This is a excellent idea, but .................................................. ........

I can say you that users are able to find this link!

The only link is small, and located BELOW THE FOLD on a 1600X1200 screen. On an 800 X 600 or 1200X whatever, it would be two full screens below the video.

It is clear that the intent of the site is to generate hits to cam sites, dating sites, to etology pay per click ads, and importantly to get people to signup to xtube to pay for videos on their VOD system. It is not designed in the slightest to get traffic to the site that the video comes from.

Any program owner that thinks they are getting a good deal on that should contact me about the sunny warm lake front property I am selling cheap in Nunavut.

I said that looking my stats. CTR is really shitty but I cannot complain at all. It's a good balance. Webmasters contents are making xtube bigger and wider and both webmasters both xtube owner are making money. Program owners are happy (at least 100% of he ones that I talked with). The black point are users. Not amateur users but normal users. Every day I see stolen contents uploaded by users, NOT webmasters. Proly a user cannot understand the difference between stolen and not stolen contents. It's porn! Free porn good to jerk them off! XTUBE should keeping eyes opened on users. Webmasters are the most safe people that they could deal with. Users are wasting the system. So or control users uploading or closing eyes. Banning webmasters doesn't change the situation because the problem is on another side.

That's an example of what I was trying to say

http://www.XTube.com/play_re.php?v=9...cl=N5abX5cdsC9

It has been uploaded by a normal users. It seems to be something amateur but NOPE. It's not amateur. It's a STOLEN CONTENT produced by GammaCash / GayPornAccess. Lets say that webmasters have been banner.... users keep uploading stolen stuff. Isn't better let webmasters posting stuff with their ref code so: xtube owners are happy, webmaster are happy, sponsors are happy. It's so great! Why try to fix the problem on one side if the real problem is on another side?

simons, I understand your point, but that is almost besides the point. much of the "webmaster" uploaded content is content intended for affiliates to build galleries and free sites that they host themselves, not to be uploaded to another site. Further, because of the site design and layout, I would guess that 99.8% of the clickouts off that page aren't going to the sponsor who's content is used even when it is uploaded with full permission.

There is 6 to 8 ad spots significantly more prominent on that page, and they are mostly above the fold line. The sponsor's content is being used mostly to sell dating and sell cam shows. It isn't being used to sell their site.

There is no argument you can make that would make that problem go away. All this site is doing is giving away an ass load of content and not even bothering to put the effort into marketing the sites that the content comes from.

I dare you to make a few galleries like this and show them to your sponsors and see how they feel.

Oh yeah, and simons, I'm in the porn business. uploading your gay home movies and thinking you might upset someone is rather silly. "uploaded 7 minutes ago". Nice.

You're right but I've ever asked the agreement of the sponsors that I promote. I know lots of sponsor owners that are promoting their sites on xtube. What's the difference between a gallery and an uploaded movie on xtube? None. They're free contents giving away. It needs about a couple of hundreds of tube sites to cover all free stuff that you can find looking tgp/free sites and so on. Sponsors haven't any problem with galleries.

Regarding CTR you're right too. But it seems that this CTR is good for both side. Xtube owners get a huge % of clicks to their adv. That's good and the smaller % of clicks on webmaster's banners seems to be profitable too if people keep posting every day ;).

lol, are you thinking that I've uploaded this movie? Nope, you're wrong. I got it from last uploded movies (http://www.xtube.com/videos.php?c=mrv&sex_type=G)

See this is what worries me, they already seem to be most worried about sending traffic to their ?sponsor? and try to kind of hide where it came from. Now I understand they need to make money, but I know how these things go soon they see the contributors are completion and think they can fix the traffic links by just removing as many of them as possible to increases their profits.

Now I am not sure this is what?s going on, but really when you start to talk about banning ALL WM?s for a site built on content provided by them it just seems fishy. And to add to all this they are not really telling anyone what is going on they come to a WM board and say hey what do you think about us banning all WM?s. How do you think this is going to go?

Watttttttttttt ??

Maxpower, this is all part of the greater shift in traffic and affiliate programs that has been coming for a few years.

As more and more traffic sources come into play that can be purchased or traded for, traditional websites such as TGPs, galleries, free sites, blogs, etc are all become less and less relevant to some programs. They have Zangos, torrents, and tube sites to get traffic from. Much in the same way some programs were totally addicted to spam traffic, some have beecome addicted to web2.0 traffic.

