Google banning sites from its search index because of unproven CP claims ? - GoFuckYourself.com

polish_aristocrat · 07-24-2007, 12:06 AM

In the following 10 days the popular "Club Seventeen" website from Payserve was not showing in Googles search results index.

If you searched for the term "Club Seventeen" , the ClubSeventeen.com site wasn't at the top - in fact it wasn't anywhere, because Google put a notice at the botton at their site, saying that because of a "CP complaint they received" they have decided to hide the url from their search results. A proper link to ChillingEffects.org was included.

Now, after approximately 10 days the Club Seventeen website shows up again in Google if you search for it... Well, WE all know they are legit, and even though they have "Seventeen" in their name, in fact all models there are 18+ and they are one of the most reliable teen sites on the web.

But why did Google temporary hide them? I mean, some idiot may send a CP compaint to Google but that shouldn't mean they should blindly listen to it and hide a certain url, until the situation is cleared. If that's indeed the case, then submitting such claims to Google could become a way to eliminate your competition, heh. Anyone here has more info on such situations?

BTW if you're curious how this legal notice looked like, do a search in Google for

really eighteen

and see the notice at the bottom. The domain reallyeighteen.com belongs to Slick, who has had major drama on GFY few months ago because Directnic shut down his domain. Anyway, I'm glad Club Seventeen is re-listed already, but I wonder why exactly it was "hidden" for the previous 10 days, when we all know the CP accusations were wrong and Payserve has all the proper 2257 statements on their site.

SmokeyTheBear · 07-24-2007, 12:41 AM

well to be fair , google can display who it wants when it wants.

as far as im aware google does not have to investigate dmca/cp complaints but they do have to abide by them..

but obviously in reality we all know if someone made the same complaint about "myspace.com" even though the complaint would prob have more validity , it would not get pulled.

just like directnic pulling slicks site. we all know damn well if there was a cp pic on a myspace site , their registrar wuld NOT pull the domain. they would likely get sent a notice and even if the pic stayed up for months , no follow thru would take place

aico · 07-24-2007, 12:45 AM

I think it's ok to temporary stop linking to a porn site called club17 while you verify if it is indeed cp or not. I see nothing wrong with what they did. You can't expect them to know about every site, the name seems suspicious, it was brought to their attention, they stopped linking to verify, found it to be ok, and reinstated the links... seems reasonable and very responsible to me.

SmokeyTheBear · 07-24-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by aico

I think it's ok to temporary stop linking to a porn site called club17 while you verify if it is indeed cp or not. I see nothing wrong with what they did. You can't expect them to know about every site, the name seems suspicious, it was brought to their attention, they stopped linking to verify, found it to be ok, and reinstated the links... seems reasonable and very responsible to me.

would they do the same thing to "myspace" ?

now granted myspace isnt named seventeenspace so the name implies underage content, but by the same token nude pics on myspace have no on page identification wheras seveteen does..

aico · 07-24-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

would they do the same thing to "myspace" ?

now granted myspace isnt named seventeenspace so the name implies underage content, but by the same token nude pics on myspace have no on page identification wheras seveteen does..

It's called club17 or whatever, I think looking into seems more appropriate then if it were called Myspace.

I am only saying this particular instance seems reasonable to me.

V_RocKs · 07-24-2007, 01:18 AM

Shit happens

SmokeyTheBear · 07-24-2007, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aico

It's called club17 or whatever, I think looking into seems more appropriate then if it were called Myspace.

I am only saying this particular instance seems reasonable to me.

i would think underage pics with no id on myspace is more concerning than obvious legal models with details right on the page but perhaps thats just me..

how many club17 models have been raped or molested while on the website. ? my guess would be zero. you hear about kids being exploited left and right on myspace.

i would think investigating ACTUAL underage content like what can be found on myspace is more important than legal models with id's and 2257 docs. again just my opinion though

bobby666 · 07-24-2007, 04:06 AM

jesus also had onl 12 apostles and no CP problems ..........

bobby666 · 07-24-2007, 04:07 AM

...but he also would have had no chance against google

polish_aristocrat · 07-24-2007, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

In the following 10 days the popular "Club Seventeen" website from Payserve was not showing in Googles search results index.

you try to word your post perfectly but fuck up already the 3rd word

I obviously meant "in the past 10 days" but I guess that was obvious to everyone

oh yes and I certainly agree that the name of that paysite is a little misleading but I still wonder why it was hidden for the past 10 days...

what is the exact procedure in such cases? who's the one reporting the site to Google?

