you are one of my favorite performers, its great that you are in porn now, you should use those powers of telekinesis to remove the hardcore from my site :)

shemp

I'll have Sasush take care of the hardcore matter, Shemp. He works as a freelance hacker for the Leader, did you know ?

You know, Ive never asked for hardcore galleries or denied a gallery for not being hardcore. I dont make the galleries, webmasters SEND THEM to me and paysites give them the hardcore and somebody else gives them free hosting.

Just post pics out of the sears catalogs, you guys will do well with that.

shemp

Once upon a time there were no TGP's...and people made money...I hear it was even more than a cent....the end...

People don't have a problem paying for porn.
People that visit TGP sites have a problem paying for porn.

I get less than 1% of my traffic from TGPs.

TGP owners think traffic equals money. It doesn't.

I would rather trade with steffies little TGP (as she described it) than some of the big ones - as she probably has more original traffic than the traffic that gets traded 900 times through scripts.

The one TGP I do run (running more soon) - if I had 500,000 visitors would make $40,000 A DAY. It is a crappy TGP - I wouldn't even post it here, as you guys would all laugh at it.

Of course, I don't have anywhere near that much traffic, but the traffic I do feed it with is quality. I don't trade with anyone, I don't have hitbotters.

I KNOW WHERE my traffic comes from - and it isn't TGPs. I'd much rather have a listing on Persian Kitty and get 5,000 visitors a day for a few days - than 100,000 from a TGP.

People would be better of doing free sites in most cases than TGPs.

My 2 cents.

Amen!

with 99.999% freeloaders being jerked thru 3-10 "surfer friendly" tgps (with 2 year old archives) and hundreds of newbie galleries with 20 hardcore pics and 2 small banners on free hosting, "tgp3" wont save you, and version 4, 5 and 6 wont either.

but it is as somebody mentioned earlier:
as long as banner and gallery spots are still bought, the big players will not change their plans. and seriously: why should they?

Oops, posted in wrong thread!

This coming from the little bitch who cant make enough to support himself and is always trying to sell his sites. And not very successfully I might add.




Gee thats funny. I was making quite a bit of money before tgps, and still continue to make quite a bit of money now without relying on tgps.

It is someone like you who would die without tgp. Hell, you cannot succeed WITH tgps. You run one of the largest, yet you still cant make anything off it.

Its pretty hard to convert hitbot traffic isnt it?

Well god damn, someone with a clue.

So you run them for pleasure?

Not everyone runs tgps - I never had the impression labret did, but then again - I have no clue what he does other than post alot here.

No, not everyone does. But then most who do, aren't ashamed to admit it. Nor do they have the perversity to browbeat others who do the same.

This is the second time you've insinuated this. :)

Are you saying Labret run's a TGP? If so, which one?

Yes, I would like to know as well. Make it a good one please with lots and lots of traffic.

let's hear it.

In collaboration with SD he runs Sleazydream.com.

HAHAHA

I just do the layout. He wont let me touch the galleries and stuff. He wont even let me ftp.

Is the suspense killing you guys? ;)

Im just waiting for another chance to verbally abuse you. Lets have it.

only if you have something...

You sure do a great job with what you do. Keep up the good work.

Are you responsible for that masterpiece of a layout at discretesex.com then also?

HAHA

I love this place.

Nope. Sleazydream takes up all my time.

But I bet your design experience and taste influenced Hun's choice of color back in the day...

Here's one

and another

and yet another

Note the icq #33360135 on the traffic trade pages (if he hasn't already changed them)

I can demonstrate that that is indeed his icq #, though not the one he uses here.

idiot.

I was hoping for better.

Demonstrate away

Oh, so those aren't your sites then?

I always thought scatcity was Labret's ...

Here is as much as I will give you. Congrats on outing a close friend of mine.

Ask Dawgy who runs it.
Ask foe (who did the php programming for it) who he did it for.
Ask STWOF (who did the logos) if the work was outsourced to him.
Ask Pensfan who asked him to do logos for it.
Ask any number of people from here who have bought traffic from them who runs it.

Better yet, should I get the guy on here who does run them?

Please, lets see those ICQ logs. Better make them good.

Not allowed to link to it. Put that number in the search at AWI. "50k movie post for sale" should come up. Third page of the thread. 4th post down.

Thats it? Thats your wonderous proof?

And guess what. I ended up buying it as well. The infamous tgp that sleazy always bitches about.

There are 4 of us using that icq number. It is our "work" icq so to speak.

Congrats.

Nevermind, wrong tgp. I was referring to TTG.

And then show me how those turn into a half million a year for moi via ibill.

I bet the dog ate your homework a lot.

Anyway, I'd love to sit and talk more tgp with you but I gotta get some sleep and hey you probably have a ton of galleries to review...

Again...

Ask Dawgy who runs it.
Ask foe (who did the php programming for it) who he did it for.
Ask STWOF (who did the logos) if the work was outsourced to him.
Ask Pensfan who asked him to do logos for it.
Ask any number of people from here who have bought traffic from them who runs it.

Any number of people who deal with "fboaz" will tell you that it is not I, but rather an associate of "I". Congrats on stating what numerous people around here already know.

Now out all my paysites (the ibill stats).

The only sponsors I see on those sites are Boys First Time and BaitBus. And sadly, I dont run those.

One would think that if they were mine I would be sending traffic to my own sites yes? Esp considering two of the three you mentioned are the largest gay tgps out there.

Woow.. Ok I am now awake again and read my post earlier.
I do have to give something else into this

I love TGP traffic
Everytime one of my galleries gets listed on the hun I jump up and down (I've been submitting to him since he opend and its still a great feeling)
I never yet made it to the Elefantlist, but damn if I ever do I buy myself a beer lol
I know everybody thinks that tgp traffic is so so traffic, but!

It depents how you use it.

I use it to push me further up on a variety of toplists who cover my niche (Amateur, Biker, Lingerie, etc etc)
that in turn gives me quality traffic back.
I really don't count on sales from "The Hun" but that doesn't stop me for adding my galleries to him for such that reason.

TGP 3s are a great idea. Maybe not for the big guys, however remember when I said I would run 2 galleries thru rs and see what happends.
Well I did, almost all small tgp's accepted me. And most smaller ones don't trade with big tgp's because well uhm, we just don't have the kinda of volumn of traffic.
So far I got an average of 2500 uniques on my galleries and I did convert some, so I am pleasantly surprised (woo hoo)

So tonight I will run regular galleries again, but I will still throw in every 2nd day one of those tgp3s. It can't hurt me.

Here are my galleries I submitted, I did change a bit of the original format, but it basically stayed the same.

http://www.fucksexlinks.com/galleries/09/
http://www.fucksexlinks.com/galleries/10/

I can fully understand why big tgp owners won't accept tgp3s on their site somewhat, but than on the other site. If the thumbs are greyed out and we still give you the same amount of free pictures. Why would it be such a big change. Just take like 50 tgp 3s in your tgp. Like somebody with original content, or content which is hard to find.

btw, what is hard to get for you all? I have about anything lol. So I can make galleries (don't ask for movie galleries, I can't affort THAT!)
:helpme

Pichunter...Petr...when I started Thumbzilla, I caught a lot of grief from webmasters. Many of them told me that Thumbzilla would go down the tubes within a short period of time. Many of them thought that my toplist idea sucked. You see, on my TGP I had a toplist for trades that updated every 10 minutes...no one had that on a tgp at that time. No one. Now nearly everyone does :-) I had a logo that they said would turn surfers off or scare them away because it was not sexy. In my quest to create quality traffic on a TGP, I had very strict rules for submissions and for traffic trades, and they said those rules were stupid and would prevent people from wanting to submit galleries to me and would prevent webmasters from wanting to trade with me. We get over 2000 galleries submitted to us per day now. Circle Jerk webmasters hated me because I would not trade with them. Well, my main thing with Thumbzilla was a focus on trying to create quality traffic on a TGP. So, my rules were geared toward that goal. One of my rules was that I would not trade with any tgp that used blind thumbs for traffic trades and another was that I would not accept or post any galleries that had any blind thumbs in them. Those rules will never change on Thumbzilla (which of course means that I would not post those galleries you are talking about). And the traffic that I send to the sites that trade with me is traffic that has very good conversion ratios.

Here is my point, Petr: I stuck to my guns no matter what anyone said. I had several new concepts on Thumbzilla when I started that site, and I got criticized immensely and in the harshest of terms by many webmasters. When you have a new concept or idea that is what happens. But I stuck to my guns. And while Thumbzilla is not the biggest tgp, it is not the smallest, either, and it is still around, you know? So...you stick to your guns. You are trying to come up with new ideas, new concepts, and I applaud you for that! Either your ideas will succeed, or they will not, but one thing is for sure: you will never know until you try.

As for the people who think TGPs ruin the internet, well, I can tell you that my sponsors, paysites, have made a hell of a lot of money from Loyal Thumbzilla Surfers. And I did not use one single blind thumb or one single mouseover in the process of sending those surfers to the paysites over the years. I think there is an argument to be made that TGPs are the backbone of the adult internet, as a matter of fact :-) Paysites make a huge amount of money from surfers coming from TGPs or from galleries that are posted on TGPs...it is as simple as that.

:thumbsup

Labert, you have no fucking idea what I make. So stfu and mind your own fucking little bussiness and let the big guys work. :321GFY

Thanks for your input bro. I've been thinking about trading traffic with you many times, but you wouldn't like my traffic, as my bookmarkers are very loyal and the prod will suck (most likely) on your site. But hit me up on ICQ if you can please: 125183312

This is gonna be good...

*popcorn*

What is the problem with making a TGP3 site and feeding it (not trading with) with TGP traffic?

Would surfers bookmark a TGP3?

404's all here...

popups :Oh crap

hell of an old thread..

anyway, still no TGP3 indeed

hahahahhaha i remember this thread