Zeitgeist [(tseyt-geyst, zeyt-geyst)]


The general moral, intellectual, and cultural climate of an era; Zeitgeist is German for ?time-spirit.? For example, the Zeitgeist of England in the Victorian period included a belief in industrial progress, and the Zeitgeist of the 1980s in the United States was a belief in the power of money and the many ways in which to spend it.

The problem comes from the fact that the courts benefit from the law and that puts them in direct conflict to even rule on the law. This law is a catch 22 when it hits the courts.

We would not need an income tax at all if we used tariffs properly and stop hiding behind "free trade" Like our wonderful free trade with China. Our products shipped to China get a 25% while their products shipped here only get a 2.5% tax! :helpme

Tom Cryer just beat the IRS on Friday:warning:warning

Local attorney acquitted on federal income tax charges
Cryer stopped filing income taxes more than 10 years ago
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...WS03/707130321


The prosecution could not state any law making the average American liable for the income tax. All the prosecution could point out was rulings by two lower courts. However, as Tom Cryer stated The lower courts cannot overturn the Supreme Court and Tom Cryer stated numerous Supreme Court Ruling that conflicted with the IRS version of the law.

"The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable," Cryer said. "The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it." :thumbsup

6151. Time and place for paying tax shown on return
(a) General rule
Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall......

Again... where does it require me to pay it... It just says when it's required it must be paid by a certain time and place...

The laws lead straight to the fact that it's all about tax on foreign income... It's the courts that twist the wording, definitions, and intentions of those laws..

The courts, judges, prosecutors, etc. have to win because their client is also their boss... The govt'... Kind of a conflict of interest..

Even some in congress say it's illegal.. It'll blow up one day, then they'll act like they're doing us a favor and implement the 17% across the board tax, or some other remedy to get rid of the irs...

I read a case about a guy who was hauled in for failure to pay.. The code they used against him was 7203 which is a penalty code and not a law that can be violated... When he asked to see the law that he broke before entering a plea, the judge said, "You know what law you broke".. so they never even provided the law that he broke... just the code that provided the penalties if he in fact broke the law...

That's how they work..

I don't know how many times we can go in this circle. 6011 and 6012 tells us that we are required to file a return and who is required to do it. 6151 requires that those required to file a return (as determined by 6011 and 6012) pay it.

You can keep posting things off the website, but I, the Constitution, Federal, Apellate and Supreme Courts, IRS tax codes, and almost all accountants and tax attorneys would disagree with you.

I'm not arguing with you on it, just stating what the courts have stated are law. If you don't agree with their decisions, vote them out, vote in people who will appoint ones that agree with your point of view, etc. I don't see how the courts have a conflict of interest considering they are taxpayers themselves. But trying to find little loopholes and plays on words that have been smacked down by every court in the country for decades is not going to change a thing.

I'll be honest i havent watched the movie but jesus lives down the block from me and is very real.. :winkwink:

I dont have to watch the movie to know 9-11 was an "inside job" , problem is that "inside job" is a terrible term to use as it implies some guy sitting behind a desk ordering some "hit" on america , and this couldn't be further from the truth.

in my opinion only a small handfull of people other than those who took part in the attack had ANY information about 9-11 beforhand.. and i don't think 1 person in the american government knew what was going to happen..

That being said i think MANY government officials ignored warnings and helped build a climate of "hate" based on their own financial or political gain

if you stick a lion in a cage and poke it with a stick everyday, you cant predict or know how the attack will take place but you do KNOW that once that lion gets a chance he will fuck some shit up..

5:15 is when the intro finishes, just incase any body wants to skip it.

Especially when they immediately seize all of his property and freeze his bank accounts.

Someone set up the explosives in building 7, and someone told the 9/11 commission to ignore than demolition completely. I don't think it was any elected official but there had to be someone in the CIA or some military/intelligence black ops division directly and knowingly involved.

