Dutch Anti Piracy Organisation BREIN closed 7 Torrentsites

[ServerGenius]

Dutch Anti Piracy organisation has closed down 7 torrent sites with over
70.000 registered users which were all hosted in the Netherlands and has
conviscated their servers and personal information about their owners.

Dutch Internet Hosting Provider LeaseWeb was forced by court to cooperate
with Brein and give access to the servers and hand over any information about
the owners.

The owners will be prosecuted by law.

http://www.anti-piracy.nl



I'm in contact with BREIN regarding porn piracy and so far had some good
conversations with them and they are willing to assist by taking action
and providing us with information on how to address the problem. If all goes
well I will have someone from BREIN come to webmaster access to attend
the round table meeting and answer our questions

[ServerGenius]

here's the original article....it's in Dutch though....and it mentions 6 but another
was added yesterday

http://www.anti-piracy.nl/nieuws/ber...wsberichtid=83

[XPays]

good- illegal torrents are leeching, thieving, vermons. thanks for the article.

[polish_aristocrat]

every country should have laws as Poland where people can get a surprise police visit at any time and get their computers seized when they are sharing pirated files on the web

[Aussie Rebel]

Thats great news, I hope they jail the fuckers, Bubba loves geeks

[Sen]

did u talk whit brein? Can u hit me up on ICQ please.

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

every country should have laws as Poland where people can get a surprise police visit at any time and get their computers seized when they are sharing pirated files on the web

We do have that here......individual persons get fined up to 67.000 euros
for distributing piracy content (including linking to it) or max 4 years prison.
Companies contributing to piracy can be fined up to 670.000 euros and 4 years
of prison.

Both automatically get prosecuted by the dutch IRS as it's a tax violation

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by Sen

did u talk whit brein? Can u hit me up on ICQ please.

Ik contact je vanmiddag ergens.....ben ff druk bezig.....

[Sen]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

Ik contact je vanmiddag ergens.....ben ff druk bezig.....

Is goed spreek je later

[xclusive]

Awesome news and it's just the start.

[Mr. Billy]

Great news!

[ServerGenius]

Yes the best part of this is that the supreme court ruled that any provider that
doesn't provide BREIN with the info regarding piracy sites or isn't able to hand
over correct info (fake address and such) will automatically be held responsible
for the damage which means they can and will be fined up to 670.000 euros
and risk 4 years of prison.

LeaseWeb is the most famous providers facilitating to Torrent and Usenet
Piracy sites.....they got hit hard and got convicted to paying huge fines.
All torrent sites on their network have been closed down now.

Also KPN a dutch telecom/internet provider got fined for the same reasons.
The Netherlands is stepping up to fight piracy and they mean serious business
now.

Holland is no longer a safe haven for piracy....instead our country is now one
of the leading countries in fighting it

[Sen]

This is not the first time brein those this. And brein is just a private orginisation just like u and I can start up.

U just need funds. And the Netherlands is a good place to start such a origination because here is a lot of bandwidth for cheap prices. (VPS whit 100Mbit flatfee for 250 euro)

But I get the feeling this wil never happen in the adult scene.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

Yes the best part of this is that the supreme court ruled that any provider that
doesn't provide BREIN with the info regarding piracy sites or isn't able to hand
over correct info (fake address and such) will automatically be held responsible
for the damage which means they can and will be fined up to 670.000 euros
and risk 4 years of prison.

LeaseWeb is the most famous providers facilitating to Torrent and Usenet
Piracy sites.....they got hit hard and got convicted to paying huge fines.
All torrent sites on their network have been closed down now.

Also KPN a dutch telecom/internet provider got fined for the same reasons.
The Netherlands is stepping up to fight piracy and they mean serious business
now.

Holland is no longer a safe haven for piracy....instead our country is now one
of the leading countries in fighting it

But what about eweka, giganews, newsxs, highwinds and many others. They have more porn and music and shit on their harddisks then u will ever have.

