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DigitalPimp 07-15-2007 12:32 AM

Paris Exposed :1orglaugh

Martin 07-15-2007 12:51 AM

Powerful video. Thanks for posting....

Im ready to join the revolution.. Power to the people. Lets do it..

[db] 07-15-2007 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV (Post 12763480)
Ok I watched it, the whole thing, and the part that interested me the most was the two former IRS agents and how they said there is no law on the books that says we have to fill out a tax return, and how they quit after finding this out as well as quit paying income tax.

This can't be true can it? Many prominent people have been imprisoned for not paying their taxes.

There has to be a law right?



No, there is no law that says American wage earners are required to pay taxes. Wages are not profits, only corporate profits are supposed to be taxed. The IRS is a criminal organization who rule through intimidation.

Call the IRS and ask what law it is that requires someone to pay taxes on their wages. You will not get a response. You may, however, get an audit.


You have to watch this movie:

http://www.freedomtofascism.com

ServerGenius 07-15-2007 03:19 AM

Entertaining with some interesting points too bad the good stuff is filled up
with the usual conspiracy stuff.....

GreyWolf 07-15-2007 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donkevlar (Post 12761347)
Zeitgeist was created as a not for profit expression to inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the population at large think they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period of research and the current Source page on this site lists the sources used / referenced. Soon, an interactive transcript will be online with detailed footnotes and links.

Crap... yet another "freedom of expression opinion movie" only possible because it can be disseminated over the net. If it took a year long period of research someone needs to go back to first year at film school.

There is nothing wrong with making people think, especially when they are dumbed down to a silly level and incapable of thinking. But.... that happens by presenting facts with no bias or deviancy on either side. Generally both of these elements are missing in junk - and this is no different.

Mixing 9/11 and ramblings about religon is very US - so bets on, there is another agenda from a "think tank", propaganda workshop or weirdo group trying desperately to have a conspiracy to play with. It's too off this planet to be considered elsewhere - laughable in parts but dumb idiots will absorb the content. The dumb are easily impressed and influenced.

Despite that - it's nicely put together in bits and all-image-and-music-designed for impact, but also uses well-worn propaganda and "influencing techniques" ("power music", images of 9/11 and voice-overs on religous matter, and "end of the world" dialogue blah). It's just too silly, but.... the presentation is OK and there is a use for that with subject material more relevant.

GreyWolf 07-15-2007 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12763798)
Entertaining with some interesting points too bad the good stuff is filled up
with the usual conspiracy stuff.....

Correct :thumbsup

pocketkangaroo 07-15-2007 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [db] (Post 12763749)
No, there is no law that says American wage earners are required to pay taxes. Wages are not profits, only corporate profits are supposed to be taxed. The IRS is a criminal organization who rule through intimidation.

Call the IRS and ask what law it is that requires someone to pay taxes on their wages. You will not get a response. You may, however, get an audit.

Internal Revenue Code 6011(a) requires to file a return while Section 6151 requires taxpayers to submit payment of their taxes with their returns.

You asked for the laws, there they are.

voa 07-15-2007 03:57 AM

Interesting video.

Porn Farmer 07-15-2007 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12763162)
there is no disputing that jesus lived unless you plan to dispute the writings of every historian, writer and philosopher of the time. if you are going to be a total idiot and argue that because you can't find a copy of his driving record or astronaut application form, then he didn't exist, then sure... you win. congrats!

i dont believe in god but i don't think that there exists any reasonable argument to dispute the notion that jesus was an actual person that lived.

How many atheists do you think become theologians?

ServerGenius 07-15-2007 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12763162)
there is no disputing that jesus lived unless you plan to dispute the writings of every historian, writer and philosopher of the time. if you are going to be a total idiot and argue that because you can't find a copy of his driving record or astronaut application form, then he didn't exist, then sure... you win. congrats!

i dont believe in god but i don't think that there exists any reasonable argument to dispute the notion that jesus was an actual person that lived.

There have lived hundred 1000's of jesusses sure there was a jesus son of
Jozef and Maria I'll believe that yet all his miracles and shit is just a load
of crap.

It's a fact that numerous religions are based on the same stories and events
of which a lot are rather symbolical instead of actual events. It's not something
that's recently been discovered the movie just mentiones and bunch of them
and presents them as facts instead of theories which of some hold truth and
others are just nothing more than theories.