That is called guilty before proven innocent :thumbsup Another reason the 16th and IRS are unconstitutional

It's WAY easier to ignore reality and just watch TV than it is to admit to yourself that we're living in a horrific tyranny and are controlled by fear. 99% of people are weak minded cowards, myself included.

absofrickenlutely

Nor am I arguing with you.. I enjoy mature debate..

and as for me grabbing stuff of of a website... I'm just giving you the laws from title 26.. from Cornell U. actually..
and I can dig up supreme court rulings in favor of defendants... but I'm refering to actual law with this stuff..

and again..
6011 says, "any person made liable for any tax...." I showed you the law that states who is liable....
6012 says, "Every individual having for the taxable year gross income..."
A requirement for those who are liable..

It's all about foreign income... Now I'm talking about personal taxes.. not business tax as that does fall under laws that specifically state taxes are required as a right to do business.. Excise taxes and the like.. which is what the 16th amendment was about..

But you won't find any law that specifically states that an individual is required by that law to pay taxes on wages from U.S. sources.. as this is, or is supposed to be protected by the 1st amendment which supercedes any amendment unless repealed.

If you'll think about it... If there was such a law, there wouldn't be near as much controversy over the laws pertaining to 'income tax' .. and this has been going on for years where courts decide in different ways how it's supposed to be a law.. Some win.. some lose..

Why do you think all of the wording is so grey and confusing when it doesn't have to be..

And.. the site I referred you to is offering 10,000 bucks if you can show them an actual requirement law...

So I guess we can shake hands and just agree to disagree..

I understand what you're saying and I'm sure many people agree with that interpretation of the law. I'm just saying that until a judge says otherwise, the way we have it now is law.

And I'm not for our tax system, I hate it. I pay way too much while a huge percent of the population pays nothing. Money is stolen from me for Social Security and other services I'll never use or get back in value. But sites and movies like that don't do any good for the cause of less taxes or fairer taxes. It just fills heads telling people that they don't have to pay taxes when they do. I think the efforts of people like that would be better spent fixing the problems we have with our tax system instead of trying to find loopholes and bringing up issues that were settled by the courts many times.

What do you think of the Tom Cryer ruling this past Friday July 13,2007 I mentioned a few posts up? What impact, if any will come of it?

I think it will give more people the guts to fight the system. But I still don't think it will do much. It was a regular court and misdemeanor charges that he beat. Someone needs to win a case in the Supreme Court for something to change.

It's also worth noting that his case was more complicated then people see. It involved trusts and other stuff that he didn't file on. But the basis of his argument is that you can't say that someone's own labor is not an expense.

Damn do I really have 2hrs to waste watchin this?

Well.. the courts settle it in both directions... that's the problem...

And .. it may take more and more people to say, "Enough is enough.."

This could be where it's headed..

Congressman John Linder authored the The FairTax Act, H.R. 25 with these backers as of 2005...

Senator Tom Coburn (Oklahoma)
Congressman Henry Brown (South Carolina)
Congressman Dan Burton (Indiana)
Congressman John Carter (Texas)
Congressman John (Jimmy) Duncan (Tennessee)
Congressman Duncan Hunter (California)
Congressman Tom Tancredo (Colorado)

The Fair Tax Book (Amazon)
In the face of the outlandish American tax burden, talk-radio firebrand Neal Boortz and Congressman John Linder are leading the charge to phase out our current, unfair system and enact the FairTax Plan, replacing the federal income tax and withholding system with a simple 23 percent retail sales tax on new goods and services. This dramatic revision of the current system, which would eliminate the reviled IRS, has already caught fire in the American heartland, with more than six hundred thousand taxpayers signing on in support of the plan.

Blasphemy..repent sinners..Jesus forgives everybody..halleluya

More fun with logic...
 

Ok... well... I did not do it... ^^

There seems to be something missing... for example if such criminal individuals and or groups do exist but are seen as legal entities and they are just a few then I must ask then the question... when these families get introduced to each other and they have children and their children have children then after many generation why would you want to create wars and hardship for their own people... I think the history was described very well... however its hard to describe the future without causing much problems...

It is very normal for money to influence people, however if such people are as influential as being indicated, then money is not a factor... It seems to be a trend for people to think that the US controls everything; however this is not the actual case... There are many governments who have their own "spooks" who are always looking out for trouble... I don't mean going out of their way as to cause problems... so to say only a few individuals and or groups control everything is a bit of a stretch...

