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Old 07-04-2007, 01:23 PM   #1
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Mars also experiencing global warming: scientists

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MARK COLVIN: NASA scientists have revealed that our planetary neighbour, Mars, is also experiencing global warming.

In research just out in Nature magazine, the researchers say Mars is heating up at a similar rate to earth.

One climate change sceptic here has seized on the study as a challenge to the assumption that climate change is caused by humans.

Jennifer Macey reports.

JENNIFER MACEY: The red planet is heating up, so much so that the polar ice cap on Mars has been disappearing over recent years.

Now scientists at NASA's Ames Research Centre in California have gone part of the way to explaining this change in the planet's climate, by researching changes in dust and reflected heat from the sun.

The research shows that between the 70s and 90s, Mars warmed by point 0.65 degrees Celsius.

Here on earth the average temperature rose by point 0.75 during the 20th century.

Doctor Charles Lineweaver heads the Planetary Science Institute Research School at the Australian National University's Mount Stromlo Observatory.

He says on earth greenhouse gases trap radiation from the sun, which causes temperature changes, while on Mars it's due to the red dust.

CHARLES LINEWEAVER: Every once in a while there's a giant dust storm on Mars, and we don't know why, and there's a feedback - the light comes in, it's either reflected or absorbed. If it is absorbed, that produces more heat, that produces more dust devils. The dust devils then raise some of the dust into the atmosphere and clear off some of the darker rocks, and that absorbs more sunlight, which produces more dust devils, et cetera.

JENNIFER MACEY: The climate modelling systems used by the NASA scientists to measure the temperature change on Mars are similar to those used to forecast the weather on Earth.

Professor Andy Pitman from the University of New South Wales is an expert on climate modelling, and was a lead author on the Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change report released earlier this year.

ANDY PITMAN: The models that represent the Earth are vastly more complex than you would need to represent Mars. But the processes that are used to explain the results in the Marsian study, those mechanisms are included in the climate models used to project the future climate, and have been shown on Earth to be negligible in their significance.

JENNIFER MACEY: However, some global warming sceptics say the research does point to holes about climate change theories here on Earth.

William Kininmonth is the former head of the National Climate Centre at the Bureau of Meteorology, and the author of Climate Change: a Natural Hazard.

He says it's an interesting observation.

WILLIAM KININMONTH: The variability of climate on Mars suggest that there is an equal probability of, variability of climate on Earth, and the fact that both Mars and Earth are warming at the same period, we either look to coincidence, or we look to some common feature or common factor that's causing them both to warm a little.

JENNIFER MACEY: The University of New South Wales Professor Andy Pitman dismisses any connection between the warming on both planets as silly science.

ANDY PITMAN: There are no links, there are no common factors, there are no associations. It's entirely coincidental, and it's completely explicable by known mechanisms on both planets that are in no way related.

MARK COLVIN: Professor Andy Pitman, climate modelling expert from the University of New South Wales, ending that report by Jennifer Macey.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:29 PM   #2
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Yes, of course Mars will experience Global Warming...

Mars has thin atmosphere... as we have all know...
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:31 PM   #3
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hmm thats pretty interesting, I look forward to hearing more on this we could learn a few things from examining mars.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:39 PM   #4
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Yea, mars does have a thin atmosphere, and it is caused by the dust rather than CO2.. but the numbers quoted on that make it so mars has heated up in 20 years, what it took us to heat up in 100

plus, i think mars has the ability to lose that heat a lot better than we do
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Hi richard maybe you can spend more time telling us about your use of zango and how it's being looked into thanks.
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Must be from all the smog those Mars rovers created.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:40 PM   #8
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Jesus fucking Christ.
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I zoomed in on the last photos I saw of mars, and found this to be the cause.

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I think I should go to Mars and check this out hehe
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sorry, didn't see it.. looks like you posted almost a month before this article too
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I zoomed in on the last photos I saw of mars, and found this to be the cause.

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When my house gets too hot in the winter the first thing I think about is what is causing the "heat" not what is keeping it in too much. If Earth and Mars both use the same "furnace" maybe there is some sort of hmm "link" between both getting "slightly" warmer. Wtf could it be? Its a fucking mystery I tell you A FUCKING MYSTERY!!

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When my house gets too hot in the winter the first thing I think about is what is causing the "heat" not what is keeping it in too much. If Earth and Mars both use the same "furnace" maybe there is some sort of hmm "link" between both getting "slightly" warmer. Wtf could it be? Its a fucking mystery I tell you A FUCKING MYSTERY!!

yea, it is an odd coincidence.. frankly, i'd rather global warming than figuring out why ALL the planets are heating up

keep in mind, with all the co2 on the planet, we'd have trouble losing the heat
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