I think the Middle East has been ruled through out the years by a handful of people who are fucked up. They are sitting on the worlds largest oil reserves; They should be rolling in money and not concerned about killing each other.

Kuwait is a good example. They don't pay taxes; the goverment pays them to live there. And most of their work force is from outside the country.

But you still haven't offered up a answer to the problem? Should we just wait it out and hope it will get better? Or should we invade another country or two?

For starters, CNN never pops up on my tube, and I was not raised on the tele. In the nearly 40 years of my life, college educated, time served in the Armed Forces, and years of reading and listening to the points of others, I have enough life experiences, knowledge and understanding to come to my own conclusions - since "knowledge is power" I don't feel the need to tell you how wrong you are or how well you proved my final point.

Since you are so well read yourself on the Koran, its teachings and the leaders of the Islamic faith, the below information is not intended for you.
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Quotes From The Hadiths:

Sahih Al Bukhari, 216:"I have been ordered to fight against people until they testify that there is no God but Allah & that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah & until he performs the prayers & pays the Zakat."

Sahih Muslim, 217: "Verily Allah has prescribed proficiency in all things. Thus if you kill, KILL WELL, & if you slaughter, SLAUGHTER WELL. Let each one of you sharpen his blade."
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Hadith (الحديث transliteration: al-ḥadīth) are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded as important tools for determining the Sunnah, or Muslim way of life, by all traditional schools of jurisprudence.

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The PROBLEM, again, is not with Middle Eastern People - but with Muslim Extreemists. The Koran itself makes statements than can have multiple meanings. A religion of "PEACE" would interpret those differently than a religion of "Hate". For example,

(Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

The above verse was stated by Mohammed after his first attack. He and his followers mercilessly massacred four innocent and unarmed merchants at Nakhla in 623 AD. The massacre came in January, the sacred month of Rejeb. Arabs regard this month as a sacred month, when warfare and violence is forbidden. Since this barbaric criminal act was led and sanctioned by the "great" prophet Mohammed, we can conclude that Islam's sacred activities include loot and cold-blooded murder of innocent individuals. The very beginnings of Islam are stained with the blood of innocents. That is NOT a religion of "PEACE".

(Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."

A peaceful religion would interpret this in such a way that "GOD" will deal with disbelievers.

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I am praying for the day Bush is removed from office.

Well, I don't pray. But you get my point.

When I say "seperation of Church and State" I mean..... The president of the US doens't have his own church and doesn't let the church dicate the laws of the country. Which is why abortion is legal.

Part of me thinks you subconsciously know why you guys are in the middle east...

Part of me thinks you subconsciously know why you guys are in the middle east...

You don't like middle eastern people and You are married a Middle Eastern Wife? Contradiction Man...

btw. i live in middle east and i m Muslim though, i don't think You are grave enough to talk mine or anybody's face who libves in middle east, but i will give You a chans for talking about us behind ur Keyboard anyway.

yikes.. it's like a flame for all in here.

This is a Christian country, founded on Christian principles. Ask any Christian about abortion and they will give their 2c. However the government has legalized it because they know making it illegal will cause back alley abortions and thousands of innocent un-needed deaths every year and at that point they will get more heat than they need. The government is a business and they know banning abortion will cost more in the end.

If you'd like to see how Christian and backwards this country really is (in most RED areas) type: creationism in school, in Google.

You'll be amazed how much you have in common with these kinds of people, given your opinions on world affairs.

Again this topic is not about the war, it is about Baddog being a creepy homosexual young boy loving obsessed creep.

I agree.

This is like saying a handful of Christians blow up a bomb someplace and suddenly everyone hates Christians because they are terrorists. These handful of extremeists preach and teach hate. However, the problem is the goverments of a large number of countries in the Middle East allow this take place. Most of the terrorists who attacked the US on 9/11 came from where? Saudi Arabia.

What I'm saying is..... If they can't put a stop to this, we'll have to. And in order for us to do this... we'd have to invade with our armies. We are already in Iraq, and already in Afghanistan... And pointing fingers at Iran.

Who's next? (Or should I say "Who's next after Iran?")