In the beginning of the movie they point out a very possible history that effects our day to day lives... however did not go into detail about possible secret groups, but rather just a few individuals...

Is their a secret war ?


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Jesus is lord

Don't doubt that - it's not exactly a new "secret war" and "old style warriors" are still strong, but with "modern warriors" eating away at the cake - and it's all "legal". Who knew? :winkwink: Reminds me of the mafia :)

ROFL - talking of nutjobs :1orglaugh

Religion has NOTHING to do with natural selection. Only a bible bashing idiot (like yourself) would suggest crap like this.

Religion is for IDIOTS who can't deal with their own insignificance(like yourself) :thumbsup

Re-read my post. I am an atheist. I said that we are prone to believe in religion because it is a by-product of natural selection and our ability to trust what our elders/parents tell us. The fact our society is prone to believe in religion is an unfortunate by-product of a trait that actually helped us to survive.

This is a theory that is held by most biologists and experts in natural selection. There have been countless books written by guys like Richard Dawkins that cover the topic.

As for religion not being a part of natural selection, you're wrong. Every aspect of who we are and what we do is a product of millions of years of natural selection. The fact that our society is gullible and succeptable to believe in things such as spirits and higher powers is a product of the evolution of our brain.

There is no PROOF, FACTUAL PROOF that jesus existed.

Also for the people bitching about Horus, he was called the sky god....well because he was the sun, duh.

i gotta see this

Btw there's no fate if you won't believe man

I'd say very little..
Though some may think they could win due to this..
the irs has said, in Publication 17 I believe it was, that they will take you to court even if there have been similar court cases where the defendant has won.

They've also said they don't hear cases where the Constitution is the basis for the defense..

So again.. they do what they want.

Religion = Fake
Politics = Fake
News = Fake
Movies = Fake

These are the things that shape our view of the world, our sense of reality... So everything is Fake too.

Ill give you two very well known quotes

"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results."

"What is the most important for democracy is not that great fortunes should not exist, but that great fortunes should not remain in the same hands. In that way there are rich men, but they do not form a class."


W. Churchill

this film isn't going to be as big as it should, the fact it's 2+ hours long will be it's own demise. if it was ten minutes instead, this thread would be well past 6 pages already.

I watched up into the explanation of the Federal REserve and the explanation of the money scam in the US. This info I had not scene before. The rest I had. The Movie was ok .

More people should watch this.

How to identify a psychopath:

1. Superficial charm and above average intelligence.
2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking.
3. Absence of nervousness or neurotic manifestations.
4. Unreliability.
5. Untruthfulness and insincerity.
6. Lack of remorse or shame.
7. Antisocial behavior without apparent compunction.
8. Poor judgment and failure to learn from experience.
9. Pathological egocentricity and incapacity to love.
10. General poverty in major affective reactions.
11. Specific loss of insight.
12. Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations.
13. Fantastic and uninviting behavior with drink, and sometimes without.
14. Suicide threats rarely carried out.
15. Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated.
16. Failure to follow any life plan

Sociopath vs Psychopath:

sociopaths, on the other hand, have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence. Both personality disorders are, of course, the result of an interaction between genetic predispositions and environmental factors, but psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental

jesus is a joke

Are the two conspiracies related? :)

So,(and this is a true story) Abraham woke the elders from their post Summerian slumber. He was flushed, visibly flushemelled. He said to the elders:

"I just spoke to god, he said we must take this sharp stone a cut the English Policeman's Helmet from the end of our penii. Do this my brothers, as a sign of the covenat."

The elders were dumfounded. One of them replied "Abraham, what is God"?

To which Abe offered "God is a spirit, he rules all, we are his chosen."

The same elder replied "no way"!

To which Abraham responded" "Yahway"!

There. Musy sell porn now.

And: thanks for the post!

Come on my brethren: choose the best niche of all....that of the open mind!

For Jesus. there is more than enough proof that he did exist. Not the way the church wants you to believe, but there was a man, that was in those locations at those times listed in the bible, and he was put on a cross.

The rest of the story is bullshit.

And here is the proof
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3dcf6cfcf4

damn!!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh