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Barefootsies · 07-23-2007, 07:02 AM

The other day I was listening to WM radio and one of the crackas made an interesting point.

"When you are working in mainstream, few of the new sites are actually brand new concepts. They are just improvements, or new editions of something existing."

That got me thinking...

Since I am now reinvesting a good share of my monthly into mainstream (although I already have projects being designed) it made me wonder how others investing out of adult are looking at their alternatives.

"Supposedly" ring tones, and mortgage leads, among other classic mainstream are dead.

Your thoughts?

Barefootsies · 07-23-2007, 07:23 AM

247Support_Ant · 07-23-2007, 08:18 AM

I will take a shot at this. We are currently handling mainstream inbound support for some of the credit card companies as well as regular mainstream inbound support. Yes, so they say all the money is in outbound, but I will take the less stress with the inbound and the steady cash. 24/7 support services for even hosting companies seems to be on the rise. Just my humble opinion. I know a lot of guys in adult that jump into restaurants and other brink and mortar business's.

XTuber · 07-23-2007, 08:41 AM

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GooSearch · 07-23-2007, 08:48 AM

i have been looking into mainstream stuff.. just dosen't seem to have the marketing material and numbers i want to see..

Libertine · 07-23-2007, 08:52 AM

It's funny how adult webmasters tend to divide the internet into "adult" and "mainstream".

I think that as the internet matures, adult will continue to become a smaller part of it. People simply don't spend most of their money in porn.

That said, I think that most money on the internet is to be made in business-to-business services. The popular, high-attention consumer services are getting extremely crowded, and new businesses would be better off focusing on niche services in markets that attract little popular attention but lots of money.

Barefootsies · 07-23-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

It's funny how adult webmasters tend to divide the internet into "adult" and "mainstream".

I think that as the internet matures, adult will continue to become a smaller part of it. People simply don't spend most of their money in porn.

That said, I think that most money on the internet is to be made in business-to-business services. The popular, high-attention consumer services are getting extremely crowded, and new businesses would be better off focusing on niche services in markets that attract little popular attention but lots of money.

Agree with you there buddy. When I first left telco, and started my own company I was doing telecom consulting for small, to midmarket businesses. I knew it well after the better part of a decade in consumer, and business.

However I can tell you I had to work a lot harder then I do now. So I opted for a more leisurely lifestyle in porn.

For me however,.. the porn angle has always been little more than doing something I understand, and enjoy while making enough money to invest in mainstream, property, and more tangible investments over time as the money rolled in.

That is the point I am now. Starting to diversify into other sectors. So I guess you could say, I am following the internet trend as porn becomes a smaller piece of the pie.

FakeNick · 07-23-2007, 10:07 AM

there is no money in mainstream stick with porn

Barefootsies · 07-23-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FakeNick

there is no money in mainstream stick with porn

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Barefootsies · 07-23-2007, 02:59 PM

squizzel · 07-23-2007, 03:11 PM

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-23-2007, 03:13 PM

I hate Idiots.

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ztik · 07-23-2007, 03:18 PM

Who was the idiot who was on the radio?

He is pretty far off and maybe those are the points from HIS point of view.

baddog · 07-23-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

It's funny how adult webmasters tend to divide the internet into "adult" and "mainstream".

I think that as the internet matures, adult will continue to become a smaller part of it. People simply don't spend most of their money in porn.

It already is the smaller part . . . and mainstream is as much responsible for the division as adult is.

While adult does not mind being associated with mainstream, the same does not hold true when reversed.

jonesonyou · 07-23-2007, 03:25 PM

Gold is the Rage on the Am Radio these days.

Barefootsies · 07-23-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

It already is the smaller part . . . and mainstream is as much responsible for the division as adult is.

While adult does not mind being associated with mainstream, the same does not hold true when reversed.

Agreed.

Barefootsies · 07-23-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ztik

Who was the idiot who was on the radio?

He is pretty far off and maybe those are the points from HIS point of view.

Indeed.

Barefootsies · 07-23-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XTuber

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Libertine · 07-24-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

It already is the smaller part . . . and mainstream is as much responsible for the division as adult is.

While adult does not mind being associated with mainstream, the same does not hold true when reversed.

Of course it's the smaller part. Read it again.

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as the internet matures, adult will continue to become a smaller part of it

What I am saying is that is, although adult is already a relatively small part of the internet (something I felt didn't need to be explicitly stated - guess I was wrong), it will become an ever smaller part.

Let me elaborate. In the early days of the internet, when there weren't many consumer applications yet, porn was huge. The song that was huge a while ago, "the internet is for porn", actually was true 10 years ago. You had email, icq, news, online auctions and shopping, crappy homepages... and porn. And that was about it.
Then came blogs, wikipedia, social networking, video sites, etc, etc. The share of internet traffic porn had became lots smaller.

What I am saying is that this trend will inevitably *continue* as the internet takes up ever more time in people's lives.

Now, as for the division between porn and mainstream... the funny bit is not the division in business, but the fact that many people in porn, especially old-timers, often seem to think that "adult" and "porn" are the two main niches on the internet, each roughly as important as the other.
Even the original post in the thread hints at that attitude, as it refers to "mainstream classics" - a phrase which was meaningful some years ago, but is less so today, as it is almost equivalent to something like "business classics".
The best way, these days, to look at business opportunities on the internet is the way one would look at business opportunities in a very large city. In a small town, standard "classics" might be worth looking at (a town without a bar? business opportunity -> start one).
In a large city, almost all obvious niches have already been filled, and one either has to do one really, really well and in a slightly different way (Starbucks, Subway), or find something decidedly new.

Barefootsies · 07-25-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Of course it's the smaller part. Read it again.

What I am saying is that is, although adult is already a relatively small part of the internet (something I felt didn't need to be explicitly stated - guess I was wrong), it will become an ever smaller part.

Let me elaborate. In the early days of the internet, when there weren't many consumer applications yet, porn was huge. The song that was huge a while ago, "the internet is for porn", actually was true 10 years ago. You had email, icq, news, online auctions and shopping, crappy homepages... and porn. And that was about it.
Then came blogs, wikipedia, social networking, video sites, etc, etc. The share of internet traffic porn had became lots smaller.

What I am saying is that this trend will inevitably *continue* as the internet takes up ever more time in people's lives.

Now, as for the division between porn and mainstream... the funny bit is not the division in business, but the fact that many people in porn, especially old-timers, often seem to think that "adult" and "porn" are the two main niches on the internet, each roughly as important as the other.
Even the original post in the thread hints at that attitude, as it refers to "mainstream classics" - a phrase which was meaningful some years ago, but is less so today, as it is almost equivalent to something like "business classics".
The best way, these days, to look at business opportunities on the internet is the way one would look at business opportunities in a very large city. In a small town, standard "classics" might be worth looking at (a town without a bar? business opportunity -> start one).
In a large city, almost all obvious niches have already been filled, and one either has to do one really, really well and in a slightly different way (Starbucks, Subway), or find something decidedly new.

Actually I was posing the questions to those who split time between the two, or have migrated to mainstream (as I am in the process of doing with projects being designed now).

In addition referring some interesting comments I've heard lately in that regard.

tranza · 07-25-2007, 07:50 AM

My first site was a mainstream one. I still have it. It's about a soccer team here in Brazil.

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