We are considered a Christian country because it's the largest religion in the country. And yes, we were founded on Chrstian ideas and values. But we have "Freedom of religion" here. This means when I wake up with morning wood and decide to become a Muslim, I can do so. And I won't have to walk the streets in fear of being attacked because of my religion.

damn how do you guys find the time in the day to argue/debate on a board :helpme

Didn't god tell Bush to attack Iraq? :)

Sam I asked this of you in another thread and you did not reply so I will ask again.

You mentioned WE do not need to fight..

When you say WE you do understand how Canada was created right? How many people died to create the country you call home? How many natives were killed, and tribes killed off so you could call this home?

Also Sam the last time I checked a lot of Canadians were dieing in the middle east as well. What steps have you taken to stand against this. How many letters have you written to your government? How many rallies have you gone to? What have you done to try and change the stance of your own country? Besides posting on GFY?

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Right. But don't move to Iraq and become a Muslim, or you WILL be attacked and most likely killed by Marines and Regulars for your religion. That's not Iraqs fault, Saddam let Sunis and shiites walk free together. This is cause by the USA and it's Christian Values and ideas.

Does this click yet or are you just saying "NO NO NO NO NO NO NO" in your head while you read this?

I am consistent in what I stand for. I don't like or support MPA for their past.

The thing I was trying to point out was that no one questioned the people who used MPA2, nats came out and bashed mansion and a lot of people snuck over to nats under the radar without being questioned.

I am sure you're just giving me shit because you work for sex search.. Well at least you worked for orgasm which is sex search so I assume that's your stance on that.

Propaganda Machine works like clockwork.

Thanks.

I figured thats all you would have to say. Well done. My Point made.

(Please see last line of post 140 in this thread)

do you have a little idea about how many people were killed in the name of the peaceful christian god over the last 2000 years?

LOL! Holy CRAP! I had NO IDEA that US MARINES (Semper Fi!) were running around Iraq killing Muslims because they are Muslims. WOW! Thats astounding! Can you prove this accusation?

I'd like anyone who is trying to debate this issue to really go to the middle east and see what it was like. How insane it really was, and still is before they speak out about is the war right or not.

Speak to people first hand about it and let them tell you.

Where I live just under a year ago a family of women moved in who were refugees from Afghanistan. I've helped them out with finding work, and shopping, and parts of the way of life here.

While speaking with them, the war does come up often, and they are soo very happy as to what is going on. Where they lived it was filled with Al Qaeda terrorists. They could not leave their house or anything else. The women were not allowed to go to school, work, or anything. They were forced into what to wear, who to sleep with, and if not they were beaten and raped. They stayed in their house for well over a year, 2 of their brothers were murdered by Al Qaeda terrorists for not joining them and helping. 3 of their young family members 13, 12, and 15 were kidnapped and raped repeated over and over again by the Al Qaeda terrorists. They still have no idea what happened to them.

Their father was murdered in front of their house trying to defend the Al Qaeda for taking over their house. They had to sneak out at night to get food, and lost a good part of their family, and most of them were raped over and over again. All of their life long possessions stolen, other parts of their family murdered.

After the war began they were able to leave that country and the Al Qaeda is no longer doing this in the part of the country.

In Afghanistan women can go to school again, work, they are not forced into what to wear, when to fuck, who to fuck or be beaten and raped for not listening. This country is now after many years starting to get some form of normalcy. IF no war had happened the people who live behind me who I share some good times with would either be dead or still be getting raped daily.

So you tell me what's right and what's wrong.

Would you like to go over the numbers? Hit me with them, I am ready!

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Well, this is not just to defend Rochard
I was not born American. I worked with Rochard for couple of years. We are still friends now eventhough we are anot working together anymore. I have never felt any racism towards me or any of my family. We don't cut sex off him so he has to be nice to us. He has been always very helpful and the one I reach in difficult times. We may disagree on some political issues (I still remember our heated debates before the 04 elections) but overall I can't call him racist at all even think about it.

"Small minds discuss persons. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas." For any one who's calling Rochard a racist: If you disagree with Rochard's views, you can discuss them without calling him names.

