50.........

It is important to note that many companies buy traffic from click thru systems that appear on torrent sites as well, thinking they are somehow clean because they have 1 degree of seperation.

well...I feel like kickin some thief asses!

legal chill is real - if we won a lawsuit it would be open season on them all, the money would be there to shut them all down - the suing business is better than this business. there is more potential money in damages from some of these sites than running a porn affiliate program.

to do boycotts of AFF and the like - you see how far Will's crusade against Lars has gone. As PleasurePays says 95% of this industry is scum who don't give a shit about screwing anybody, friend or foe, and long term effects of anything mean nothing to them - never have, never will. what you'll get is 25 GFYers with 20 clicks a day supporting the boycott meanwhile the whales will continue to send them thousands of clicks per day and they'll all have a giggle about the boycott in the Bro treefort.

Here's some more

Datinggold
yieldmanager.com
clickhype.com

I really dont get it, how someone who is content publisher (NastyDollars, BangBros) can in the same time allow their dating program to benefit from stealing content publishers (Fling)

aebn own porntube, so start by not sending aebn traffic.

Besides megarotic.com, who are the other top 3-5 biggest offenders?

Guba,...

I just want a nice list of sites to avoid and to keep a close eye on

I would think that some of the larger TGP/MGP's would want to get involved. I imagine that their business model has suffered lately. Who wants to sit and look at 15 second low res clips all day when you can go and get the full, hi res video at one of these other places.

Me not like when content is stolen. Especially when I made the content. My own blood sweat and tears.

I have a theory on that,I bet places where content publishers have banners there is none of their content.

Exactly :thumbsup

i think bangbros/nastydollars/fling are really smart because whilst everyone is stealing there content, there getting watermark sales and everyones promoting fling on the pirated sites. They have all bases covered. I think they thought this shit through and found a way to capitalise on all the tube / bt site.

Thats just my :2 cents:

also, google is going to be releasing a video fingerprinting thing for youtube which is supposed to identify and delete pirated content as its uploaded. I could see something like this coming to adult which could potentially be a solution.

Or something where non amateur content must be limited to a maximum time length to stop full clips being added. Im sure there are solutions. I really thing this is a problem that can be solved. Trying to take someone down hiding behind dmca might be alot of wasted money, but who knows.

Even with all this 'proof' you guys couldn't squeeze together enough money to take that list on.

The whole "watermarked sales" thing is just fucking bullshit end to end. Giving away all your shit and hoping the one person too stupid to find it all will come and pay your bills is just fucked up. 5 or 10 years ago, well, maybe - and that was a limited amount of content. Now the entire episodes are out there to be downloaded. You think after a guy has beat off 10 times to all your stuff that he is then going to show up and pay for it? Trading dollars for pennies. What a smart business move.

It is a fucked up business model, no longer functional, and the only people getting rich off it are Lars and his ilk.

If this is done right and on the up and up, and a donation fund set up I would donate some money for this cause.

I'm sure 100's of other webmasters would as well. Even those from EU, Asia, etc shouldn't have a problem tossing in a few bucks or a few hundred each.

Anyone wanting to do the math can figure it out, that it could add up to a sizeable war chest.

This will be done right. One of the issues that we will be discussing tomorrow during the conference call with the law firm that has agreed to handle this is the formation of a legal association. The association is necessary so that legal action can be taken by the association on behalf of it's members. Very much like how the FSC lawsuit was filed on behalf of all FSC members.

Again, we are just now starting to look into the details, but I believe that anyone who makes a contribution will become a member of the association to the extent of their contribution. So, if you were to say contribute 5% of all money collected by the association, you would be entitled to 5% of any recovery received by the association.

That being said, everyone will need to understand that while we intend to pursue damages and penalties, that is a secondary goal. The primary goal will be to take down the first few, sending a message to the rest. If the rest don't get the message, then we will have to repeat the message directly to them, just a tad bit louder.

Is there some kind of reason you didnt reply to my IM's ? :(

I can't speak for anyone else but I'd be happy if any damages won would be put back into the fund to take down the next one, and so on.

Good luck with this project, I'll keep watching your efforts and will definitely contribute to it when the time comes. All of us stand to benefit in the long-term from this, should it prove to be successful in taking down even a few offending sites.

Don't get me wrong, this would be a great thing for the industry.

But you guys seem to underestimate this.. It's about $200k just to step into court with that many people, then about that again if we are lucky in lawyer fees. That assumes this won't go on for years and years. We also have to prove how they hurt our bottom line, what content they are advertising next too, and the estimations of loss. Oh yeah, and prove they earn an income, didn't close the account down, ect.. Lets not forget about the few years of focus that will be required for this, for every person that accuses them.

