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Ryan St. Germain 08-23-2007 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 12976098)
You're letting dislike cloud your judgement :2 cents:

Look up her damn resume, and it should be entirely obvious that she didn't get that resume by being incompetent.

She has a great resume, actually. She's a complete puppet, but that doesn't mean she's not accomplished anything. She's a remarkable person that sold out.

Ryan St. Germain 08-23-2007 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12974767)
Okay, I am trying to be open minded about the guy . . . but . . .

He is on the Daily Show, the topic is his inexperience, or lack thereof.

Part of his reply, along the lines of, "no one has longer resumes' than Rumsfeld and Cheney, and that did not work out too well."

Fine. The only problem is, they were not President. They were, for all intents and purposes, advisers.

Is he saying that if he wins he will surround himself with advisers with short resumes' and little experience (like him and Bush)? Or will he also surround himself with old school?


I agree with his point that having a long resume doesn't make you a competant leader, but neither does having a short one make you a better choice for the job.

I think he was terribly dull on The Daily Show, personally, and that like Kerry, Jon Stewert pitched him a slow ball, and he bunted.

I think America needs a LEADER. Someone that will inspire it's citizens, and make them proud again. Not a leader that will make us travellers tell people in foriegn lands that they are from Canada....

I'm sad to say that I can't really see any great leaderss emerging from either side. I see people getting elected as an alternative to what we have now, but that's not good enough. Lethal injection is an alternative to the electric chair, but the end result is pretty much the same, no?

woodsix 08-23-2007 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12979666)
I know that 92% of blacks voted for Keyy and Gore. So I'm prety sure the Dem nominee will get significantly more votes than the GOP candidate.



Latino typically vote Dem. Typical republican caniddate can expect 20-25% of hispanic vote. Bush for whatever reason got 35-40%. Last time I checked he's not running again.



America isn't ready for a woman or black president. Sad but true.

I know what a woman president is, but what is a "black" president?

In my almost 4 decades on this planet, I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of what a "black" is or what makes someone "black" as opposed to "white" in the U. S.

Grapesoda 08-23-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by woodsix (Post 12979827)
I know what a woman president is, but what is a "black" president?

In my almost 4 decades on this planet, I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of what a "black" is or what makes someone "black" as opposed to "white" in the U. S.

cultural identity.

RawAlex 08-23-2007 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 12979199)
Allow me to play Devils advocate. Our current president pretty mush spent most of his young life chasing pussy and getting drunk/high (not that there is anything wrong with that). He then tried to go into business and even with big money backing from his family and their friends he failed. So he ran for governor of Texas and won. Under Bush Texas ranked last in environmental quality and in the bottom five in strength of economy and quality of education. So the only elected position he has ever had he failed at and that didn't stop him from getting elected twice.

A lack of experience can be an asset if played correctly. A Ross Perot once famously said when asked during a debate about his experience, "You are right, I don't have any experience in how to run up a 4 trillion dollar debt."

Bush is a creation out of whole cloth. The entire family has been formed and molded into "leadership" material, and for the most part they aren't really leaders, but puppets for the guys in the back pulling the strings. Karl Rove won the last election, but the people foolishly though they were voting for Bush.

Lack of experience is one of those things. Nobody wants to fly with a pilot on his first day, nobody wants the to get an operation from the intern, and so on. Experience is something that nobody wants to be earned against them. The Senate and the house are the places where politicians can get all their stupid stuff out, and refine their message and their goals based on the reality of Washington and modern politics. Obama ain't got much of that going for him.

He really would make a great VP at this point. Clinton - Obama ticket would likely be a sure win, giving the first woman president and a "black" VP, which would appeal heavily to the democratic voters, and would allow them to run a more middle of the road message which would get the swing voters. Republicans have nobody out there at this point that can do much with the swing vote, IMHO.

GatorB 08-23-2007 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by woodsix (Post 12979827)
I know what a woman president is, but what is a "black" president?

In my almost 4 decades on this planet, I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of what a "black" is or what makes someone "black" as opposed to "white" in the U. S.

black=negro

escorpio 08-23-2007 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by woodsix (Post 12979827)
I know what a woman president is, but what is a "black" president?

In my almost 4 decades on this planet, I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of what a "black" is or what makes someone "black" as opposed to "white" in the U. S.