What many of them are not seeing (or not caring about at this point) is how these sites are accellerating the decline of the adult business. The 1 in 200 business that in 2 years turned into a 1 in 2000 business and is rapidly heading to a 1 in 20,000 business. They are making the mistake of thinking they can support sites that give all of the product away and somehow make it up in volume.

Instead, they are killing demand for their products, and the only people left laughing are the dating, cam, and toy sites who's business doesn't change because their content can't be given away.

For them, WM are not the focus of thier business anymore.

so you only have one sponsor on your sites and no other ads to other sponsors at all ? he has a link on the page to the sponsor and the ref code would be in place to the webmasters site that would also have a link to the sponsor .... as for reposting or distributing the content dont all webmasters do that the second we download the content to put on our sites ?

Why can't the video itself be linked?

Why not just limit all videos to be no longer than 2 minutes in length... The biggest complaint is people uploading entire videos ripped off from other sites... You could then only allow "approved" submitters to post longer videos and they must be reviewed first. Or some variation of this.

What's wrong with the BangBros ones? They're only 1 minute clips (you get just as much or more on LLs and TGPs) and there's a link that leads to the site... Granted I think the link should be overlayed on the video or something like that, at least it's being done to promote the site.

The Sean Cody one.. yeah.. 7 minutes is a bit much.. no affiliate link either.

Compare it to a TGP gallery. Very few sponsors will allow you to use their content on a TGP gallery if you fill up that gallery with ads for another program and bury a small link of theirs near the bottom.

The idea behind sponsor content is that it is used to promote that sponsor.

That is also why reposting the content on a third party site is most often not allowed. Reposting content on your own site (galleries, blogs, etc) means it is being used by someone (the affiliate) who got permission to use that content. Reposting on a third party site (tubes, etc) removes it from the control of the sponsor, since the third party site is not bound to any agreements between the sponsor and the affiliate.

Can you give examples of other sites like xtube?

VoyeurWeb, RedClouds, Homeclips, Rude.com I can think of.

Yuvutu, Youporn, Pornotube, Megarotic, Shufuni, BeastTube (protip: avoid), ImageFap (images only), ImageReverb (images only), Flurl, RedTube, BadJoJo, YourFileHost, TimTube, YourPornTube, LubeYourTube (gay), etc.

But sure, we can monitor it all :disgust

Seriously, I think going with a paid webmaster model would be brilliant. Charge $20 a month, allow for text linking in the description and/or a larger banner (468x60) and reduce the amount of ads that show up near the top of the page.

I'd pay for that monthly.

1 minute stitch togethers are still an issue - the content isn't provided like that to start with, but rather as 6 20 second clips or whatever. The beauty of a TGP is most surfers don't watch all of the clips, and they certainly have a hard time to click and whack at the same time. Give them one minute run time they might be able to rub one out.

That is between the video site, the affiliate uploader and the sponsor. Not a bunch of GFY wackos who are blind to new sources of traffic.

The smart bet is on the watermarks alone being worth a good amount of uncredited affiliate traffic. So right there is enough reason for a sponsor to not only allow this, but encourage it.

There might be a problem with the fact that they have selected and submitted content, I agree with that... Still, user submitted sites do NOT redistribute even if they reencode the content to publish it. They do NOT select it... the 2257 regs clearly state in 2 (h) (B) (v) if you only "[transmit, store, retreive, host, FORMAT or TRANSLATE]" a communication and do not SELECT or ALTER the content then you are not a producer... If they actually watermark each video, it might be altering it, not sure if thats enough though...

But simply reencoding it into another format is not enough to be a producer.

The main 2257 issue they might face is, I agree with that, the fact that they have actual selected and user submitted content mixed up in one site...

Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit,Ripshit off!

What is the difference in WM and affiliates to xtube I really do not get this, I own the site but I have to join my affiliate program and pay myself 1% just to participate? I really do not get this?

Are they really saying they will not allow “us” to send them clips from our site in exchange for a return link, this is kind of what is sounds like of where they are going with this to me.

