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yys · 08-14-2007, 06:49 AM

I found this interesting. What was causing all that warming in the 1930's? I wonder why we haven't heard more about these changes.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...efe0905363&p=1

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Lorne Gunter, National Post
Published: Monday, August 13, 2007

In his enviro-propaganda flick, An Inconvenient Truth, Al Gore claims nine of the 10 hottest years on record have occurred in the last decade. That's been a common refrain for environmentalists, too, and one of the centrepieces of global warming hysteria: It's been really hot lately -- abnormally hot -- so we all need to be afraid, very afraid. The trouble is, it's no longer true.

Last week, NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies -- whose temperature records are a key component of the global-warming claim (and whose director, James Hansen, is a sort of godfather of global-warming alarmism) -- quietly corrected an error in its data set that had made recent temperatures seem warmer than they really were.

A little less than a decade ago, the U.S. government changed the way it recorded temperatures. No one thought to correlate the new temperatures with the old ones, though -- no one until Canadian researcher Steve McIntyre, that is.

McIntyre has become the bane of many warmers' religious-like belief in climate catastrophe. In 2003, along with economist Ross McKitrick, McIntyre demolished the Mann "hockey stick" --a graph that showed stable temperatures for 1,000 years, then shooting up dangerously in the last half of the 20th Century.

The graph was used prominently by the UN and nearly every major eco lobby. But McIntyre and McKitrick demonstrated it was based on incomplete and inaccurate data.

To NASA's credit, when McIntyre pointed out their temperature errors they quickly made corrections.

Still, the pro-warmers who dominate the Goddard Institute almost certainly recognized the impacts these changes would have on the global-warming debate, because they made no formal announcement of their recalculations.

In many cases, the changes are statistically minor, but their potential impact on the rhetoric surrounding global warming is huge.

The hottest year since 1880 becomes 1934 instead of 1998, which is now just second; 1921 is third.

Four of the 10 hottest years were in the 1930s, only three in the past decade. Claiming that man-made carbon dioxide has caused the natural disasters of recent years makes as much sense as claiming fossil-fuel burning caused the Great Depression.

The 15 hottest years since 1880 are spread over seven decades. Eight occurred before atmospheric carbon dioxide began its recent rise; seven occurred afterwards.

In other words, there is no discernible trend, no obvious warming of late.

Ever since the correction became a hot topic on blogs, the pro-warmers have tried to downplay its significance, insisting, for example, that the alterations merely amount to "very minor rearrangements in the various rankings."

It's true the changes aren't dramatic. But the optics are.

Imagine if the shoe were on the other foot. Imagine the shrieking of the warmers if we had previously thought that hot years were scattered throughout the past 130 years, but after a correction the warmest years could be seen to be concentrated in the past decade.

They would insist the revised data proved their case. They would blitz every news organization and talk show. They would demand to be allowed to indoctrinate school children on the evils of cars and factories.

So they shouldn't be permitted to brush aside this new data, which makes their claims harder to prove.

Ten years ago, warmers found a similarly small error in the temperature data collected by weather satellites. The satellites were a thorn in their sides because while the warmers were insisting the Earth was getting hotter, the satellites showed it was in fact cooling ever so slightly.

Then the warmers discovered that the scientists who maintained the orbiting thermometers had failed to account for orbital decay, the almost infinitesimally small downward drift of the "birds" every year.

When the effects of drift were added into the observations, the cooling was found to be just 0.01 degree per decade rather than the 0.04 degrees previously claimed.

On this basis, the warmers now insisted then that even the satellites were somehow in agreement with their theory.

Of course, the current NASA changes are only for data collected in the United States. But available surface temperature readings cover only half the planet even today. Before the Second World War, they covered less than a quarter. So U.S. readings for a period that goes as far back as 1880 are among the most reliable there are.

Perhaps we will have uncontrollable warming in the future, but it likely hasn't started yet.

stickyfingerz · 08-14-2007, 07:00 AM

Didnt need Nasa to tell me that. My grandmother and grandfather that lived through the 30's told me this years ago.

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In other words, there is no discernible trend, no obvious warming of late.

ZCurve · 08-14-2007, 07:06 AM

[QUOTE=yys;12925876]I found this interesting. What was causing all that warming in the 1930's? I wonder why we haven't heard more about these changes.

