Well you are actually fighting Muslims from Middle East, and yes you have been oppressing and killing them for 50 years, at least. They fight each other over there but they are pretty united when facing outside enemy. If you support Israel, you oppress and kill Palestinians and for any Saudi or Lebanese or Jordan etc. it is like you are oppressing and killing themselves.

USA would have NEVER been attacked IF you didn?t support Israel. Why would they attack you? Because they hate freedom like Bush tells you? :) Wonder why they haven?t attacked Sweden or Norway or Japan or New Zeeland or Greece or whatever. They attacked you because you have different religion?? Again, why didn?t they attack any of the countries I counted above?

:1orglaugh Why is it he is posting as if nothing went on?

Posting that image over and over with no response makes who the attention seeker?

I love this part

1947-48: U.S. backs Palestine partition plan. Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return.

Oh really? So suddenly the US decided to create Israel and thus it was so?

Not so much. Study your fucking history already.

The first wave of Jewish immigration to Israel started in 1891, increased through out the years, and then exploded in the 1940s for the most obvious of reasons.

And because none of you understand history, you might be surpised to learn that this entire region was controled by whom prior to 1946? Not the US.... Have you ever heard of the "British Mandate of Palestine"?

Here's a nice litlle quote....
The award of the mandates was delayed as a result of the United States' suspicions regarding Britain's colonial ambitions and similar reservations held by Italy about France's intentions. France in turn refused to reach a settlement over Palestine until its own mandate in Syria became final. According to Louis,Together with the American protests against the issuance of mandates these triangular quarrels between the Italians, French, and British explain why the A mandates did not come into force until nearly four years after the signing of the Peace Treaty....
(Quote Link)

We can debate this until we are blue in the face. All of this happened long before any of us were born. All of this seems to be because of a damn plot of land. If we could take Israel and move to - say - Cananda.... Would that really change anything? Best case their respective govenments would just fight amoung each other....

Because it was resolved and nothing was ever stolen? Or are you going to say I bribed him by buying a camera that was more than what the content sale was for. Maybe there is more to the story than what little trolls on gfy are privy to?

Ok so how am I "a little off", Tony? At no point did I get into Saddam's reasoning for the invasion because it had absolutely nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

In case you haven't noticed I'm not a huge supporter of Bush. I surely don't listen much to what he says, unless it's on Youtube when he says something utterly stupid.

Israel wasn't created by the US alone. This was pretty much the result of what happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis during WWII. (Note I said Nazis and not Germans, before you start bashing me for hating the Germans.) From what I understand, the largest concentration of Jews in the world at that time was in that little area of the middle east.

But you say "that land didn't belong to the Jews"? No, before then it belonged to the British. And before the British it belong to the Turks.

To answer your question about why they haven't attacked any other country..... Seems to me they attacked England also.

I really don't care what went on behind the scenes as that is usually complete bs and wasn't aware you bought him a camera that is/was more valuable than the content. That actually rings a few alarm bells mind you :2 cents:

:1orglaugh

What fucking comic book did you pull that bullshit out of? They aren't fighting and suicide bombing because they feel oppressed, the are doing it because some religious extremist freak told them that God wants them to kill all infidels and will reward them in heaven if they do. Does the term "jihad" ring any bells? Typical ignorant sheep, you're not even clear on the facts, you just "hate the Americans" because you think it's the "cool" thing to do...

They did attack UK but I don?t think UK is any better then USA in their eyes. Actually I would bet they see UK as even bigger ?evil? or ?threat? or whatever you want to call it. USA, Israel and UK are probably most hated countries in Arab world. They also attacked Spain because they had solders in Iraq. Spain has pulled their solders and they haven?t been attacked since. Also, Spain hasn?t been attacked before they sent solders to Iraq.

Yes, UK is responsible for creating Israel and Nazis definitely played their part in it. But USA helped creating Israel too. Actually, USA went in to the WWI after rich Jewish Americans made UK promise to give Palestine to Jews. But that is not important. USA is still supporting Israel, not only politically but actually arming Israel with modern weapons. Same weapons that are used to kill Palestinians.

