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EdgeXXX 08-08-2007 03:14 PM

100 crooked bastards killing the industry

TheDoc 08-08-2007 03:22 PM

I have been reading up on a few cases that have happened and a few that are pending outcomes, assuming the MPAA doesn't settle again. They have used pressure to shut down some, through hosts and registrars and we know they can pretty much kill p2p networks. They currently are fighting a few torrent companies and a few usenet companies.

If they win this, it will open the doors.

ServerGenius 08-08-2007 03:24 PM

anything I've mentioned and all the options to accomplish them is 100 legal
in every way. If I would be willing to go the illegal way all his sites would
be down in less than an hour.....and they'll stay down long enough if not
till I decide to stop...but those stunts I decided to retire when I was 20 years
old.......good memories though :winkwink:

chupacabra 08-08-2007 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12898411)
anything I've mentioned and all the options to accomplish them is 100 legal
in every way. If I would be willing to go the illegal way all his sites would
be down in less than an hour.....and they'll stay down long enough if not
till I decide to stop...but those stunts I decided to retire when I was 20 years
old.......good memories though :winkwink:

heh... in that case maybe we should all be pooling into a donation box to hire "someone" to knock them off the web for a nice long stretch... would be a thing of beauty to see all those links go dead simultaneously and stay down..

ServerGenius 08-08-2007 03:38 PM

hahaha look I already woke someone...before posting anything did a portscan without trying to hide from where it came......flushed the firewall rules on that servers and watch the logs so see if they'd bite......within minutes I see this:

genius01:/var/log# traceroute 221.15.37.58
traceroute to 221.15.37.58 (221.15.37.58), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 HOSTED-BY.VIRTUALXS.COM (62.129.143.190) 0.807 ms 13.705 ms 0.701 ms
2 62.153.203.117 (62.153.203.117) 1.871 ms 1.736 ms 1.762 ms
3 217.239.40.22 (217.239.40.22) 155.343 ms 155.359 ms 155.273 ms
4 212.184.26.234 (212.184.26.234) 318.694 ms 318.593 ms 318.697 ms
5 219.158.25.13 (219.158.25.13) 316.795 ms 316.597 ms 316.730 ms
6 219.158.4.158 (219.158.4.158) 348.083 ms 347.503 ms 347.871 ms
7 219.158.7.21 (219.158.7.21) 363.878 ms 363.444 ms 363.467 ms
8 219.158.7.22 (219.158.7.22) 375.410 ms 375.328 ms 375.399 ms
9 hn.kd.smx.adsl (221.13.223.178) 373.084 ms 373.100 ms 373.220 ms
10 pc66.zz.ha.cn (61.168.254.66) 376.844 ms 376.845 ms 376.782 ms
11 pc50.zz.ha.cn (61.168.235.50) 383.034 ms 385.398 ms 385.251 ms
12 pc66.zz.ha.cn (218.29.249.66) 380.940 ms 381.055 ms 381.015 ms
13 hn.kd.jz.adsl (221.15.37.58) 382.588 ms 382.680 ms 382.942 ms

which confirms my idea that the people who are behind these sites are either
Americans or Canadians. The origin of this ip is in the same region from a few
different hosting companies he's using for some of his sites........

Could be coincedence in theory...but a lot more likely than what I think it is.
didn't expect they would let them get tricked this easy and stupid by something as silly as this :1orglaugh

I'll bet you after I've checked some more logs and servers that will reveal
his intentions by his first but very stupid mistake....god I love it when they
are that silly to get themselves so easily caught...... :-)

JMM 08-08-2007 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12898337)
Mutt I hear what you're saying.....and I respect you for your position and
opinion about not pretending it's not there.........that and the fact that
from all people that show off their girls.....you're the undisputed king of
finding the most amazing, pretty, sexy and imho opinion the natural non
posed and directed pics from any other talent scout. If I see pic in a
thread started by you.....I'm inside in less than a split second.
but that aside from the subject.

I think that BEFORE exploring any legal options collecting as much info
as possible is crucial for pursuing any legal steps.....coz without it
you'll get billed by your lawyer who will do this and most likely we're
much better at it than him given our experience and our full time
attention to our business and everything that goes on in it. A super
lawyer his skills are law....not collecting information from whatever
he's not full time involved in himself. He could tell us what kind of
information is useful for this case.

