxy became Imedia, but didn't know Michael Lindsay still ran it.

Webcash, now that's a blast from the past. What ever happened to that? They could have done a lot with Webcash if they were smart. The programmer behind it was a good guy.

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"Stole" is a powerful word, care to elaborate?
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Sure.. took money for services and then failed to provide services or return the money.

Show off !

Running a network is never easy. The problems that likewh0a are having are very common with low cost hosts. It's just a simple fact. When your core market makes its hosting decisions based primarily on price alone you simply don't have the funds to pay all your bills, or bring in the ' big boy ' equipment, or many other things that the more expensive hosts have.

I remember the outage a few months ago, all the excuses as to why it happened and also the midnight move.

If this was in fact something that they knew about or had any control over ( other than paying their bills ) then notice would have been given to their clients. This is assuming that they were the quality ISP that every one hopes for, an ISP that really gives a crap if you are making money or not. As we can all see they either didn?t care enough to notify people, didn?t pay their bills again ( my guess ) or just couldn?t handle the networking issues that came as a result of any of the above.

No matter how they try to ' spin ' the story the simple fact is that if they were as stable ( financially or network wise ) as they should be none of these issues effecting their customers would exist. This is because they would easily be able to afford to keep the carriers running, the equipment up to date, and have provisions in place to pick up the slack when parts of their network fail that are beyond their control.

We are not the cheapest place on the block, and I am the first to tell everyone that, but our network stays up, our clients stay online, and should any part of the network fail there are resources in place to ensure little to no down time for anyone. This applies to even the most severe cases. If you want more information on how to choose a host check this out: http://www.primeinternet.com/network.html

I bet you support spamming too

LikeWhoa is big pimpin'

They have a NOC in Manhattan. That takes some serious bling -- and I don't see other hosts giving away a BMW at Internext... Take LikeWhoa as a whole -- look at how many projects they have going on... If LikeWhoa was short on funds I don't think my bare naked ass would be sitting right now on this kick ass oversized AdultCentro beach towel... Hehe...

If Like Whoa was short on funds, we'd get a letter 10 business days before the connection is interrupted, that's a standard procedure. And if we got a letter 10 days before, we'd do something about, we are serious about our business.

Think about it. All Like Whoa customers have been informed from an e-mail I drafted after 36 hours without any sleep... :sleep

I agree. I've seen the numbers they have been paying Verio firsthand and for them to be able to afford all that B/W they are nowhere close to broke. The folks over there also say they paid their bills. Whatever thier problems were in the last 36 hours being broke isn't one of them.

Fuck LikeWhoa, I've got a row of blazing fast Tandy 1000's here ready for all your hosting needs. And talk about speed?? 2600 bauds of pure connectivity... If LikeWhoa hasn't been fitting the bill you know who to talk to :thumbsup

having big bills doesn't equate having lots of money. :)

about the paying the bills.. i just don't get how they lost connectivity so suddenly and were unable to regain it with verio unless they were shut off. if they shut off the line themselves they'd have had a new one already pre-arranged right? so it'd have to be verio. correct me if i'm wrong?

nobody is sharing their experiences. that's a bummer.

If it were planned by LW, there wouldn't be any 36 hr sleepless nights, uninformed customers and there wouldn't be any changing of reports through out the experience.

The issue to get service back up MAY have been technical, but the root cause between Verio and LW is a business --not-- a technical one. If it were Verio's fault, I am reasonably sure LW would have said so on numerous occasions and talked about all the legal action they are planning on behalf of their own, and their customers' interests.

Verio is _not_ back being their primary provider as LW said it would be, and Cogent/Yipes seem to be handling their traffic -- both providers, btw, are cheaper than Verio in the NYC market.

And as someone mentioned earlier, Yipes is the only advertising LW routes in BGP.

I am not making any statements on quality, but if any of these providers are owed cash, I am sure their attorneys' will be looking for blood.

Rik