But I really don?t expect you to agree with me. Let me ask you a question? Why do YOU think they attacked USA??

Where in that quote does it say that the US created Israel ( just quote ..).
You should read it again, and pay attention to the second part of the sentence.

I just want to point out that having a discussion with you is pointless and meaningless, because you " re-invent " what people said, or you plain don't understand.

Those years, when Israel was created, were troubled after war years; and the horrific crimes that were commited against jews simply because they were jews doesn't justify committing more crimes again there against a civil population ...

Funny :)

So let me ask you same question I asked Rockhard. Why aren't they attacking any other country if they hate infidels so much??? Why not attack Vatican or at least Italy? Why not attack Russia? Why not attack China?

They resort to suicide bombing BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO FIGHT BACK! Do you even know ?suicide attacks? are as old as war itself? Ever heard of Japanese kamikaze fighters?

Just to educate you, the term ?Jihad? means struggle. You can have ?Jihad? on everything, from fighting against poverty or diseases to fighting against oppression. It is a synonym for ?fight against infidels? as you idiots would think :)

That's an outstanding question - and one I do not really have an answer for.

My best guess is that because the US supports Israel. If I recall correctly, the US sends more to Israel than all other countries combined on a yearly basis. (Don't quote me on this statistic, but if someone would research it that would be great!). Perhaps if we withdrew all financial aid for Israel.... Nah. That wouldn't change a damn thing at this point.

All of this points back to a single plot of land. Unless they plan on killing every Jew in Israel, nothing is gonna change.

Are you clinically retarded? They suicide bomb so they can become Martyred. The Japanese kamikaze fighters did it for honor. Shit, learn your fucking history.

You don't think they attack other countries?! Here, let me give you A FEW quick and recent examples:


August 31, 2005: A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills ten people and injures 33.

September 1 – 3, 2005: Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia, results in 344 dead, mostly children.

July 7, 2005: London bombings – Bombs explode on one double-decker bus and three London Underground trains, killing 56 people and injuring over 700, occurring on the first day of the 31st G8 Conference. The attacks are the first suicide bombings in Western Europe.

July 21, 2005: Attempted London bombings - Small explosions in three London Underground stations and one double-decker bus. This was pronounced as a "major incident" rather than an attack, and only minor injuries were reported. These four bombs were designed to cause as much damage as the 7 July 2005 London bombings, but the explosives had deteriorated and failed to detonate.

October 1, 2005: A series of explosions occurs in resort areas of Jimabaran Beach and Kuta in Bali, Indonesia.

October 29, 2005: In Poso, Central Sulawesi (Indonesia), four Christian schoolgirls aged 15 to 17 years on their way home from school were assaulted by six masked Muslim men who beheaded three of them, Theresia Morangke, Alfita Poliwo, and Yarni Sambue, with machetes and placed their severed heads in front of a church and a police station. The fourth girl, Noviana Malewa, survived but suffered serious machete wounds. The terrorists belong to the group Tanah Runtuh whose leader Hasanuddin confessed at his trial that the well-planned assault was inspired and financed by Guru Sanusi, a former Muslim rebel (Moro Islamic Liberation Front) from Mindanao.

July 31, 2006: Two suitcase bombs are discovered in trains near the German towns of Dortmund and Koblenz, undetonated due to an assembly error. Video footage from Cologne train station, where the bombs were put on the trains, led to the arrest of two Lebanese students in Germany, ******* al-Hajdib and Jihad Hamad, and subsequently of three suspected co-conspirators in Lebanon.[144] On 1 September 2006, Jörg Ziercke, head of the Bundeskriminalamt (Federal Police), reports that the suspects saw the Muhammad cartoons as an "assault by the West on Islam" and the "initial spark" for the attack, originally planned to coincide with the 2006 Football World Cup in Germany.