The way they are presented makes it look very credible that all are facts
and therefor is misleading and contains a substantial amount of fiction.
It's quite smart coz the 1st part mainly is meant to build up credibility for
the next parts which holds very facts mixed with a good amount of conspiricy
theories.....

Overall it's a good movie as long as you don't take all the info as facts. You
should be aware and it's just another theory based like most others which
sure contains valid points and questions to the events as they happened.

:2 cents:

BusterBunny 07-15-2007 04:27 AM

50 .........

not2new 07-15-2007 05:23 AM

OK , So now that we all have been educated about being lied to and taken advantage of , we are all victims...
What do we do now?????
If our founding fathers came back at this very moment ( most all of them Christians) what do you think they would say??????
They gave us the right to bear arms so things like this wouldnt happen ( forget about the religeon thing , ive herd we are from fish to martins in theroy) What now???
I think if Georg Washington came back today he would say something like "LETS START KILLING MOTHER-FUCKERS"....
But we all know that isnt going to happen , is it ????
Thank you for the Movie , it was very inspiring and emmotional , but like one of the posts said above ;"lets all just go back to work like good little sheep before we all get indicted for being terorests or comunists or maybe even rebels..."Every so offten the tree of Democrecy must be watered with the blood of Patriots..... Thomas Jefferson

Goes to show you what real men are founding fathers really were.
God bless all of you
P.S. The quot above may be slightly off but i'm sure you all get the picture. :ak47:
By the way , i have 2-younger brothers that just came home around 2-months ago from Iraq....
Marines , the two of them... As a matter of fact the older of the two came home with ,the way he describs it, a Prime-rib size piece taken out of his left thigh.... the result of an RPG (Rocket propeled Grenade).
The guy in front of him was blown apart.
He says when they would enter a village on patrol , to start kicking in doors, the people , natives, would run out and greet them with hot tea.....
He talked about the troops having to rummedge through the dumps to find Steal to put on the door of there humm-v's as protection and how the Gov has body armour that will prevent AK-47 rounds from cutting through there personal b/armour like butter ,but the gov wont give it to them as its to expessive, the new stuff i mean....
They didnt have any interest in re-signing.....
The older of the two brothers has two combat tours ( Afganistan and Iraq) and a purple hart....
When he returned to the states he called me irate...
Turns out that when he came home with only 2-3 weeks left , he was in a short timers squad...
Most of the men in this squad had a whole bunch of combat experience...
They had a young (ass-hole ) sargent that, insted of letting them go home after role call , he made them pick up PINE-CONE'S around the base....
Thanks for staying in harms way for over 3.11 years and getting a nice chunk of your ass blown off YOU PEICE OF SHIT is what he figures he was being told...
I am sure many of you have a story so ill leave it here. Thank you again for the film.....
Take care all....

VicD 07-15-2007 05:30 AM

interesting stuff

potter 07-15-2007 09:27 AM

Just finished, watched the whole thing.

Part I - I never believe in religion to begin with, so yeah woohoo.
Part II - Utter disgust that it could be true
Part III - Eek, Don't want to have kids and put them through that shiot.

Incredible video though, true or not it is hands down the absolute best "conspiracy" theory ever. Utterly outstanding, and I'm glad to have seen it. :thumbsup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin (Post 12763554)
Powerful video. Thanks for posting....

Im ready to join the revolution.. Power to the people. Lets do it..

That's exactly what I was thinking about half way through. I was like, "ok time for a revolution, where do i sign up, will there be coffee?"

JFK 07-15-2007 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Money (Post 12762524)
I'm the chosen one.

I saw dat:pimp

Scootermuze 07-15-2007 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12763864)
Internal Revenue Code 6011(a) requires to file a return while Section 6151 requires taxpayers to submit payment of their taxes with their returns.

You asked for the laws, there they are.

6011(a) General rule
When required by regulations prescribed by the Secretary any person made liable for any tax imposed by this title, or with respect to the collection thereof, shall make a return or statement according to the forms and regulations prescribed by the Secretary. Every person required to make a return or statement shall include therein the information required by such forms or regulations.

When required... doesn't say who is required..
Every person required to make a return... doesn't say who is required..

6151(a) General rule
Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return).

Again... doesn't say who is required...

Neither of those codes are laws requiring anyone to pay anything...

Now.. go find the title or regulation that actually requires a wage earner to file and pay taxes on those wages...