This wouldn't be a court case, these companies would eat us alive and no lawyer with a single cell brain would take this on as a project. If you could even get together 500k-1m from this industry, just look at acacia and who had to fight, the rest just sat back and watch as it STILL goes on.


Don't get me wrong, this would be a great fight... A great victory for our industry. It would be much easier to Mafia these assholes, save a lot of time and money.

in the mainstream industry a giant like viacom is trying to hurt youtube... in the adult industry a giant like viacom (aebn) owns one of these sites. Draw your own conclusions.

You are wrong.

First, the association would be filing suit, not each individual person.

Secondly, depending on how things are structured, many damages are statutory, written into the law. You don't have to prove that you lost a nickel or that they made a nickel.

Third, again based on structure, there are such things as temporary injunctions, TRO's, etc.

Fourth, there is the almighty DMCA notice.

Fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, etc, etc, etc, there is so much that you are not taking into consideration.

I am one of the people who did not settle with Acacia and chose to fight. I am proud to be an Acacia defendant but I will be even prouder to be a plaintiff in these matters.

Yes, because I am not sure whether I should be calling you Dr. Testosterone, squizzel, or defendant. I will know tomorrow after my conference call with our legal team.

Jmm,

Good thread - interesting ideas.

Look forward to reading more.

Thanks

Sure, I'm wrong.. Why not... Not that I haven't done this before or anything.

Talk to your lawyers, give them all the goodies and lets see what they say.

And thanks for Acacia, we needed people to stand out and defend us against others attacking the entire industry. Doesn't that give you some understand at how little the industry will help? Are you really willing to take on a possible multi-million dollar case?

To me looking at the FSC and FTC case is a huge sign, still to this day not one major company has stood up to take control of the fight. This entire case is lost, the FSC argument is a joke, just like 'our lobbyist' and what they want us to write in on.

I'm all up for fighting, I will even help you out. I have first hand experience with this and many other legal fights. If I had a solid - one on one - case with this, I would have taken it to court years ago. This isn't an easy money case and only a blind man would think it is.

Nobody said it was going to be easy money. And yes, cases like these cost money. The firm we are going to be using is already litigating cases very much like this. A lot of the research and leg work has already been done and we can benefit from that. There are also things that can be done, and systems put into place that can make an immediate dent that cost almost nothing.

Appreciate your willingness to help, I am sure I will be holding you to that.

Can't you just DDoS them? :winkwink: I mean the FBI used all kind of unethical and illegal ways to take down Cosa Nostra except murder maybe :)

Seek professional website screwing help from Turkish Islamist hackers to take down porn tubes, show them some Muslim homo videos :1orglaugh

By all means, please do..

I think people have tried to take on sites like Guba before, and lost. They have rules to follow like keeping headers, logging everything, removing illegal content, following DCMA notices, and so on. It's not illegal to charge for access to the news groups.

The others, I guess if they don't show due diligence then you have them owned.. Otherwise it will be a major uphill fight, in my opinion.

well put it this way.

i have none of your content on your site, i have no content hosted on my site and i remove any reported content. I do what i can to remove copyrighted content unlike alot of these sites.

We have a verbal agreement on AIM that you will not take this any further if i promote your sites. I have done everything you have asked and if you pursue this any further i will have a complete lack of respect for you and your business practices.

Bump for those that missed this

Just to set the record straight:

1. It was 21 images, not 5 as you keep saying, plus the thumbnails, which makes it 42 images.

2. The images and thumbnails WERE hosted on your server.

3. You were aware of the images because you commented in the thread that they were nice.

4. Each of the images had a copyright notice plainly visible.

5. I already told you, I am not going to sue you for that.

6. You told me that you were going to go through your site and remove any content that was questionable. I told you that once you had your site all cleaned up, that I would allow you to promote my sites, but only after all illegal content was removed from your site.

Bottom line, the "defendant" thing was a joke, I already told you I was not going to sue you for the 42 images.

We have had this discussion before. And im glad you contact me on AIM. I am cleaning up the forum alot at the moment. Just because i said they were nice didnt mean i knew they were copyrighted.. which i didnt. But lets not get into that. Good luck.. Im sure we will work together in the near future.

done. :thumbsup

Hmmm, this would be called a sidebar in court ;)

JMM, please let me know the outcome of the contacts you had in legal level. We've been considering something similar [email protected]

The company may be Hong Kong based their site and server hosting isn't


Hostname megarotic.com
Country Code US
Country Name United States
Region VA
Region Name Virginia
City Alexandria
Postal Code 22314
Latitude 38.8156
Longitude -77.0453
ISP Carpathia Hosting
Organization Carpathia Hosting
Metro Code 511
Area Code 703

This info which really is correct makes it pretty easy to get them shutdown
and legally go after them. I'm sure the hongkong info is fake..I'll dig a bit
deeper when I have a few minutes to spare.....