January-February 2007: United Kingdom letter bombs

June 29-June 30, 2007: Glasgow International Airport attack, 2007 London car bombs, 2007 UK terrorist incidents. Car bomb plot suspected Al-Qaeda. At Glasgow Airport car rams into main terminal causing minor injuries to five and setting off blaze. Explosive device caught fire instead of detonating. In London's West End attempt to set off two car bombs by suspected cell phone triggers fail. One car is towed before device is discovered in underground car park. Police link two incidents. Police find suicide notes on two suspects in London incident. Eight men arrested. One Glasgow suspect critically burned. One of the five men could be an associate of Dhiren Bharot a high level Al-Qaeda operative. Authorities say London bombs could have caused "significant loss of life". The two incidents have been linked, by police, to the same two people.

July 19, 2007: Taliban kidnap 23 South Koreans killing two execution-style and dumping their bloodied bodies by the roadside. The surviving hostages are said to be in bad health. Negotiations are underway as of August 1 involving a hostage for Taliban prisoner swap.




Actually Jihad literally means "to struggle in the cause of God" though it can also be translated as "Holy Struggle". It also refers to an Islamic movement and a sectarian group.

Yeah, I understand Arabic just fine...

Did you not read what you ripped off of some website?

Here it is again:
"1947-48: U.S. backs Palestine partition plan. Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return."

Let's break it down.
1) "US back Palenstine Partition Plan": This plan created Israel, and your implying the US approved it and thus Israel was created. What this line fails to mention is that the US fought this plan for over a decade.
2) "Israel established": It doesn't say "England created Israel, but in the context of the above quote it seems that Israel was created only because the US approved of someone else's plan.
3) "US declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return": This sounds like the US not only approved of the plan after decades of fighting against it, but then approved not allowing Palenstinians into that area. This is not the case. The US didn't really want to agree to this plan, but only did so after protesting this entire idea for many years.

I didn't pull anything out of my ass. You quoted a statement saying "US, US, US, Israel created, US, US, US".

You uneducated arm chair warriors all say "It's the US's fault". Yet not one of you understand the politics of at the close of WWII, what took place in the 1930s in this area, Or how this area was tradiationally Jewish since the 1890s.

Or.... Maybe the entire middle east is still pissed about when Israel lashed out and kicked everyone's asses in the late 1960s......

Actually I DO know the answer to this one (although you probably won't like it). It all started with the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait:

Following the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia. The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 had put the country of Saudi Arabia and its ruling House of Saud at risk as Saudi's most valuable oil fields (Hama) were within easy striking distance of Iraqi forces in Kuwait, and Saddam's call to pan-Arab/Islamism could potentially rally internal dissent. In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahedeen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army.

The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to request and allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy on Saudi territory. The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and on April 9, 1994 his Saudi citizenship was revoked. His family publicly disowned him. There is controversy over whether and to what extent he continued to garner support from members of his family and/or the Saudi government.

Shortly afterwards, partially because of the traditional Sunni-Shi'a rivalries, the movement that came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed...


Want to guess who attacked the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001?

Sorry, I ripped nothing off a website, because I am not the one that posted that .

I quoted one sentence, asking you to show me where it said the US created Israel.

Not only can you not do such a quote, but you are not even able to see who post what.

Pathetic false patriotic blindness.... :2 cents:

Rochards touched my black cock in mexico...


See what yager does to you...



SonofSam has a big fuckin nose.... swinging that shit about... watch that honker dude

What A Retard Lmfao

Oh geee youve changed your tune now. :1orglaugh

What happened to invading the entire middle east including saudi arabia?

wow you are true moron, pull your head in and fuck off already

You.

Supporting the wrong side of this argument makes you look like an idiot george. In case you didn't notice (maybe because your head is up your ass?) sonofshmuck has run rampant all over the board this weekend posting his usual troll BS at everyone he can find to cry at. When he has nothing to come at you with he'll instead post 15 yr old pics of you over and over, same old shit he did last year, and the year before that. He does this on the weekend because during the week he is too busy attending school to get his GED and working his evening shift at the McDrivethru.

Then he comes here and cocks off at a US war vet and a respected member of this business in his spare time whilst having himself admitted that he has no adult biz-related interests whatsoever and has obviously shown that he has no clue about worldly issues other than calling anyone whoo disagrees with his sweeping judgements as "cocksmoker" and "fag" :1orglaugh

And you're sitting there wondering who is crying for attention?

Get a clue.

For some odd reason I thought you were smarter than this george. Let's see what your reply to me brings...

And I showed you.... Your statement said "US, US, US, created Israel, US, US, US" but failed to mention any of the facts or any of the other countries involved. I broke it down in three very simple parts. Not my fault you failed to graduate from high school.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

What happens in Mexico never happened.

Thats true...

or is it?

No, I'm not changing my tune. I don't hate anyone or any race. I don't believe that any race or nationality is any better than anyone else.

But at this point I don't see many options. If the US faces an attack on the scale of 9/11 again... What are we going to do? Invade Iran? I'm sure the plans are already drawn up.

I mean, Iran's President there is already threatening the entire Jewish race with destruction. Doesn't this sound familar? Been here, done that, tried appeasement, and still got sucked in.

The root of the problem seems to be Saudi Arabia. This is were the extremists came from, this their primary recruiting ground, and this is where the bulk of their funding (seems) to come from. What we need is a President who will go th Saudi Arabia and say "If this happens again and people from your country are involved, we are invading in order to prevent future attacks". I understand that governments usually don't operate like this, and I understand that the government of Saudi Abrabia might not have any connection to any of this. But they are the only ones who can prevent this from happening, and they don't seem to be stopping it.

Depends on if there is pictures of the said event or not.

Ill never tell

That's a rather interesting statement. Where did you get that from? I've never heard of this before.

Sonofsam?

How is it even possible that none of you have had a reaction to this horrifying image posted in this thread?

How many times have you vomited? Nightmares?
Shouldn't he be locked up or something for this sort of insanity?
http://web.archive.org/web/200303051.../billypvt2.JPG

http://www.blingstudio.com/fact.jpg

End of discussion. :1orglaugh

There was a 2 hour show today on History Channel about it. It chronicled Bin Laden's life from the beginning. What he posted in that quote is accurate.

I think you missed my point. Your posting of that image over and over again makes you look like the attention seeker. He didn't reply to your initial barrage of images so what do you do? Post it again.

With re to me supporting the wrong side - i've not taken any side as I think both of you look stupid by arguing incessantly with one another and never ever achieving anything.

I hadn't noticed SoS's barrage over the weekend as i'd been busy...

Why not sit back and just let it all slip by the wayside? You're never going to get anything out of trading insults. Also why don't you take the high road and ignore it simply because you're more *mature* than him?

I've never understood why people let threads like this get under their skin.

I usually do let his brand of stalkerish posts slide by. Since he's been back lo these past 3 weeks :D I have literally ignored dozens of his jabs at me.

Why do you get your panties in a twist if I choose to have some light fun with him on the weekend in the style of juicy? All he has to attack me with are 15 year old pictures and fabricated insults, he has never to my knowlege ever had the nuts to post his own picture, which is typical of his ilk.

It took me 7 and 1/2 minutes to shop up that gif last night, the least courtesy you can afford me to do is show it around a little. :winkwink:

And... I've said this at least a hundred times or more here... why do some of you go assuming I am letting anything this useless adolescent would-be troll get "under my skin?"

I'm no more riled than you are.

Done quite a bit of in-depth research on the subject over the years. Cross-reference the Gulf War with King Fahd of Saudi Arabia for more details on it.

My god you are stupid...

Please QUOTE ( quote means to use the quote feature on what I wrote, capiche ? ) my post saying that ....

MY ( posted be me, Directfiesta ) post ( text that is typed ) , not someone else ...
No wonder you are ready to bomb and invade kust about anybody, you can't even see who posted what ...

READ , then post... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Just another drama thread on GFY ...

They commit suicide to become martyrs? How cute :) How old are you? Are you homeschooled?

By the way, the only reason I replied to you is because I mistakenly took you for somebody else. Somebody worth replying to?

Then we agree. They did attack you mainly because of your support for Israel. And you are right, there is no going back now. Either you kill them all or they?ll keep attacking you.

Problem is you don?t know what you are fighting for. You are told lies about WMD?s, about non-existing links to 9/11, about your ?holly mission to bring democracy to Middle East?, and so on. They know what they are fighting for and that is why you cannot win. That is the same reason you couldn?t win in Vietnam.

who are you?