Doing this job ourselves is a lot cheaper in fact all it takes is a little bit of
our time. And providing him with that information will increase the change
of success 100 fold when actually going to trial.

Apart from that.....I think that's not impossible to even shut them down
or at least really hurting his "business" by jumping on them and
tracing everything they do faster and more effectively than defending
his sites in court.

Having to move providers a few times in 1 or 2 months is much more
frustrating and damaging then to show up in court.

It's very easy and not much work to really drive him nuts with things like
this and doesn't require a judge or legal valid argument to get providers
can his ass to even only avoid the hassle it causes them when keeping him.

Having to move his site will inevitably hurt his traffic volume really bad which
will also hurt his advertising and revenue they make coz their only source
of income is generated from nothing else than traffic.

Seriously consulting a lawyer before collecting data and info imho is a complete waste of your money, time......and good intentions. The only
reason for inmediately go to a lawyer would be so he can we ourselves
don't have to bother and do anything for this our selves......and I don't
mean to imply that's why I think you'll wait and go with having a lawyer
figure all of it out himself

:thumbsup

P.S. I'm sure with one of your pics this thread will draw a lot more attention :winkwink:

Keep doing what you are doing, it is valuable and definitely going to be needed.

The reason to consult with a lawyer was to determine WHAT information and data should be collected. Interestingly, the lawyers I spoke with maintain very strongly that contrary to what the sites themselves might think, they are not subject to DMCA protection. Based on that legal argument, there are several provisions of the DMCA that ALL must be met for protection and most of these sites miss on many of them. So, it is important to know what aspects of the DMCA must be met to be afforded protection and to collect the data to prove that they are not compliant, and therefore not protected.

ServerGenius 08-08-2007 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chupacabra (Post 12898467)
heh... in that case maybe we should all be pooling into a donation box to hire "someone" to knock them off the web for a nice long stretch... would be a thing of beauty to see all those links go dead simultaneously and stay down..

As much fun as doing that is.....it isn't a solution.....coz as soon as you stop
they can continue business as usual.....apart from the risk of everything
involved when getting caught for doing it. To stay ahead of getting caught
you can't run such attack longer than a few seconds from the same box.
To do this effectively requires as many boxes you can get access to and
hook em up in a botnet to distribute the attack...that's also what really
makes it tricky to block the attack because it comes from a big number
of different origin. using 1 or a few boxes blocking the ip of them solves
the whole problem in less than 2 seconds ;-)

When it's distributed the only other important thing is to cause sling more
data/traffic their way then they can handle......which is quite easy with
a decent number of drones in your botnet.

Most boxes that get hacked are being hacked to used for stuff like this.
Usually they make a script that just scans whole networks for live servers
and vulnerabilities they are able to exploit....so each one the script finds
gets compromised automagically by the script and installed with some
stuff to be used by the person without even having to touch or access
the server himself.......

There's tons and tons of hacked servers who run outdated os and software
most of them their owners never even know or notice that it's been hacked.
coz they don't touch or break anything which could make someone wonder
if perhaps something is wrong.......it's so easy and there's so many servers
that are vulnerable to being exploited you simply cannot believe it. I still
can't believe it though I'm seeing it almost every day first hand......if the
frequency I encounter is is even half of it on a big scale it's something
like 8 out of every 100 servers that are online.......don't pin me on the
numbers I don't have solid data to back them up :eek7

ServerGenius 08-08-2007 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMM (Post 12898520)
Keep doing what you are doing, it is valuable and definitely going to be needed.

The reason to consult with a lawyer was to determine WHAT information and data should be collected. Interestingly, the lawyers I spoke with maintain very strongly that contrary to what the sites themselves might think, they are not subject to DMCA protection. Based on that legal argument, there are several provisions of the DMCA that ALL must be met for protection and most of these sites miss on many of them. So, it is important to know what aspects of the DMCA must be met to be afforded protection and to collect the data to prove that they are not compliant, and therefore not protected.

Awesome and of course their not really protected unlike what they claim.
They just put up that bullshit coz it works perfectly because that's the
main reason why people don't even consider to attempt to go after them
coz it appears they can't be charged......it works even better than all the
tricks we came up with combined to trick the surfer to join our sites :1orglaugh

If they're really hong kong based none of the US laws they use won't even
apply to them at all........unless their US residents.....which I'm willing to bet
they are....US or Canada....who wants a bet :winkwink:

ServerGenius 08-08-2007 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMM (Post 12898520)
Keep doing what you are doing, it is valuable and definitely going to be needed.