They work with the knowledge that they have all the money in the world to fight, where the average Joe Citizen can't afford the battle..

Phoenix 07-15-2007 10:08 AM

nifty video...

stickyfingerz 07-15-2007 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porn Farmer (Post 12763879)
How many atheists do you think become theologians?

Well I can name one big one off the top of my head. C.S. Lewis.

donkevlar 07-15-2007 10:42 AM

So what do people think about the 9/11 section?

The buildings fell demolition style.

The steel all came down with it, and was cut.

There was molten metal burning hotter than jet fuel can.

You can't fly a huge plane into the first floor of the pentagon.

And that other plane that crashed just vaporized?

The military couldn't stop 2 planes headed directly for downtown NY?

They faked a Bin Laden video and lied over and over.

...

potter 07-15-2007 10:57 AM

I just linked this on a Colorado based board I'm on. Holy shit. I know it's a hardcore red state and anything anti- republicans, religion, current administration gets heat. But shit, guess I'll think twice about posting anything unless it's from FOX news from now on.

potter 07-15-2007 11:17 AM

Still taking heat. Not one person's even watched it yet either, just bitching.

Scootermuze 07-15-2007 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by potter (Post 12765262)
Still taking heat. Not one person's even watched it yet either, just bitching.

When people have their minds made up, and don't want to have to go through the process of maybe changing their views on some things, they avoid any sources that could maybe cause it to happen...

Jarmusch 07-15-2007 11:30 AM

I'm downloading the flv file and will watch it later, thanks.

potter 07-15-2007 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze (Post 12765289)
When people have their minds made up, and don't want to have to go through the process of maybe changing their views on some things, they avoid any sources that could maybe cause it to happen...

For real. It's sad. :upsidedow

Mr Steele 07-15-2007 12:16 PM

Good video...Well put together, with lotta interesting info.

Heard a lot of it all before, so maybe i'm a bit numb to it all by now, but the video that really blew me away was:

RING OF POWER Pt 1
: RING OF POWER Pt 2
From the mystery religions of ancient Egypt to the Zionist role in 9/11, "Ring Of Power" unrevises 4000 years of revisionist human history with never - before - seen revelations. "Ring Of Power" puzzles together the pieces of a giant puzzle into one BIG PICTURE documentary series.

Part I: 9/11 THE UNTOLD STORY (38 min.) Half the world believes Muslims were responsible for 9/11. The other half believes Israeli Zionists were responsible. Who?s right?

Part II: HIDDEN EMPIRE (22 min.) The world?s most powerful empire is not the U.S.A. It is an empire that insiders call ?Empire Of The City?.

Part III: TRAIL OF THE PHARAOHS (25 min.) Did the Biblical Abraham really live to be 175? Did Moses really turn staffs into snakes and rivers into blood?

Part IV: GOD AND THE QUEEN (30 min.) Genealogy charts show that British and French royalty are descendants of Mary Magdalene and Jesus Christ. Is it true?

Part V: ALL THE QUEEN?S MEN (22 min.) How rich and powerful is Queen Elizabeth II?

Part VI: THE GODFATHERS (30 min.) They scammed control of the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, then they found GOD ? Gold, Oil and Drugs.

Part VII: CHEATING AT MONOPOLY (52 min.) How many people would play a game of monopoly if the banker was cheating and fixing the rules? Over 6 billion.

Part VIII: ASSES OF EVIL (29 min.) The New World Order Mafia are invisible rulers who make puppets out of politicians, heroes out of villains and villains out of heroes.

Part IX: KING OF HEARTS (22 min.) The ultimate goal of ?insiders? is to disarm the world and create one world empire under one world ruler. Who is he?

Part X: SOLUTIONS (28 min.) Protesting and writing letters to deaf politicians doesn?t work. What does work?

juz 07-15-2007 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [db] (Post 12763749)
No, there is no law that says American wage earners are required to pay taxes. Wages are not profits, only corporate profits are supposed to be taxed. The IRS is a criminal organization who rule through intimidation.

Call the IRS and ask what law it is that requires someone to pay taxes on their wages. You will not get a response. You may, however, get an audit.


You have to watch this movie:

http://www.freedomtofascism.com

The 16th amendment -
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."




documentaries are the new religion, praying on the weak minded

IllTestYourGirls 07-15-2007 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12762969)
Yes there was proof that Jesus lived. Besides the littany Christian writers, there were a handful of non-Christian writers that referenced him in their works. I'm not sure why biblical scholars and religous historians "have to" do anything. Most aren't religous at all and in fact view the history of religion as just that, history.

