We Got Screwed: Scammer Alert "Mark Hartley

And what the fuck did you really expect by not doing your homework before dragging this guys program through the mud? You really crack me up!

He doesn't care. Mark has a history to call people out on this board and other ones for no wrong doings (just assumptions) and his buddies (or BROS) don't mind so no loss in income for him but no gain.

My guess is that he will stay away for awhile or just send some gifts to his BROS, who will post how great he is

Or he will just blame it on drinking....I believe I read a few of those posts throughout the years of being member here

i need a assistant to keep me briefed on all drama here

why isn't this on bromaster yet juicy?

Added to my shit list right next to AFF and Sex Search where they belong.

is it me or does AFF, DH, and Sleazy all fit together well like the 3 stooges.

wow this is a great read

Probably the smartest thing you could do would be to stop posting, but I am betting $20 that you wont. You will post in this thread again. You can't help yourself and you have a nack for digging your hole deeper.

Here is a recap.

GTS sells $16,000 worth of ads and gets ripped off but doesn't find out from the credit card company that the card is bad until all the traffic is delivered.

So they go to the url they sent traffic to and try to contact the owner of the site. That leads to dead ends.

They then try to follow the money to see what program the person was using. They contact the owner of that program and ask him for help. Regardless if he was rude or if they were rude the person still provides documentation showing he has no affiliate by that name, and his traffic or sales did not increase any across the board.

DH still wants his money back and since he fucked up and allowed himself to be scammed, and he can't track down the person who actually did this to him, then someone has to pay DH back, so he goes after this program owner.

DH tries to get his ccbill account closed, he threatens to try to get his program blacklisted across the net, and he threatens to "ruin" the guy. He makes a thread accussing his program of stealing $16,000 from GTS.


I would sware it sounds like Mark is a nnob. Let's use our heads for one second here. If someone used a stolen credit card and received all of the traffic from you before you noticed the card was stolen they would then go update the pages they use to show a different program so they could cover their tracks. Knowing they were scaming you, do you think they would leave a fucking trail of bread crumbs for you to follow ?

The program owner is under no obligation to even talk to you, but did try to help and showed you he had no increase of traffic, something supported by alexa (that's alexa.com incase you never heard of it before, if you need help using it let me know.)

So the program owner doesn't tell you what you want to hear (which was obviously nothing short of "ok I will give you $16,000 to leave me alone) so you proceed to try to "ruin" him. You tell people the program owner stole $16,000 from you which is absolutely ridiculous.

Now that 99 out of 100 people are telling you that you are way off base and have handled this very wrong you say " I will apoligize if he had nothing to do with it". WTF, you jump to conclusions, launch a smear campaign against the guy based on your own stupidity, and you make a huge fuck up and you will just apologize... that is so bro, i mean errr. big of you.

In the future you might want to contact your attorney or the nearest person over 10 years old for advice before proceed to try to destroy someone. You might want to have a little more concrete proof then " i think so" before fucking with someone's business. I can only think you would expect the same if someone was doing it to you.

Thats not english my friend, that is teh boy alley language.

Along with Mr Sexbankroll don't forget.

Gary

Will is a machine

I gotta tell ya between this thread and the 5000 ways to lose your wallet - i'm fuckin hooked.

OH Pot, where is the kettle.

Yeap, GFY is great source to read on how NOT TO DO BUSINESS.

Unbelievable people can jump to conclusions and try to ruin other people with out having REAL proof.

On a serious note though, those ICQ logs of Sarah and DrinkingHARDEST rank amongst the least professional correspondance I've ever seen. I know lots of you are about a billion times more successful than me, and seemingly many people don't give two shits about professionalism, but if I were buying from GTS i think I'd seriously consider looking for a broker with a more professional attitude, because it seems if the shit hits the fan, the dynamic husband and wife duo will be on your ass faster than if you'd dropped the bar in your local prison.

That said, I realise many of you won't read this nor change your minds based on the apparent lack of professionalism of a company, but I'd still like to hold some hope that at least a few people in this industry still value honour and integrity over money - because in the end those bucks will only be taken away from you anyway.

I have read through this thread for the last hour and a half and I have a few observations.

When I bought gallery sport through GTS, I was required to fax GTS, a copy of my drivers? license as well as a copy of the credit card I would be using to purchase the gallery spots. That was the policy, or so they said. Now, keep this in mind as you read through my observations.

1) If GTS, and it appears that they did, allow someone to buy 15K worth of traffic without a copy of the drivers? license and credit card used, then it?s their own fault they got ripped off.

2) If someone uses a credit card at any store (Wal-Mart, Best Buy, ect), to purchase 15k worth of goods, BIG, GIANT flags will go off in the persons head at the checkout line. They will call their manager and he will be calling the credit card company. If GTS, again, it appears that they did, took the credit card and NEVER checked it to be stolen, it?s their own fault.

3) When I bought my gallery spots from GTS, I went on vacation while the galleries were running. At the time, GTS was the ones who told me that my hosting company (at the time and NO it was NOT webair), decided to move my sites to another server. In the process of the move, a bunch of galleries got ?lost? and the traffic was redirected to my main page thanks to htaccess. GTS told me that the galleries were being redirected. I was on a cruse in Alaska at the time.

4) Apparently, now a day, GTS no longer monitors the galleries that they are sending traffic to.

5) When TMC sent GTS the server logs (and I assume he did since I have no reason to doubt him), The server logs would have shown a huge jump in traffic on the days that GTS was sending traffic to the galleries in question. Since the logs, (Again, I have no reason to doubt TMC) showed no jump in traffic. That to me, means the galleries were changed and the traffic did not go to TMC.

As far as I am concerned is GTS got screwed and it was their own fault. They took a 15k charge and never called the credit card company to see if the card was stolen.

IF, GTS was following the same policy I went through to buy gallery spots (fax a copy of my DL and CC), then they would be sitting on some evidence the FBI wants. Yea. I know. You can use Photoshop to make custom shit. Still, the point being?.

Im assuming that the person who used the card was a new customer to GTS. Why they did not call the credit card compant for 15k of charges is beyond me.


What I have learned is not to do any future business with GTS. When its all said and done, TMC could own GTS and a few of homes in this slanderfest. I was about to buy $1000 worth of gallery spots through them in Sept. Not any more.

I also noticed that the usual "bro's" have kept away from this thread. That tells you something about them.

My free observations.... No back to mindless threads...