The reason to consult with a lawyer was to determine WHAT information and data should be collected. Interestingly, the lawyers I spoke with maintain very strongly that contrary to what the sites themselves might think, they are not subject to DMCA protection. Based on that legal argument, there are several provisions of the DMCA that ALL must be met for protection and most of these sites miss on many of them. So, it is important to know what aspects of the DMCA must be met to be afforded protection and to collect the data to prove that they are not compliant, and therefore not protected.

Oh and just so you know I'll be more than happy to hand over any info you
or your lawyer can use.......so be sure to let me know what the man needs
and I'll see what I can come up with. :2 cents:

ServerGenius 08-08-2007 05:57 PM

ok I'm gonna try to get 3 or 4 hours sleep.......I'll be back :eek7

Sen 08-09-2007 12:16 AM

hmmm where are the big people in adult now ?

[ScreaM] 08-09-2007 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sen (Post 12900415)
hmmm where are the big people in adult now ?

Sleeping probably.

Sen 08-09-2007 02:02 AM

let them wake up then :P

Sen 08-09-2007 05:57 AM

Kick for a good thing

paymeback 08-09-2007 06:35 AM

heres a bump

ServerGenius 08-09-2007 08:52 AM

hello again.....I'm blown away by the interest in this subject :Oh crap

ServerGenius 08-09-2007 03:20 PM

Burp :Oh crap

marcjacob 08-09-2007 03:29 PM

Have a donation thing for us none usa webmasters, i personally would donate to this cause. Oh also bump (although your only half way down the page lol)

tony286 08-09-2007 03:31 PM

JMM is ok if I icq you?

Matt 26z 08-09-2007 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMM (Post 12887820)
Let's go after their advertisers.

Going after the advertisers on torrent sites?

It's like falling at a sports stadium in disrepair and then suing Budweiser because they have a banner in the rafters. As if they were responsable for the place still being open.

Not gonna happen.

VicD 08-09-2007 03:42 PM

a bumpity bump

JMM 08-09-2007 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 12904254)
Going after the advertisers on torrent sites?

It's like falling at a sports stadium in disrepair and then suing Budweiser because they have a banner in the rafters. As if they were responsable for the place still being open.

Not gonna happen.

Wrong. Copyright law addresses this. It is VERY doable.

JMM 08-09-2007 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12904193)
JMM is ok if I icq you?

Of course.

Mutt 08-09-2007 04:45 PM

oh there are people who know exactly who owns Megarotic and where they live. That would be Legendary Lars and Andrew Cornhole from Adult Friend Finder, the single biggest beneficiary of the enormous amount of traffic Megarotic is pulling. AFF makes these sites profitable.

Of course Legendary Lars will tell you that AFF is in a most horrible position - if AFF doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars off Megarotic one of AFF's evil competitors will and nobody would want that now would we!!!

ServerGenius 08-10-2007 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 12904626)
oh there are people who know exactly who owns Megarotic and where they live. That would be Legendary Lars and Andrew Cornhole from Adult Friend Finder, the single biggest beneficiary of the enormous amount of traffic Megarotic is pulling. AFF makes these sites profitable.

Of course Legendary Lars will tell you that AFF is in a most horrible position - if AFF doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars off Megarotic one of AFF's evil competitors will and nobody would want that now would we!!!

of course also the hosting companies they use.

hubris 08-11-2007 03:26 PM

Our copyright/DMCA guys just notified us of skinvideo.com .

He is getting lawsuit threats from them about sending DMCA takedown requests. I am not too up on this subject but tried to spread the word about it on nnmasters.com. Thanks mutt for the link to this thread.

I will forward the contact info to our copyright/DMCA guy and see if he can help with the information he has gathered.

notoldschool 08-11-2007 05:51 PM

Im sure more serious biz people would get involved if a trust worthy group effort was formed. I hope this comes together.

cashbot 08-11-2007 06:04 PM

Airek and Libertine - rimming again!

EdgeXXX 08-13-2007 04:47 PM

Seems like a pretty appropriate time to give this thread a little bump...