< rant >

1 more thing.....I thought any of you who really want to take some action
or support it....The idea was to keep this thread alive.....which none of you
who screamed loudest seemed to be really interested enough to do....

I'm willing to contribute both technical and financial......but not when that
means that I'm the only one who's pulling the car and the rest of you restrict
yourself to whining and crying.......I'll gladly stop or reduce possible damage
for others than just myself........but believe it or not if no one else is willing
to really assist in any way they can no matter if it's big or small. If not no
problem believe it or not.....I am perfectly capable to prevent just my own
stuff from suffering from these sites just by myself.....

either way makes no difference to me........but I think that working together
would be a lot better for the whole of our current far from healthy industry.

So put your money where you mouth is, step up to the plate or spare the
ones that really care enough to take action with your crying about how
unfair it is that people try to take the 100 bucks you make with peddling
porn on the intraweb.

This rant is directed to all of you and no one in particular....no offense meant
to anyone....just my observation about adult webmasters crying about
anything that they don't like and crying being the only thing they do......

Some of you need their ass kicked to get your off your asses and for once
actually do something.......

< / rant >

Flame away kiddos :winkwink:

Oh and for you who runs megarotic....start praying nobody will step up which means I restrict my effort to just protecting what's mine by other ways than
jumping on your back.......if others decide to jump in......be sure that I know
many different ways without going to court to seriously be a pain in your ass.

Though providers may hide behind a bunch of laws that prevents them from
being held liable for the stuff they host........none of them is very keen on
ignoring things when they get reported and investigated by organisations like
ARIN/RIPE and a few others..........If you think I'm bluffing be ready to get
suprised....I've skinned cats like this more than once in the past.....

You can find an example by hitting search for RIP-Productions.....enjoy :thumbsup

megarotic.com

Name: megarotic.com
Address: 209.222.129.196
Name: megarotic.com
Address: 209.222.129.197
Name: megarotic.com
Address: 209.222.129.198
Name: megarotic.com
Address: 209.222.129.199

OrgName: Carpathia Hosting
OrgID: CARPA-3
Address: PO Box 2145
City: Ashburn
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20146
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.carpathiahost.com:4321

NetRange: 209.222.128.0 - 209.222.159.255
CIDR: 209.222.128.0/19
NetName: CIRN-NETBLOCK05
NetHandle: NET-209-222-128-0-1
Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: DNS1.CARPATHIAHOST.COM
NameServer: DNS2.CARPATHIAHOST.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-06-16
Updated: 2006-06-16

OrgAbuseHandle: CHAP-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Carpathia Hosting, Abuse POC
OrgAbusePhone: +1-703-740-1730
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]

OrgTechHandle: CHIA-ARIN
OrgTechName: Carpathia Hosting, IP Administration
OrgTechPhone: +1-703-740-1730
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]

megarotic is related to megapix.com
traceroute info shows megapix is hosted by alphared.com
genius01:~# traceroute megapix.com
traceroute to megapix.com (64.72.115.56), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 HOSTED-BY.VIRTUALXS.COM (62.129.143.190) 6.301 ms 0.729 ms 0.696 ms
2 g1-2-253.core01.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.240.29) 1.693 ms 1.692 ms 1.585 ms
3 t4-1.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.1.118) 128.468 ms 128.302 ms 128.281 ms
4 t3-2.mpd01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.0.185) 129.653 ms 129.625 ms 129.571 ms
5 t2-4.mpd01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.22) 131.821 ms 131.610 ms 131.666 ms
6 t9-4.mpd01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.185) 114.211 ms 114.300 ms 114.217 ms
7 t4-2.mpd01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.221) 129.622 ms 129.551 ms 129.636 ms
8 10ge-cogent1a.alphared.com (38.99.206.182) 131.070 ms 335.152 ms 176.415 ms
9 hosted.by.alphared.com (64.72.115.56) 129.683 ms 130.783 ms 132.724 ms

If we collectively collect a few bucks to be used as a budget to fight this beast
we could get a LOT more and detailed info..for example for a few dollars we can
get the total whois record history for any domain..which show all modifications
made to all whois records for the domain...

check it out yourself this is the query for the ip of megapix.com

http://dns-tools.domaintools.com/?m=...q=64.72.115.56

these guys own a lot of stuff, taking this down would really make a difference.
They're also running sexuploader.com, megaupload.com (file sharing hosting)

I'll dig some more later.....gotta get some work done too :winkwink:

Update...

I had about a 90 minute conference call with the lawyers a couple of hours ago. We discussed quite a few things, probably the most important being that their position, and a very strong position too I might add, is that the tube sites and the torrent sites don't even have DMCA protection, as they claim to have.