I do agree this is not a good thing but for different reasons too, I work with allot of gay content and all the LL’s ect are about dead as people just do not care about image content when they can get vids for free. Now as this tubes stuff goes one we will see longer and longer vids being offered for free just to get more attention for programs. This will soon devalue video content in the same way we have already done with pics. What the hell are we going to have to sell after that, not sure I want to sell sex toys :(

How can they say (WM are not the focus of thier business anymore) where do they think these videos come from?

I am just really lost with this stuff and do not see why more people are not really pissed off it what I think is going on is really true. BTW this vote is a joke, what WM’s want to be banned I guess the ones that do not use it in the first place hu?

3-20 seconds clips these days is typical (and some sponsors offer even more) and then multiples of them which a surfer can download and play all at once or play just the one he wants over and over again while jerking off (I find it odd that you wouldn't know this and that you would think he's going to be clicking while trying to whack off)... A suffer can't download and can't loop with Flash (unless the players have been setup to loop or they search out some tools to dowload etc.).. I've made 2 minute teaser Flash clips for some of my blogs (from 30+ minute videos) and they are actually VERY good at building the frustration factor. But then again I put some thought into what I do and I don't show the money shot.

I support the issues against full site rips, full movies, torents, the video "sharing" sites etc. but lets not lose sight of the reality of what the internet is these days.. It's Flash videos on tube type sites... Embedding flash clips in blogs etc.. So no. I can't agree with you that 1 minute stitched together is the same issue... Far from it... and if you start getting that picky you're going to lose any support you might try and put together...

Focus on the big issues... No site rips... No full or long videos.. Must be linked to sponsors... Watermarks not removied/obscured... Not used to promote other sites.

What is the difference in WM and affiliates to xtube I really do not get this, I own the site but I have to join my affiliate program and pay myself 1% just to participate? I really do not get this?

Are they really saying they will not allow ?us? to send them clips from out site in exchange for a return link, this is kind of what is sounds like of where they are going with this to me.

I do agree this is not a good thing but for different reasons too, I work with allot of gay content and all the LL?s ect are about dead as people just do not care about image content when that can get vids for free. Now as this tubes stuff goes one we will see longer and longer vids being offered for free just to get more attention for programs. This will soon devalue video content in the same way we have already done with pics. What the hell are we going to have to sell after that, not sure I want to sell sex toys :(

How can they say (WM are not the focus of thier business anymore) where do they think these videos come from?

I am just really lost with this stuff and do not see why more people are not really pissed off it what I think is going on is really true. BTW this vote is a joke, what WM?s want to be banned I guess the ones that do not use it in the first place hu?

Sorry guys this thing takes too long to refresh sometimes I guess

So basically, we built the monster and now we can't control it. That's responsible. Thank you Dr. Frankenstein.

So basically, "We built the monster and now we can't control it."

That's responsible. Thank you Dr. Frankenstein.

maxpower, I think they are talking about banning "affiliates" from submitting, and only allowing program owners to submit.

Program owners need to realize that these sites aren't helping. Video clip content shouldn't run 1 or 2 minutes without interruption, that is more than enough for a dedicated wanker to get off, not just get up. You want surfers excited, not satisfied.

I understand where the tube site owners are coming from - they are looking at the sheer volume of traffic, the daily click counts (they all talk proudly about that) but what they won't tell you is the percentage of people who actually click on the link off to the paysite in question (it's a really small number) nor will they disclose how many click on the other stuff on the page (a higher number, but they won't discuss it because it's their income).

Once again, tube sites are like dating sites, they aren't in the business of selling porn, because they are burning through the porn too quickly. Why do you think they have so many cam and dating banners? Because it is the only think left that they can sell. They don't even try to make the porn banners on the pages relevant, the Peter North videos had a bunch of gay banners on the page, the teen videos had a bunch of shemale banners, etc. They are trying have to get people to go to dating and cam sites.

Tube sites once again don't have any skin in the game. They have nothing to lose, everything to gain. They have no concern over rights and over exposure and burning the porn sites, because they really aren't in the business of selling porn. Once you grock that, the rest is easy.

The simple solution for sponsors would be to quit arguing on GFY, and just sue Xtube. XTube would be forced to settle, or fight a lengthy court case -- which would probably change their stance on stolen content.

Of course, all sponsors should be watching the Viacom vs. Youtube situation before acting, to ensure any lawsuit would not be a wasted venture.