Mutt 08-13-2007 06:44 PM

*bump* *bump*

NyLoS 08-14-2007 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by High Plains Drifter (Post 12887842)
AFF and Fling? You might want to pick up more than one lawyer.

these are revshare based accounts, aff and fling can't be held responsible, alnog with other advertisers, thats hard to do..... but hosting companies are partly responsible for what they alow on their servers, but also hard to point at.

But the owner of the site, lets fucking hang his head !

I am with you guys

NyLoS 08-14-2007 05:52 AM

We could wake up the advertisers, like they don't allow their affiliates to use email spam to promote their sites they might not want their product being advertised on sites like this if its in a bad spotlight like email spam

(ofcourse they want their affiliates to email spam, and ofcourse they want assholes like thios advertise their sites, its all about money, but if they get bad publicity because of it they might change their minds ;-))

ServerGenius 08-14-2007 06:47 AM

how about we first go after the billing company that allows megarotic to bill
for their memberships? I'm sure that's not VISA compliant what they do.

:2 cents:

JMM 08-14-2007 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12925868)
how about we first go after the billing company that allows megarotic to bill
for their memberships? I'm sure that's not VISA compliant what they do.

:2 cents:

The way to go after the billing company is for everyone who has content on megarotic to send DMCA notices to the biller. One of the main components of DMCA protection is how repeat infringements are handled. For a company to even have DMCA protection, they MUST have a policy dealing with repeat infringement. This would be the easiest way to shut these sites down, the ones who have a pay component.

Sadly, most people don't send DMCA notices because they don't know how.

One of the things that the lawyer is working on is an automated DMCA system for people to use. The "sticky" part that they are investigating is how an automated DMCA system would be viewed as "practicing law".

If it is run by an individual or company then it could be viewed as practicing law without a license. The simple solution is to get a law firm to run it. However, that would take out the most convenient aspect, automated. If a law firm is going to offer it, then there has to be some system of manual review, which of course increases costs.

I'll update you once we have this part figured out.

ServerGenius 08-14-2007 07:17 AM

Commercegate and Segpay are processing for megarotic.com I'll file a complaint
to VISA directly regarding this. I'll buy a membership and add proof to the
complaint. Complaint will get forwarded to segpay and commercegate as well.

Let's see what that does :winkwink:

ServerGenius 08-14-2007 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMM (Post 12925999)
The way to go after the billing company is for everyone who has content on megarotic to send DMCA notices to the biller. One of the main components of DMCA protection is how repeat infringements are handled. For a company to even have DMCA protection, they MUST have a policy dealing with repeat infringement. This would be the easiest way to shut these sites down, the ones who have a pay component.

Sadly, most people don't send DMCA notices because they don't know how.

One of the things that the lawyer is working on is an automated DMCA system for people to use. The "sticky" part that they are investigating is how an automated DMCA system would be viewed as "practicing law".

If it is run by an individual or company then it could be viewed as practicing law without a license. The simple solution is to get a law firm to run it. However, that would take out the most convenient aspect, automated. If a law firm is going to offer it, then there has to be some system of manual review, which of course increases costs.

I'll update you once we have this part figured out.

Cool I'll wait for this to be ready and get the companies mobilized who should
send out DMCA notices. Should be easy to at least get a few to do that
which might be enough to fuck them out of billing options

ServerGenius 08-14-2007 07:21 AM

if not I'll upload some of my stuff so I can join in with the DMCA party :1orglaugh

EdgeXXX 08-14-2007 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12926016)
if not I'll upload some of my stuff so I can join in with the DMCA party :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh




In all seriousness though, given their site's business model, that is 100% fair game. If they want to fuck us by playing dirty, we can fuck them right back by doing the same. :thumbsup

ServerGenius 08-14-2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX (Post 12926434)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh




In all seriousness though, given their site's business model, that is 100% fair game. If they want to fuck us by playing dirty, we can fuck them right back by doing the same. :thumbsup

Yup exactly how I see it myself :thumbsup

Mutt 08-16-2007 04:27 PM

*bump*

automated DMCA notices is a good idea - suing somebody's ass is a better one. most of these sites, the big ones, are smart enough to have their DMCA policy in order. they don't mind taking shit down, it's already made them some money and by the next day a minion/user will have uploaded it again.

Mutt 08-31-2007 01:53 PM

any update on this?


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