The only thing disputed are the references to Jesus in ancient writings. Some say that they aren't that reliable, while others point to some omissions of his name in certain writings. Whatever your view is on the issue, I'm simply pointing out that your opinion on him not existing is in the extreme minority of those who dedicate their lives to the historical research of religions. They believe that Jesus was in fact a man who lived and had a following, but that he was also fairly insignifigant.

No one wrote about Jesus when he was said to have lived. They all wrote after the fact and through word of mouth.

IllTestYourGirls 07-15-2007 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze (Post 12764980)
6011(a) General rule
When required by regulations prescribed by the Secretary any person made liable for any tax imposed by this title, or with respect to the collection thereof, shall make a return or statement according to the forms and regulations prescribed by the Secretary. Every person required to make a return or statement shall include therein the information required by such forms or regulations.

When required... doesn't say who is required..
Every person required to make a return... doesn't say who is required..

6151(a) General rule
Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return).

Again... doesn't say who is required...

Neither of those codes are laws requiring anyone to pay anything...

Now.. go find the title or regulation that actually requires a wage earner to file and pay taxes on those wages...

They work with the knowledge that they have all the money in the world to fight, where the average Joe Citizen can't afford the battle..


Vote Ron Paul and hope to say bye bye to the IRS. If we were to stop taking income taxes right now, that would bring the total money that the US gov has to spend back to the year 2000 amount. Are we saying that we can not make changes and spend less? I think we could find a way without stealing everyones incomes.

Scootermuze 07-15-2007 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juz (Post 12765538)
The 16th amendment -
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

That amendment is limited by article I.. and it didn't give congress any new taxing powers...


The Supreme Court, in a decision written by Chief Justice White, first noted that the Sixteenth Amendment did not authorize any new type of tax, nor did it repeal or revoke the tax clauses of Article I of the Constitution? Direct taxes were, notwithstanding the advent of the Sixteenth Amendment, still subject to the rule of apportionment and indirect taxes were still subject to the rule of uniformity.

SexualDragon 07-15-2007 02:14 PM

How long is this intro.?

pocketkangaroo 07-15-2007 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze (Post 12764980)
Again... doesn't say who is required...

Neither of those codes are laws requiring anyone to pay anything...

The question was what law required people to pay, that law is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze (Post 12764980)
Now.. go find the title or regulation that actually requires a wage earner to file and pay taxes on those wages...

Since you asked, it's section 6012 which goes into great detail on who is required to pay.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/irc6012.pdf

Phoenix 07-15-2007 04:11 PM

back to the top

Porn Farmer 07-15-2007 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12765057)
Well I can name one big one off the top of my head. C.S. Lewis.

I'm not talking about atheists who converted to Christianity and then became theologians. I'm talking about actual atheists who became theologians because they wanted to study theology.

DavieVegas 07-15-2007 05:00 PM

K i watched this whole fucking thing and what intrigued me the most was from 1:39 min into the movie till the end. It talks about the one world goverment and the money. Its scary to even watch this part of this movie to me. I Advise everyone to watch this movie from an hour 39 min on till the end. Only 20 min or so. PLEASE

yahoo-xxx-girls.com 07-15-2007 05:07 PM

Fun with logic... Dogs are so playful ... ^^
 
My general rule is:

I don't believe any conspiracy that I'm not a part of... ^^

As soon a you deny the existence of a plausible group... then you become part of the conspiracy if you side with or against such an entity ...

Simple logic... I'll quit my day job and walk dogs... if I'm wrong !!!

Don't believe me... ^^

.

Scootermuze 07-15-2007 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12765910)
Since you asked, it's section 6012 which goes into great detail on who is required to pay.

Actually 6012 tries to say who is required to file returns... not pay taxes.. and is an enforcement code.. not an imposing code.....

You have to establish who is required to actually pay before any return requirement can apply...

The privacy act states that you must file a return or statement with us for any tax you are liable for.