Thanks

He's a good guy, I'd have his back and I would hope he would have mine if anything went down. I'd happily open my door to him if he needed shelter or food.

I disagree with him on several political stances, that has nothing to do with his overall character.

Damn this thread took a turn from the start... WOW!

this thread is fucking silly

nah, i got work to do. but just think of the crusades, the burning of "witches" in the name of god, protestants vs. catholics in nothern ireland, the killing of natives in your own country and mexico by the spanish conquerors and so on and so on...

oh really? Have you checked the back of your $1 bills or heard the pledge of allegiance? Should I go on?

Your right.. the crusades.. I forgot! Didn't they start after the Moor's invasion of Europe as Christendom feared another Muslim expansion into Europe? Didn't the Moor's kill or convert everyone in their path through Africa and up into Europe?

If you want to do a CUM total for all sides, I am more than willing to work on it with you. I'm not 100% solid on the Moor's expansion and the numbers of people they murdered, but I am willing to do the work to research it if you are?

Uh, yeah - thats becuase this COUNTRY was founded by Christians - who also saw fit to put HIGH UP on their list - "The Freedom Of Religion" - which NO WHERE suggests "the freedomo FROM religion".

They gave right for people to practice WHATEVER faith they so choose - but NEVER intended FAITH to be ABSENT from our society!

I guess I was wrong about that CNN and about you using several sources... LOL.

Just to let you know. I was Muslim for about 13 yrs. I'm African American if that matters to you. Even went to Muslim school for a couple of years. So, I know a bit about the Quran. Not once, was I told to hate others.

If I were to hate everyone of every race that pissed me off or took the media as 100% truthfull, I would be severly fucked up. Two days, ago an older asian woman hit my car. Maybe. I should hate all old asian women. Better, yet let me hate all asians. Hell, I got stopped at Target the other week by a hispanic security guard who thought I stole something. Maybe I should hate all hispanics. Sounds good? I use to get teased for being Muslim by white catholic kids. Maybe, I should hate them all because I know they all act and think the same... Ignorance bares no race, sex or religion. But, you wouldn't know that. Seeing, as CNN didn't tell you so...

I could go on and on. But, it would be a waste of time. How about you turn off Bill O' Reily, close your Wikipedia page, go outside and get some fresh air.

Moral of this thread? Being hateful takes up too much energy and is too time consuming. You could be doing something useful, but you rather post hateful propaganda. Your acting as hateful as the people you are hating. Congrats to the winners.

"Ignorance is bliss" - hmm where did I get that from...

Congrats to the winners.

done by alQita and (thats bad no matter done by whom) still bad is bad, but let's listen some smillar storys from Iraqi ladys about US soldiers.

Women can work? they can go to school without matter? hahahahahaha, what a dumbness, i think You have never been at middle east, there are unrighted laws here and somebody will never care what Fast food Eaters are talking about.

So what you are saying is the Iraq and Afghanistan were better off and more livable pre war?

It's interesting to note how at every turn you have to suggest that all my opinions are formed from some TV influence, and not of my own mind. Either you see yourself as an elitist intectually, or you are drawing from your own experiences.

I don't seem to recall stating that I hate anyone. I do seem to recall classifying that "the extreemists" were my concern. Your race or current religion, are not qualifiers for me on any level.

What does cause me to think, is your past religion. Not that all Muslims are terrorists, but that nearly ALL terrorists are Muslims. Because of that mere fact, it would be foolish for any level headed human to take at face value what others in that religion profess. Especially, since it is an extreme minority of that faith who speak out against those who commit terror acts in the NAME of Islam.

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:1orglaugh:1orglaugh very true

I've never worked for sexsearch nor have i ever heard of orgasm. Most importantly, I'm not giving you shit. I just think that it's wrong to be so totally selective of what YOU feel constitutes theft and when aiding and abetting is wrong.

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damn I got some catching up to do

wrong - go back reading, look out for the year 1096

i have no time for research - but just with 5 minutes of looking i already found numbers of up to 22 million people that died in the 300 years the crusades took. sounds a bit much to me, who knows. i wasn't there

200 smelly old hippies

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr 202 ;)