[hentaibee]

Mooi zo,boontje komt eindelijk om z'n loontje De piraterij in ons kikkerlandje vind ik als seksblogger en importhollander om van te kotsen!

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by Sen

But what about eweka, giganews, newsxs, highwinds and many others. They have more porn and music and shit on their harddisks then u will ever have.

eweka is the only dutch company from that list and they'll be struck very soon.

[ServerGenius]

newsxs also dutch.......

[Sen]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

eweka is the only dutch company from that list and they'll be struck very soon.

Your answer is wrong. Eweka was bought by Highwinds in orlando florida. But al those names I put there are located whit the servers in NL.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

newsxs also dutch.......

btw newsxs is just a reseller of http://www.news-service.com/

Also dutch btw

[Dirty Dane]

Great news!

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by Sen

Your answer is wrong. Eweka was bought by Highwinds in orlando florida. But al those names I put there are located whit the servers in NL.

Eweka their "Datacenter" is around the corner of my office and I know them
personally very well. Obviously Holland can only prosecute dutch residents
and companies.....they CAN close down any server that's hosted in NL
though....Eweka is still a Dutch company....highwinds may have bought it
but they bought the Dutch company.....so it's still Dutch and can be
procesuted by law

[Sen]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

Eweka their "Datacenter" is around the corner of my office and I know them
personally very well. Obviously Holland can only prosecute dutch residents
and companies.....they CAN close down any server that's hosted in NL
though....Eweka is still a Dutch company....highwinds may have bought it
but they bought the Dutch company.....so it's still Dutch and can be
procesuted by law

I know all the company's that i named in person. So I also now how it works.)

But the owner of the eweka BV is a US company. So u can not sue them. U can sue eweka bv but what u get then is that they just will declare bankruptcy.

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

Yes the best part of this is that the supreme court ruled that any provider that
doesn't provide BREIN with the info regarding piracy sites or isn't able to hand
over correct info (fake address and such) will automatically be held responsible
for the damage which means they can and will be fined up to 670.000 euros
and risk 4 years of prison.

LeaseWeb is the most famous providers facilitating to Torrent and Usenet
Piracy sites.....they got hit hard and got convicted to paying huge fines.
All torrent sites on their network have been closed down now.

Also KPN a dutch telecom/internet provider got fined for the same reasons.
The Netherlands is stepping up to fight piracy and they mean serious business
now.

Holland is no longer a safe haven for piracy....instead our country is now one
of the leading countries in fighting it

There are many drawbacks to such rulings. First of all, you forget that it's not against the law everywhere to host torrents. Hosting companies have to protect their customers and privacy reputation as well. Having to hand over information without any further ado would only suit a dictatorial regimen.

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

There are many drawbacks to such rulings. First of all, you forget that it's not against the law everywhere to host torrents. Hosting companies have to protect their customers and privacy reputation as well. Having to hand over information without any further ado would only suit a dictatorial regimen.

No coz it's only relevant to companies and individuals that commit a crime.
They can't just close down anyone without proof. Anyway I'm not here to
discuss whether their strategy is flawless or not......7 torrent sites got closed
and that's good news to me........and I'll guarantee more will follow

[fluffygrrl]

I see piratebay is still coming up. Till that day it doesn't, I don't care about feel-good stories like this.

O look,

1.915.780 registered users.
5.248.317 peers (3.422.185 leechers + 1.826.132 seeders) in 663.381 torrents on tracker.

You said what, 70,000 users ? Lol. Okay. With what, 500 active too ?

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by Sen

I know all the company's that i named in person. So I also now how it works.)

But the owner of the eweka BV is a US company. So u can not sue them. U can sue eweka bv but what u get then is that they just will declare bankruptcy.

Yeah right....you can't just declare bankruptcy....eweka b.v. has assets
for example all their servers and infrastructure.....

[StarkReality]

Great news and a good signal: Torrent webmasters can't feel safe any more. I just hope courts in other countries step up as well...and next stop is online file storage services like rapidshare.

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

I see piratebay is still coming up. Till that day it doesn't, I don't care about feel-good stories like this.

O look,

You said what, 70,000 users ? Lol. Okay. With what, 500 active too ?

it's a start and that's better than idiots like you who are only whining

Mr. elite H4x0r

[Danny B]

It would be great If you can get your Brein contact to come over to WMA.

[DWB]

that is bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

one or 7 at a time... bring them down!!!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Thats really good news to hear

[Emil]

Good thing all torrentsites I use still is up.

[darksoul]

I hope we won't see the day when they decide to crack down online porn.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by darksoul

I hope we won't see the day when they decide to crack down online porn.

Netherlands and crack down online porn ? WTF what must all the people do then ?

[Why]

some countries have openly stated they will not prosecute p2p and BT sites. sweden is one, i believe france followed suit as well.

[darksoul]

Originally Posted by Sen

Netherlands and crack down online porn ? WTF what must all the people do then ?

I know. I know.

But, although some torrents are bad I'd like to see the law based on which
they shut down those sites given that they don't actually serve any content
they just keep some meta data about files.

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by Why

some countries have openly stated they will not prosecute p2p and BT sites. sweden is one, i believe france followed suit as well.

Don't talk to mr elite armchair lawyer, he's doing stuffs.

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Don't talk to mr elite armchair lawyer, he's doing stuffs.

strong come back son.......I'm not doing anything....I'm simply informing GFY
regarding several articles in Dutch newspapers.......try again

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

strong come back son.......I'm not doing anything....I'm simply informing GFY
regarding several articles in Dutch newspapers.......try again

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

it's a start and that's better than idiots like you who are only whining

Mr. elite H4x0r

What, don't tell me, somebody hacked your account ?

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

What, don't tell me, somebody hacked your account ?

hacked my account.....you smoking crack?

[Paul Markham]

This is the way to go. Good news.

goe gedaan jochie, zoals we hier in het darp zegge !

[Kinky John]

mooi man . . need more busts like that . . kut thieves

[DutchTeenCash]

sweet

I still remember the Im untouchable thread here from that leaseweb guy what a joke

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

I'm in contact with BREIN regarding porn piracy and so far had some good
conversations with them and they are willing to assist by taking action
and providing us with information on how to address the problem. If all goes
well I will have someone from BREIN come to webmaster access to attend
the round table meeting and answer our questions

I would be very very weary of associating myself with any company that had ties to removing porn from the net in any fashion unless it was against CP.

You could easily be used for some political gain by involving yourself thi9s way, but i wont get into it. I doubt any cares.

Just remember, when tey were kicking in doors for 2257, everyone was scared. They go after torrents you feel safe again.

What makes you think they aint coming for you next? Will Brien help you then?

[DollarKing]

im split down the middle on this subject there are a lot of people that cannot afford the things others in life can and unless piracy reached a point where everything and everyone can be reached for free some piracy here and there like people copying tape to tape from music will not suddenly kill off a industry of any kind.It has certainly not reached that point with torrents.
Its equal to say that the huge disgusting amounts of money celebs can make from making crappy films and music albums and other forms of revenue are also wrong.Then you could start with the corporations and fast food industry it goes on and on.Of course if its against the law then its against the law!

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

What, don't tell me, somebody hacked your account ?

b.t.w. I was just fucking with ya.....I know closing down a few sites doesn't
solve the problem......but at least it's a start.....it's too easy to bash every
attempt from people who are at least willing to take some kind of action.

It won't be an easy fight and it won't go quick.....but at least there's a few
people who seem willing to at least do something......without those nothing
will happen at all and things will only get worse.

I don't even agree with everything brein does or the way they do it......it has
flaws and some things make me frown.......that said the damage caused by
piracy I hate more than the way organisations like Brein use to fight it.

Their tactics will change along the way as they're also pionering and exploring
the options they have.....Holland used to be piracy paradise because of our
liberal legislation and strong protection of privacy........something the Dutch
are very proud of but we also realised that those liberties were being
exploited and abused......

Also hunting for piracy sites and going after them legaly is just part of a way
to the solution.....we also have to look at ourselves and improve the way
we protect our business and content as frankly it's way too easy to grab
our content and distribute it.

I don't have the illusion that I'm able to put a stop to all of this and it's
certainly not the time for cheers of victory.......I am willing though to take
part in the action that's required to do something about it.......that's the
first thing we need to accomplish anything at all.......sitting back watching
things get worse and moan about it doesn't change anything except that
things will get worse.......till now we haven't done anyting at all than let
people rob our content and give it away for free........that's part of the
reason why it gets worse so fast coz everybody knows that till now not
a single soul does anything about it to stop it.

All the recent attention on the boards resulted in a bunch of people that
are ready to change that and take some form of action but to be honest
with all the noise we've made I'm still shocked how hard it is to get people
mobilized.......at times I wonder how nuts I am for convincing people who
their business is hurt by this to do something........most seem to have the
idea that it's a lost battle before they even try to do something about it.

The way I see it at this moment that apart from the fact that we can't
stop people to do illegal things or that we're not responsible to police the
internet the fact that we just sit like sitting ducks and let those rob us
and take advantage of it is at least 50% of the reason why it's as bad
as it is now.........we may never be able to stop piracy but defenitely be
able to reduce it drastically if we stand up and at least make it less easy
for people to do and everytime get away with it.

If we can reduce or stop the growth of this trend, and show the public
that we do care and try to improve our products and services that will
defenitely at some point have a positive effect on our business and our
reputation as an industry........there's numerous of other examples that
proof this...........ASCAP, Freedom of Speech Coalition, etc, etc

Showing the public and the authorities we care is equally important in getting
results than the amount of sites we're able to get closed. Showing we feel
responsible and that we're taking action towards bad effects that are the
result of any form of abuse of our business will get us support at some point
instead of more legislation that hurts our business and is created and isn't
made to ban out porn as a good responsible industry but as an effective
way to get rid of the problems that arise from not being able to keep
our content safe and accessible from anyone except our paying clients.

I'm confident that a lot of negative legislation is the direct result of things
like torrents and free porn because kids and people who aren't interested
in our products are confronted and harassed with it.......coz anyone
can access porn through these channels.....without any verification of
their age, without having to pay and regardless if the nature of the content
is legal.........

2257 is imho for a big part about this......coz if it was just to get rid of the
adult industry as a whole there's a lot better things you can come with to
accomplish that.......governments mostly don't consider our industry as
the biggest problems.......but the negative effects that our business causes
and for doing too little to control it ourselves. Apart from the financial damage
this causes to ourselves we seem to forget about the problems this causes
to children and anyone who doesn't want to get confronted with anything
our business provides.........

Ignoring those things by saying......well I can't help if others steal my shit
give it to kids isn't going to fly........it IS our responsibility to prevent those
things from happening as much as we can.......if we do show we feel
responsible and attempt to do something about we may be able to get
rid of the destructive image our industry currently has.



So you all can keep bashing every initiative that people take to improve our
situation as a whole coz I really don't care......I know that whatever I come
up with is better than doing nothing........apart from the fact that bashing
only shows that you have no interest in this business coz if you do then
this and every other thing that's related to our industry also affect you.

Even if you're an affiliate and don't run any sites yourself.....you will be
effected too......it's a matter of time that before you're not able to
make galleries anymore using pictures you do not own yourself and have
the required documents for to be able to use them.

So anyone laughing and ridiculing these things must be people who don't
have anything todo with this business....if they would they'd think twice
before bashing and making fun of it.......

I won't defend or respond to haters again after this......you can hate all
you want, you can ridicule all you want......It won't hurt my feelings and
it won't hurt my motivation for doing what I do........the only thing that
would bother me.......is realising when it's too late that I didn't do anything
while I still had the chance.......if at some point we still lose then at least
I know that I did my part to prevent it........going under without putting up
a fight is the only thing I'd ever regret.......to fail doesn't bother me at all
especially not when I know I've tried the best to make it work.......coz then
failure is a valuable learning experience.....doing nothing is 10 times worse
than failing....doing nothing will never get you ahead......

Flame away GFY........I'm sure you already noticed....I'm stoned as fuck today
which for some reason makes me posts complete novels......so to hurt my
feelings is even more difficult than usual......so if that's your objective at
least make sure you give it your best shot......

[ServerGenius]

and no I won't give you cliff notes......I'm not stoned enough todo that just yet
besides 99% of you hangs out here doing nothing else anyway......so don't give
me.....I don't have time to read all this.......We all know you've got nothing else to do besides being here to get through the day :-)

[ServerGenius]

I'll be out for a few hours trying to do some work.......so be patient for me to
reply.......I won't ignore you or any accusations my way for not replying to
them within 5 minutes........but if it makes you feel better assuming that
then feel free to take advantage of the moment........and enjoy the feeling
while it lasts........cya later GFY

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

and no I won't give you cliff notes......I'm not stoned enough todo that just yet
besides 99% of you hangs out here doing nothing else anyway......so don't give
me.....I don't have time to read all this.......We all know you've got nothing else to do besides being here to get through the day :-)

lmao. FINE.

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

b.t.w. I was just fucking with ya.....I know closing down a few sites doesn't
solve the problem......but at least it's a start.....it's too easy to bash every
attempt from people who are at least willing to take some kind of action.

So then let's call it even, I was just fucking with you.

There's the kind of pompous, humourless asshole who can think just fine just as soon as someone tells him what to. Obviously you're not it. But there's plenty on GFY.

It won't be an easy fight and it won't go quick.....but at least there's a few
people who seem willing to at least do something......without those nothing
will happen at all and things will only get worse.

You can't fight technology, really. Honest. Look at DRM. After what, 20 years and billions sony&comp put into some working form of DRM, there's still people cracking two year projects in two weeks solo. Sometimes the stronger man is he who quits pissing in the wind first.

All the recent attention on the boards resulted in a bunch of people that
are ready to change that and take some form of action but to be honest
with all the noise we've made I'm still shocked how hard it is to get people
mobilized.......at times I wonder how nuts I am for convincing people who
their business is hurt by this to do something........most seem to have the
idea that it's a lost battle before they even try to do something about it.

Showing the public and the authorities we care is equally important in getting
results than the amount of sites we're able to get closed. Showing we feel
responsible and that we're taking action towards bad effects that are the
result of any form of abuse of our business will get us support at some point
instead of more legislation that hurts our business and is created and isn't
made to ban out porn as a good responsible industry but as an effective
way to get rid of the problems that arise from not being able to keep
our content safe and accessible from anyone except our paying clients.

May well be right.

I'm confident that a lot of negative legislation is the direct result of things
like torrents and free porn because kids and people who aren't interested
in our products are confronted and harassed with it.......coz anyone
can access porn through these channels.....without any verification of
their age, without having to pay and regardless if the nature of the content
is legal.........

2257 is imho for a big part about this......coz if it was just to get rid of the
adult industry as a whole there's a lot better things you can come with to
accomplish that.......governments mostly don't consider our industry as
the biggest problems.......but the negative effects that our business causes
and for doing too little to control it ourselves. Apart from the financial damage
this causes to ourselves we seem to forget about the problems this causes
to children and anyone who doesn't want to get confronted with anything
our business provides.........

Yea, this sounds sensible.

So you all can keep bashing every initiative that people take to improve our
situation as a whole coz I really don't care......I know that whatever I come
up with is better than doing nothing........apart from the fact that bashing
only shows that you have no interest in this business coz if you do then
this and every other thing that's related to our industry also affect you.

Let me say it plain. I'm not bashing the initiative per se. I'm bashing the people that go to slay the dragon, find a cockroach instead and are all ready to celebrate.