LOL @ the Naional Post..it's a Neo-con publication. what else do you expect them to write/say about global warming?

yys · 08-14-2007, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by yys

I found this interesting. What was causing all that warming in the 1930's? I wonder why we haven't heard more about these changes.

LOL @ the Naional Post..it's a Neo-con publication. what else do you expect them to write/say about global warming?

What does someones political leanings have to do with NASA disseminating faulty data thats been used to prove that the world was getting warmer over the last decade?

directfiesta · 08-14-2007, 07:25 AM

from yesterday:

Measurements made by the US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) showed the extent of sea ice on 8 August was almost 30% below the long-term average.

In December 2006, a study by US researchers forecast that the Arctic would be ice-free by 2040.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6944401.stm

BTW, why is global warming such a political, right-left in the USA ...???

Violetta · 08-14-2007, 08:01 AM

this summer has been cold anyway... I could need some global WARMING!

CIVMatt · 08-14-2007, 08:09 AM

Global warming is a myth... welcome to the cycle of the earths environment

ADL Josh · 08-14-2007, 08:16 AM

interesting article

Baal.PitBull · 08-14-2007, 08:22 AM

Its getting hot in here
so take off all your clothes

potter · 08-14-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

BTW, why is global warming such a political, right-left in the USA ...???

seriously, it's ALWAYS political here in the states. annoys the shit out of me. we've just got soo many political agendas going on that either side is always battling "truth".

D · 08-14-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Global warming is a myth... welcome to the cycle of the earths environment

While "man-made global warming" versus "global warming caused by natural cycles" is certainly an area for debate, "global warming" itself is not a myth - and is pretty much scientific fact.

And whether or not our pollutants are causing the climate of the earth to change, they certainly do have an impact on the survivability of species around the world.

Dollarmansteve · 08-14-2007, 09:38 AM

fact: we'll all be dead in <100 years. Who cares.

jonesonyou · 08-14-2007, 09:41 AM

Political, because both sides make money [right or left] on the issue. Companies can sell products both ways.

ztik · 08-14-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Global warming is a myth... welcome to the cycle of the earths environment

Yeah the earth cycles. Just wait until the next ice age. We can blaim it on some other random crap and sell dvd's about it.

Juicy George · 08-14-2007, 10:18 AM

What i hate is the way the gumbyments are using the whole global warming debate as a method of claiming more money through the forms of taxes such as "carbon tax" and other equally ridiculous things!

_Richard_ · 08-14-2007, 10:23 AM

i am so sick of people trying ot prove that global warming is not man made

what does it matter

it's still warming up, and regardless if i can or cannot prove that fact, we still have a major impact

people are nuts

Rochard · 08-14-2007, 10:29 AM

Newsweek just had an interesting cover story about global warming. The article mentioned that if global warming is true.... There could be hundreds of reasons for it. One of them mentioned is the fact that we are creating "concrete jungles" - citys full of pavement and concrete which affect the heat of the planet in huge ways.

D · 08-14-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ztik

Yeah the earth cycles. Just wait until the next ice age. We can blaim it on some other random crap and sell dvd's about it.

Actually, as global warming will most likely be responsible for the next ice age (continued global warming = stalling of oceanic conveyor = next ice age)... we don't need to find other random crap to blame it on... we can blame it on the same crap.

CIVMatt · 08-14-2007, 10:49 AM

I fully believe in 100-200 years people are going to be freeking out because of global cooling

Mr Steele · 08-14-2007, 11:02 AM

I'm more concerned with Global Dimming..

Good BBC documentary on it here:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...ch&plindex =0

One of the best/scariest documentaries I've ever seen on any subject

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

KILL_FRENZY · 08-14-2007, 02:25 PM

interesting article

mattz · 08-14-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

fact: we'll all be dead in <100 years. Who cares.

your kids kids wont be

baddog · 08-14-2007, 03:25 PM

If it wasn't for global warming, we would not even be here.

baddog · 08-14-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mattz

your kids kids wont be

my kids are in their 20's

MetaMan · 08-14-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

i am so sick of people trying ot prove that global warming is not man made

what does it matter

it's still warming up, and regardless if i can or cannot prove that fact, we still have a major impact

people are nuts

how the hell can you even ask why does it matter?

if it is natural (which it is) and not man made there is a huge difference.

you are the one who is nuts.

GreyWolf · 08-14-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

fact: we'll all be dead in <100 years. Who cares.

It's not a coincidence that is exactly what a number of politicians have said - "I'll not be in office when the problem hits, so who cares?"

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