The Braincash WM who uploaded the PN video should have been aware of those conditions. Braincash could also have contacted us to let us know. Considering both parties did not, and I have found out via GFY, I have included Braincash in the DO NOT PROMOTE list that all WMs see when they log into the home page of XTube.

Thanks for pointing that out. Now that it has been reported this user has been banned. You could have reported him through the site - there is a link ON his profile as well as each upload.

This change secures the video from easy theft.

Incorrect. We do not brand any videos. Our logo appears on the player, not the footage.

Anyone can contact any user on the site. Try it.

There is no line between paid and free content to blurr. They are in completely separate sections.

We want public users to have the option of uploading their own home-made stuff. By allowing that there are losers who will break the rules, as previously mentioned, and who get dealt with (banned) when we locate them.

Thanks for the heads up on that one Steve. User has been banned. He was posing as a WM but was not providing linking codes or sponsors - obviously, he has no legitimacy.

Steve, you are the 3rd person to find a violation and allow it to stay online by failing to report it through the tools available on the site.

I was advised by many to not start this thread, but I decided against them and did so anyways. I want to know what the GFY WMs think. I am not have tantrums, but I am amazed at a lot of what I am reading. At the same time I understand and agree with a lot too. It's hard to have discussions when most people are angry or not reading/retaining what is going on.

This was uploaded by a BB WM (xxxvideosnow) who is promoting Ass Parade. He has a valid linking code on that upload.
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You clearly have not read ANYthing I have written. Scroll up or page-back and read the process I outlined.

Any WM on XTube can read the list of whom not to promote on the home page. Also, any WM who can read at all can find out from the TOS available from each Sponsor.

Lance, once again you guys are going about this entirely backwards. You shouldn't be making a blacklist, but making a WHITELIST. There are very, very few programs that are going to be interested in allowing their affiliates to post videos onto pages that don't promote their product. I can find that requirement in almost every program out there.

I would venture to say that pretty much every one of the major programs has a similar restriction somewhere on their webmaster site about the use of materials.

Banning webmasters is pointless if you will let the general public post the same videos. Allowing anyone to be a "webmaster" is just nuts.

As for your logo, I am looking at it as an end user. I click a link to see a video, a video screen comes up, your logo plays for 5 seconds and then the video plays. As far as I can tell (as an end user) you branded the videos. Have the programs given you the right to brand or co-brand their product?

I cannot contact any user on the site directly. I can click a link that says "contact bob", but I can't get his 2257 location, I cannot find where his documents would be located, i cannot find his business office and I cannot find who his records agent is. If you are claiming to be only a host, and are claiming to enforce 2257 requirements, you are failing.

Oh how fucking noble of you. Like you guys would be the ones concerned with theft. Are you thinking that some other tube company will come in and jack your stuff? Guess what? It ain't your stuff.

I understand where the confusion has caused you to think this, and it is my fault for not being clear. Because there is no obvious distinction between a WM upload and a stolen user upload I get a lot of grief about how we are ripping off you hard working people.

XTube does NOT want to rip people off, and we do NOT want to work against anyone. We allow WMs to use our BW/Hosting/Traffic/Members to drive traffic to whatever they want to legitimately promote - FOR FREE... And then the same WMs come bitching to us about it.

I got fed up and thought I would pose the question about no longer allowing it, considering that is the impression I got from the community. Seems no one wants us to do it. Now that I ask the question I see the problem lies in the perception of the people. Max, you are right, WMs are the best source or consistently legit content, and I do not want to remove that.

That is a valid concern, and I agree with you.

Nunavut is warm?

I should just ask GFY'ers to find/report violations. Thanks, user banned.

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Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with you Steve? Surf Xtube everyday and use the tools on the site! :winkwink:

it's as warm as the webmaster uploaded videos on your site are used with full permission.

Great idea, I will look into the mechanics.

Then what is your theory on why content owners continue to upload video after video to these sites?

I don't think that many content owners do, and those that do are deluding themselves into thinking that the amount of dilution of their product is worth the sales they are getting.

Some companies are also burning all their old content this way, as we move to HD.

Some people spent a ton of money on content, made thier money back in the good times, and are now looking for the gravy sales.

In all cases, I don't think they are really paying attention to just how much money they are making for the xtube guys, who run huge numbers of unrelated ads on the pages, profitting from the content without giving back anywhere near a reasonable amount of traffic.

I have a feeling it may be a "bro" thing. :)