There are a couple cases currently pending against tube type sites, that if victorious, will set precedent in our favor.

The lawyers are putting together a couple of strategies that we will all be able to take advantage of relatively low cost.

I will have specific details in about a week and will be sharing them when I do.

FYI:

This is my OWN experience. I am not suggesting or demanding that anyone else do this, I am simply letting everyone know something that I just did yesterday.

I received an email recently from AEBN, apparently I had signed up at some point. This email contained links to custom theaters that AEBN had produced for me (I never asked them to, they just did it) which matched my sites beautifully. They were very well done.

The account executive wanted to introduce herself and wanted me to put these custom theaters on my sites.

For those of you who do not know, AEBN owns pornotube

I responded to the account executive that I am sorry they wasted their time, I do not do business with those, who in my opinion, are content thieves.

Again, I am not suggesting that anyone do this, it is however what I did.

I realy don't know why all the adult dvd producers and adult website owners don't start something like the riaa or even try to work whit them.

I am just a simple webmaster so I can not take a part of this but if it was my complete income then I would make a stand. Just hire some of the sigwhores and let them find illegal content and send email's to their webhost to ask if they can remove it. But do something.

I'll occasionally bump this thread for 1 week. Then we'll see who really cares
enough to lift a finger..and then will decide if doing this collectively doesn't
feel like wasting my time...and time is all it takes at this stage....

because each of them have different interest and working together with
people in the same industry scares the shit out of them........unless it's
something that isn't directly related to their business.

Scared that others may discover and steal their secrets and benefit from it
to their expense......everyone will now jump in to deny it...but the facts
speak for themselves...on several different subjects it's next to impossible
finding any other reasons why they can't get anything else than benefits when joining forces. :2 cents:

i'm waiting to see where it goes with JMM and the attorney he is consulting. When/if it's a go I will be happy to contribute my share asap and will encourage friends to do the same.

i've made threads about this before - i don't want to become a board loon about it - so that's why it takes somebody with initiative to move forward with this in a professional and intelligent manner - JMM offered.

From many of todays players when they started this was the safest and
at the time a successful strategy for getting ahead and stay ahead. Back
in the golden years.....money was up for grabs with almost anything....hell
many made money with nothing.....so during the grab as much and fast as
you possibly can the only thing you had to be careful for was guard it with
any means possible from getting robbed, copied by the guy next to you.

The business somewhat evolved (though often I wonder how much) but the
mentality hasn't. It's the same reason why 95&#37; of the people that attend
shows fool each other with the all their fantastic stories about how successful they are.......everybody knows it and everybody plays along.....as that makes
their life much more easier than go against it. Which is most certainly true
so it's a good argument to just keep playing along :2 cents:

Not trying to be a smartass.....when needed I do exactly the same......
Ya catch more flies with honey than with vinegar :1orglaugh

The Bro club is probably the best example for this theory :-)

Mutt I hear what you're saying.....and I respect you for your position and
opinion about not pretending it's not there.........that and the fact that
from all people that show off their girls.....you're the undisputed king of
finding the most amazing, pretty, sexy and imho opinion the natural non
posed and directed pics from any other talent scout. If I see pic in a
thread started by you.....I'm inside in less than a split second.
but that aside from the subject.

I think that BEFORE exploring any legal options collecting as much info
as possible is crucial for pursuing any legal steps.....coz without it
you'll get billed by your lawyer who will do this and most likely we're
much better at it than him given our experience and our full time
attention to our business and everything that goes on in it. A super
lawyer his skills are law....not collecting information from whatever
he's not full time involved in himself. He could tell us what kind of
information is useful for this case.

Doing this job ourselves is a lot cheaper in fact all it takes is a little bit of
our time. And providing him with that information will increase the change
of success 100 fold when actually going to trial.

Apart from that.....I think that's not impossible to even shut them down
or at least really hurting his "business" by jumping on them and
tracing everything they do faster and more effectively than defending
his sites in court.

Having to move providers a few times in 1 or 2 months is much more
frustrating and damaging then to show up in court.

It's very easy and not much work to really drive him nuts with things like
this and doesn't require a judge or legal valid argument to get providers
can his ass to even only avoid the hassle it causes them when keeping him.

Having to move his site will inevitably hurt his traffic volume really bad which
will also hurt his advertising and revenue they make coz their only source
of income is generated from nothing else than traffic.

Seriously consulting a lawyer before collecting data and info imho is a complete waste of your money, time......and good intentions. The only
reason for inmediately go to a lawyer would be so he can we ourselves
don't have to bother and do anything for this our selves......and I don't
mean to imply that's why I think you'll wait and go with having a lawyer
figure all of it out himself

:thumbsup

P.S. I'm sure with one of your pics this thread will draw a lot more attention :winkwink: