Actually I DID buy a cabin in the woods :1orglaugh

Walter Reed - yeah, that was a great place. Run by the government and the military.

Grady Hospital in Atlanta is in jeopardy of closing down because it's a government run hospital. One of their solutions to stay in business? Get more patients who have private insurance.

Just two examples off the top of my head.

And if Medicare and Medicaid are so great, why are more and more doctors refusing Medicare/caid patients? Sure the "customers" are happy - they get free care. The welfare mother is happy with her food stamps too.

Sorry if I don't just watch one news show or watch one movie to get my info from.

I was merely answering this question:

Many upscale subdivisions DO have their own police forces, BTW.

Yes, Walter Reed.. isn't it nice how your chickenhawk deserter politicians fuck over vets? You point hospitals as examples of government fuck ups? Aren't you just bolstering MM's points when you bring up how fucked up healthe care is?

Out of the 25 leading western nations, we're the only ones that do health care right? I'm sorry too, I'm sorry that you get your 'news' from National Review Online'. Since when are doctors refusing medicare patients? That's a guaranteed and reliable payment for them, most doctors love medicare patients. Food stamps? You want to see people starving on street corners? Many, MANY people get into situations where they need a little help, at one time including myself. Food stamps etc kept our family alive and together until we could get back on our feet, god bless food stamps. Of course, brilliant people such as yourself, and I can tell your brilliant by your business success, would never need food stamps. I'm sure you think only fat black women with ten criminal kids use food stamps, because that's what you've TOLD to think.

Granted, I'm older than a lot of you so perhaps my real life experiences are different. But so far I've yet to see an example of where the private sector didn't kick the ass of any government run business.

And again, I don't care if my insurance company makes money off me or not - I want the choice to have private health insurance and from MM's mouth, he doesn't. I disagree with him. Period.

He's not lying. Most volunteer firefighters are trying to build points and their resume so that they can be hired full time. Not all, but I would say the majority.

I can afford to pay for a private police in my subdivision in Spanish Trails. Can you? If you can't pay for it, you don't deserve it. Out of the two of us, clearly only I deserve police protection. Right?

I doubt you're that much older than me, and just because you don't know it or understand it doesn't make it any less true that govt runs large enterprises better than private industry, especially enterprises without a large profit margin. Not a secret, as well known as night follows day but not intuitive, therefore you have to educate yourself just slightly in a real school to know it. It's unfortunate that there are so many politicians willing to lie to you and to mislead, because THEY definitely know it, but it's your fault for voting according to dumbass hot button issues like gay marriage.

LOL! Dude, relax :)

I never said anything bad about people on food stamps. I said they are getting something for free so they certainly aren't going to be COMPLAINING about it. Just like Medicare/caid patients aren't going to complain - they walk in, they get taken care of. What's to complain about?

Why are doctors no longer taking them? Slow payments is the #1 reason. My personal doctor hasn't taken Medicare/caid patients in years. He was LOSING money taking them. Just like a lot of landlords won't rent to Section 8 tenants - free money? Yeah - with a lot of strings attached and it can take months for that first check to come in.

ONCE AGAIN, I don't care if the rest of you want to go to the government doctors and hospitals, but I think it's absurd to cheer on someone who wants to take away the ability to get private coverage.

I want the choice to not have my tax money spent to kill people who never did anything to me. You want the choice not to fund a system that will provide superior medical care for everyone. I don't think either one of us are going to get our way. It's called a democracy.

I think it's absurd to have all the facts in front of you to make an informed decision and continue to make ignorant ones. I think it's absurd to keep calling MM a liar when he's demonstrably not. I think it's absurd to vote for a President who treats veterans like shit, and who disrespects war heroes when he went AWOL like the coward he is. I think a lot of things are absurd.

I never said he was a liar, I said I disagreed with him. Surely you think we should have the right to choose? Why champion someone who wants to take a choice away from us?

For the same reason I would champion Lincoln when he reined in the south, for the same reason I would have championed the politicians who made the Fire Dept. a govt responsibility when fire brigades would show up at your house and make you pay the bill before they would put your fire out. For the same reason I champion politicians who want more money for underfunded police forces and to fix the potholes in the public thoroughfares.

Because it benefits all of society, and it makes sense, and it's the best way to do things.

Why do YOU champion a President who wants to spy on you without a warrant, who wants to take away your right to a trial, who wants to torture people like we're a fucking third world banana republic, and who encourages neighbor to spy on neighbor?

eh?

You think that private health care would disappear if the government offered free health care? :1orglaugh

Geeze, seriously, I know I type a lot but does anyone take the time to read what I write? :1orglaugh

I said MM said in an interview with Leno that he (MM) thought private insurance should be gone and the government take over healthcare completely. I said I disagreed with MM on this.

I hope that's easier to understand :winkwink:

typical .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I have proof that George Bush fucks Condi in the ass while Michael Moore takes her pussy .....

But, I will not post it here, but trust me, there is plenty of proof out there ...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hmmm, strange, to me that reads firefighters, not department. Like I said many volunteer, that's what they do to get hired. It's not easy to get hired, but those who want to, need to volunteer.

Erm, I haven't championed any president....:helpme

I could be wrong (as I often am) but doesn't every other country with socialized medicine - you know, the countries everyone else is saying are so great - offer a private insurance option? I know Canada does because when I worked for a Canadian company, all of our employees who could afford it bought it.

I'm no healthcare expert, but I believe that you can also get private coverage in most countries that have state health care if you can afford it. I would do it. I would have two or three seperate policies right now, one thru the biz and one private one except that under this system both companies would try to deny you treatment on the basis that they are not your primary provider.

When it comes to your health you cover your ass the best you can afford.

Did you know that seniors at a certain age can get medicare/hmo? They take the fees right out of the social security check. This year the cap on prescription drugs is $2400 for the year. After they hit the donut hole they have to spend another $3600 out of pocket before the insurance will kick in again. I cant say which company im referring to but 18% of its seniors that have the medicare/hmo plan have all ready hit there donut hole and its only July.

There is a alert that went out last month to grocery stores here in my county instructing them to report large purchases of cat food and dog food by seniors becuase they know whats coming...

yep, medicare is being defunded and has been ever since Bush hit office, and it's serving the segment of society that gets sick most often and has the highest per capita health care costs - seniors. It's a tough situation for the old people.

So Dig, we just spent 2 pages arguing when we agree with each other?!! :upsidedow

Ahh didn't read that sorry.

However he's simply trying to provoke *mad views*. If you think this is something that could or ever would happen then.....

The fact is, private healthcare would always be around for those with the means and desire to purchase it.

No. Just because *I* can afford something doesn't mean I'm going to forget about the millions who can't. This country needs universal health care in a bad way.

No he may actually be saying that you shouldn't be allowed to opt out of the system, and he has a point if he is. You're not allowed to opt out of many programs that are federally funded, because it would leave them underfunded.

Well, you can opt out of the program itself, but you can't opt out of paying your taxes for it.

You might be thinking of Blue Cross. It's private insurance, 'supplemental' to government provided health care, covering whats deemed the non-critical side of things; dental, vision, prescription drugs, homecare, shit like that.

Our system up here is not perfect, it needs a lot of fixing for sure, and I was hoping Moore would have pointed that out more in Sicko cuz it left him open for jabs later on, little jabs easily defended.

One reason wait times in Canada are longer for specialists and procedures is because of a shortage of doctors, to my understanding. In what we call the brain drain, we lose a lot of our university educated professionals to higher paying jobs south of the border and we especially feel it in health care. Especially in rural areas where few doctors with a taste of the city life want to end up.

You got me curious, whats them buying dog and cat food indicative of ?

He may be THINKING that, but he clearly said we should do away with private health insurance completely. If it's repeated - watch it ;)

While I would certainly love to opt out of paying into the program, I know that will never happen - just like you still pay taxes for the public school system even if you send your kids to private (something else I think the private sector does better than the government :winkwink: )

You can group me in with Holly any day. :thumbsup

I love how anyone who doesnt love all the spew Mikey froths from the gapping hole in his head must be brainwashed. :1orglaugh

I love lefties.

One side of their mouth.

Government is bad Fuck the government. Government has no idea what they are doing. Government needs to stay the fuck out of our lives!

Other side of their mouth.


The government should be running our health care system. Let them control it all... Silly Silly.

WHAT???

It's a business... for a small percentage of the people it pays out more, the rest of the people cover it. That's how all insurance companies work. They're not in business as a charity.

I love people who lack the intelligence & thinking process to see past the leftside / rightside mentality and can't focus on what's better for the people.

If they paid out more then they took in they wouldnt be in business and united health care couldnt have paid its chairman a 500 million dollar bonus.
Also Peaches if it all went gov wouldnt that kill medical coding which you have been studying?

Cant blame him he is home all day.

http://www.impawards.com/1990/poster...alone_ver1.jpg

but in 20 days, he is revolutionizing the model of the adult business ... :1orglaugh

Actually 80% of the medical coding is done for Medicare/caid - another reason my doctor doesn't accept Medicare/caid patients - he can put his procedures into about 500 different codes whereas Medicare/caid is VERY strict and to be honest, makes a lot of "busy work" and costs hospitals and other providers millions a year if it's not done the way Medicare/caid wants it. In order to get payment from the government, the providers spend millions in salaries so the claims aren't completely turned down. It's why it's such a fast growing field.

In actuality, the more government gets into healthcare, the better off I am at owning a coding company and the more money I'll make. :thumbsup

That doesn't mean I want the government to manage MY heathcare for me.

Well they are fearing seniors are going to spend there money of the much needed drugs to live then to buy food and return eat dog and cat food :(

So because we see it differently then we must be wrong... HYSTERICAL!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

First: I am glad you just admitted to be one of those people I described.

Second: wrong about what? Did you state a fact? I must have missed it, all I saw was an opinion.

opinion think about that....

no one said your opinion was wrong, think about that...

Poking Smot over there or what?