in my case, I unexpectedly gained a prime spot for the "club seventeen" phrase in Google and while I enjoyed the increased income, it was kind of a strange feeling that I was promoting a site which I thought was compleltely legal, and yet still it was banned from Google because it "contained child pornography" as it was written at the chillingeffects.org site

oh well

SenSEO · 07-24-2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

I obviously meant "in the past 10 days" but I guess that was obvious to everyone

oh yes and I certainly agree that the name of that paysite is a little misleading but I still wonder why it was hidden for the past 10 days...

what is the exact procedure in such cases? who's the one reporting the site to Google?

in my case, I unexpectedly gained a prime spot for the "club seventeen" phrase in Google and while I enjoyed the increased income, it was kind of a strange feeling that I was promoting a site which I thought was compleltely legal, and yet still it was banned from Google because it "contained child pornography" as it was written at the chillingeffects.org site

oh well

Yes, the brand "Seventeen" needs some explaining now and then... This time it was Google's turn... again.
It's our brandname since 1975, when it started as an adult magazine. I'm glad to see that we're back in the index again, lots of people are looking for us daily.

Perhaps chillingeffects.org should check their resources, before they accuse sites of child pornography...

Ron2k1 · 07-24-2007, 05:29 AM

With the word "seventeen" in your porn site name, you can expect some troubles from time to time...

Good thing Google is indexing it again though...

SenSEO · 07-24-2007, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron2k1

With the word "seventeen" in your porn site name, you can expect some troubles from time to time...

Good thing Google is indexing it again though...

I wonder if Jan thought of this back in '75...

Ron2k1 · 07-24-2007, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SenSEO

I wonder if Jan thought of this back in '75...

Have you never asked that btw? Just curious, why didn't they choose the name club18 back in de seventees?

I understand there was no internet back then, but still....

tranza · 07-24-2007, 06:03 AM

Their site, their traffic, their rules.

Dirty F · 07-28-2007, 07:10 AM

Where do i go to ask about a site being banned? The fuckers blacklisted my gallery domain for a to me unknown reason.

Barefootsies · 07-28-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

as far as im aware google does not have to investigate dmca/cp complaints but they do have to abide by them..

Correct again. I just had to fax over documents last week to resolve this. Basically shifting responsibility from Google, to my company. Perfect 10 (now out of biz) enjoying casting large nets of unfounded assumptions.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

well to be fair , google can display who it wants when it wants.

Correct. It's their ball. They can take it and go home. There is no "right" to be listed.

LadyMischief · 07-28-2007, 08:54 AM

They remove all sites with "teen porn concepts"

07-24-2007, 12:06 AM	#1
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	Google banning sites from its search index because of unproven CP claims ? In the following 10 days the popular "Club Seventeen" website from Payserve was not showing in Googles search results index. If you searched for the term "Club Seventeen" , the ClubSeventeen.com site wasn't at the top - in fact it wasn't anywhere, because Google put a notice at the botton at their site, saying that because of a "CP complaint they received" they have decided to hide the url from their search results. A proper link to ChillingEffects.org was included. Now, after approximately 10 days the Club Seventeen website shows up again in Google if you search for it... Well, WE all know they are legit, and even though they have "Seventeen" in their name, in fact all models there are 18+ and they are one of the most reliable teen sites on the web. But why did Google temporary hide them? I mean, some idiot may send a CP compaint to Google but that shouldn't mean they should blindly listen to it and hide a certain url, until the situation is cleared. If that's indeed the case, then submitting such claims to Google could become a way to eliminate your competition, heh. Anyone here has more info on such situations? BTW if you're curious how this legal notice looked like, do a search in Google for really eighteen and see the notice at the bottom. The domain reallyeighteen.com belongs to Slick, who has had major drama on GFY few months ago because Directnic shut down his domain. Anyway, I'm glad Club Seventeen is re-listed already, but I wonder why exactly it was "hidden" for the previous 10 days, when we all know the CP accusations were wrong and Payserve has all the proper 2257 statements on their site. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	well to be fair , google can display who it wants when it wants. as far as im aware google does not have to investigate dmca/cp complaints but they do have to abide by them.. but obviously in reality we all know if someone made the same complaint about "myspace.com" even though the complaint would prob have more validity , it would not get pulled. just like directnic pulling slicks site. we all know damn well if there was a cp pic on a myspace site , their registrar wuld NOT pull the domain. they would likely get sent a notice and even if the pic stayed up for months , no follow thru would take place __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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07-24-2007, 12:45 AM	#3
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	I think it's ok to temporary stop linking to a porn site called club17 while you verify if it is indeed cp or not. I see nothing wrong with what they did. You can't expect them to know about every site, the name seems suspicious, it was brought to their attention, they stopped linking to verify, found it to be ok, and reinstated the links... seems reasonable and very responsible to me.

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