The only code that shows who is liable is 3403..
Only employers and withholding agents are liable...
Now who are withholding agents? 7701 (a) (16)

(16) Withholding agent. The term ''withholding agent'' means any person required to deduct and withhold any tax under the provisions of sections
1441 - Withholding of tax on nonresident aliens
1442 - Withholding of tax on foreign corporations
1443 - Foreign tax-exempt organizations
1461 - Liability for withheld tax

Sooo.. citizens aren't liable for taxes on U.S. wages.

Now.. the form required to be filled out pertinent to 6012 has an OMB number of 1545-0067.. This is form 2555 - Foreign Earned Income
1.6012-0................................ 1545-0067

Form 1040 is used if there are refunds, deductions, etc for what taxes that are required, but not for a requirement to pay..

This could go on forever....
What the law says and what the courts do can be two totally different things because of the confusions and gray areas of the code...

If you want to get to the guts of it all and like to read alot, it's all here with the codes references and the whole speal.....
Not a conspiracy site... just all the guts...

Phoenix 07-15-2007 05:26 PM

wheres franck calling everyone an idiot who watched this?

wheres 12 clicks sticking up for his republican party?

wheres stickeyfingerz?

nothing to say? man these three are sheep..they are the ones holding the doors open for fellow prisoners and claiming that there looks to be good food up a head in the holding cells....dont worry they'd say this is for our own good


Sheep....and i mean in the worst way possible

IllTestYourGirls 07-15-2007 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 12766438)
wheres franck calling everyone an idiot who watched this?

wheres 12 clicks sticking up for his republican party?

wheres stickeyfingerz?

nothing to say? man these three are sheep..they are the ones holding the doors open for fellow prisoners and claiming that there looks to be good food up a head in the holding cells....dont worry they'd say this is for our own good


Sheep....and i mean in the worst way possible

They are too busy wondering how Ron Paul a free thinker is the best choice for president :thumbsup

Mr Steele 07-15-2007 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 12766438)
wheres franck calling everyone an idiot who watched this?

wheres 12 clicks sticking up for his republican party?

wheres stickeyfingerz?

nothing to say? man these three are sheep..they are the ones holding the doors open for fellow prisoners and claiming that there looks to be good food up a head in the holding cells....dont worry they'd say this is for our own good


Sheep....and i mean in the worst way possible

You forgot that they'd actually have to watch it 1st...not very likely
And the fact that the director's not overweight seems to throw them off...there goes 1/2 of their arguments against it right there ::winkwink:

pocketkangaroo 07-15-2007 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze (Post 12766424)
Actually 6012 tries to say who is required to file returns... not pay taxes.. and is an enforcement code.. not an imposing code.....

I know, 6151 is the code that requires you to pay it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze (Post 12766424)
You have to establish who is required to actually pay before any return requirement can apply...

Those required to pay are those who are required to file. It states so in 6151.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze (Post 12766424)
The privacy act states that you must file a return or statement with us for any tax you are liable for.

The only code that shows who is liable is 3403..
Only employers and withholding agents are liable...
Now who are withholding agents? 7701 (a) (16)

(16) Withholding agent. The term ''withholding agent'' means any person required to deduct and withhold any tax under the provisions of sections
1441 - Withholding of tax on nonresident aliens
1442 - Withholding of tax on foreign corporations
1443 - Foreign tax-exempt organizations
1461 - Liability for withheld tax

Sooo.. citizens aren't liable for taxes on U.S. wages.

Now.. the form required to be filled out pertinent to 6012 has an OMB number of 1545-0067.. This is form 2555 - Foreign Earned Income
1.6012-0................................ 1545-0067

Form 1040 is used if there are refunds, deductions, etc for what taxes that are required, but not for a requirement to pay..

This could go on forever....
What the law says and what the courts do can be two totally different things because of the confusions and gray areas of the code...

If you want to get to the guts of it all and like to read alot, it's all here with the codes references and the whole speal.....
Not a conspiracy site... just all the guts...

The Privacy Act thing is one of the weakest arguments made by these sites. There's a ton of court cases that have rejected every one of these arguments from US vs Wunder, Salberg vs US, US vs Holden, Lonsdale vs US, US vs Neff, and US vs Hicks.

You can argue that the courts are all wrong, but the judicial branch has the job of interpreting law. If they say the law stands and rejects the case, then it stands. Are you saying that the courts are all wrong? The only argument you can make is based on that, since every issue you brought up has been ruled on by our courts over many decades.

And I've read through sites like that. They have interesting interpretations of our laws. But it doesn't matter what they think, it matters what a court says about it.


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