Black - A member of a racial group having brown to black skin, especially one of African origin.

White - A member of a racial group of people having light skin coloration, especially one of European origin.

edgeprod 08-23-2007 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12974767)
Is he saying that if he wins he will surround himself with advisers with short resumes' and little experience

That "worked" for Clinton, no? Or, at least fooled enough people into thinking it did. :1orglaugh

woodsix 08-23-2007 07:41 PM

strange definition
 
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12979964)
Black - A member of a racial group having brown to black skin, especially one of African origin.

White - A member of a racial group of people having light skin coloration, especially one of European origin.

People have black skin? I didn't know that was possible.

So, if someone gets a tan, they are black?

Are Indians black?

What is the cutoff point for brown skin?

So, are Japanese considered "white" along with Iranians?

The way people use "black" and "white" you'd think it was an either-or type thing like male or female.

Is "black" and "white" defined by skin color, culture, or genetics?

Does anyone really know?

Snake Doctor 08-23-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12979533)
Very presumptuous. And racist.

Maybe it is, however, it's also very true and there isn't a professional policital operative out there who won't tell you the same thing. (assuming there isn't a news camera within earshot)

baddog 08-23-2007 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12979862)
Clinton - Obama ticket would likely be a sure win

For the Republicans

RawAlex 08-23-2007 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12980153)
For the Republicans

Yeah, right. What, Rudy for Prez? Maybe another actor instead? Fred for Prez?

The republicans have a simple issue: Nobody on their side at this point is electable as is. Either they are far to the end of the political spectrum, or they have tons of baggage that no sane republican could vote for.

What sort of ticket do you think the Repubs could put on the table that would have a hope?

kane 08-23-2007 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12979862)
Bush is a creation out of whole cloth. The entire family has been formed and molded into "leadership" material, and for the most part they aren't really leaders, but puppets for the guys in the back pulling the strings. Karl Rove won the last election, but the people foolishly though they were voting for Bush.

Lack of experience is one of those things. Nobody wants to fly with a pilot on his first day, nobody wants the to get an operation from the intern, and so on. Experience is something that nobody wants to be earned against them. The Senate and the house are the places where politicians can get all their stupid stuff out, and refine their message and their goals based on the reality of Washington and modern politics. Obama ain't got much of that going for him.

He really would make a great VP at this point. Clinton - Obama ticket would likely be a sure win, giving the first woman president and a "black" VP, which would appeal heavily to the democratic voters, and would allow them to run a more middle of the road message which would get the swing voters. Republicans have nobody out there at this point that can do much with the swing vote, IMHO.

I will fully agree that a Clinton ticket with Obama as the VP would be the best possible case for the democrats. One of the democrats problems is that the far left often doesn't vote. A ticket with a woman and a black guy might actually activate them and get them to the polls.

baddog 08-23-2007 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12980167)
What sort of ticket do you think the Repubs could put on the table that would have a hope?

Against Clinton-Obama? Me and JTF could win.

jimthefiend 08-23-2007 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12980185)
Against Clinton-Obama? Me and JTF could win.

In a landslide. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Shakula 08-23-2007 08:46 PM

What difference does it make? Just because you vote in the US you think you have democracy? Last time i checked, buying senators and other politicians did not include in the word "democracy".

Its funny. Now the US wants to bring democracy to Iraq. What the fuck does the US know about democracy? Check the democracy index on wikipedia, you arent even in top 10.

You all seriously think that it will make a difference if hillary or obama is a president? Thats just sad. You should know better. Clinton has more blood on his hands then Bush at the moment, the difference is that Bush went into war and Bill put out sanctions that killed millions of children. Same result, just different ways.

RP Fade 08-23-2007 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12974969)
ummm, he was Illinois General Assembly, U.S. House of Representatives. Maybe not governor, senator, member of cabinet, military general or vice president, but experienced.

Come on now..he might as well have been parking horses in front of the white house :winkwink:

baddog 08-23-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade (Post 12980289)
Come on now..he might as well have been parking horses in front of the white house :winkwink:

He was a pretty accomplished lawyer as well.

spanky part 2 08-23-2007 11:31 PM

Just the fact that you started a thread about him speaks for itself.

I haven't seen too many Mit Romney threads as of late.


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