I think the leader is banned from GFY.


Of coarse, that's just what I heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who's friends with him.

Petr, I have no problem with the concept, I just dont think you should be fueling it with original TGP traffic. I send hits to your site, to blind link galleries and you send hits to my clean galleries. If a new site started with those blindlinked thumbs, I wouldnt trade with it, and I cant trade with a site that changes to that format. I have prepaid advertsiers that expect traffic and page views and there is no way I can jeopardize that.

regards

shemp

That's the crux of it right there. As long as the big TGPs do well selling advertising, things won't change.

And you guys would be smart to let Petr in the club. He will quit whining and his efforts to start the revolution will cease immediately. He is the only one with a half million uniques a day that cries. Somebody should wake him up to the obvious.

if traffic in general goes down , gig prices goes up
i remember when a gig costed 7$ ...

I will submit this kind of gallerie to your site.

Well I wish you luck on this.
I'm pretty sure this has already been talked about and done before in one form or the other.

So sorry but it's not a new idea.

I do support the idea of reducing the amount of free porn on the net.
I mean come on, 250k to a gallery and no sign ups! That should tell you something right there.
This has happened to webmasters over and over again. And to some of the biggsest webmasters around, testify brothers!

And if anyone really thinks Tgp2 is over and gone, well you just keep thinking that.

Oz

The idea is great and it'll generate more sales for sure.
But the problem is none of the other sites will join this idea.
You'll lose your traffic to the normal TGP's
After all most tgp owners think of keeping the freeloader happy and rather have 1,000,000 freeloaders that keep comming back then 100,000 people that want more but can't get it without flipping their credit card.

What's the matter pichunter? Still only making 10 bucks a day?
tgp3? nothing new. when tgp2 started I stated on message boards that galleries with no linked thumbs is the way to go if you really want to half ass stand for less free porn.

I have been doing exactly that on my own private tgps ever since and it does pay.

AND contrary to popular belief tgp2 is dead .
you retards don't get that a circle jerk is a circle jerk
but sheep shall be sheep.
lemmings shall be lemmings and this cliff is that way......>
and where the fuck is your fearless tgp2 leader?
seems he bolted on you:1orglaugh
ltrz
god of tgp3

This is a nice idea, and it will work.

This game is all about risks. This month i took the risk of changing round all the galleries I post on my free sites, and now have only 6 full size pics, and the rest point straight to the pictures inside my members area.

Its worked. just had the best August for 2 years. Signups are up 30% across the board, with all billing companies we use.

I'm sticking with it, guaranteed the big TGP's wont post these pages now, so i say ignore them, dont post to them

if all gallery makers did this, and did not bother to post to any TGP who wont list them, those TGP's would run out of stuff to post and have to take a cut down gallery.

I say its not down to the TGP's, its down to the gallery builders to get together. The TGP's will have no option but to list them in the end. And this business will be more profitable for all.

Gallery makers get together. We're the guys who can make a change. :2 cents:

Question

Do you think this site makes loads of money?http://www.sugarteens.com/

They don't give away the farm, It's a tgp/ big ass ad

I love it, I plan to build all my sites like this, exept a few feeders, also I will ad an AVS protected area for hardcore galleries

I haven't been around a while, but it doesn't take to long to see free porn is bad for business.

Any comments about http://www.sugarteens.com/

I'm learning everything I can

Tgps will not list a gallery that might actually convert such as TGP2 or what was proposed by this thread. They want the pretty pictures for their surfers and honestly why would they give a fuck how their traffic converts for anyone??

They will not list something censored, they want to keep the surfer on THEIR page so they can keep selling ad spots and traffic.

Conversions on any variation of a free site are by far greater than any tgp crap traffic.

Its called build a fucking free site and exchange links with similar sites.

Censor pics and tease the surfer, and watch your conversions go sky high.

Obviously anything other than traditional tgp galleries will not be listed by a tgp. Let that part of the industry do its thing, let the sponsors make their own decision about how to give out their content.

The internet is GROWING.

The hell with TGP3. I'm jumping right to TGP5. All ascii art! Ascii thumbs, leading to ascii full size pics! Think of the bandwidth savings! Woohoo!

Wait...TGP6....all ascii but only 1 thumb allowed per page. This rocks!

TGP6 FOREVER!

I think you are on to something here! :1orglaugh

Pichunter makes more money than you will ever dream off. It's just that 500,000 uniques could be making 1000 times more. That's what scares me. It's not that I don't make money, it's that I CAN and I WILL be making 1000 times more. It's all about efficienci and about taking advantage of your traffic to the fullest.

Petr,

I think deep down inside (other than the really huge guys like Shemp, The Hun, Zilla, World Sex, Ect) know that tgp's cannot continue at the rate it is going. It's the battle for who can have more submitters that submit 50 Series Pic galleries and 10 MB movies. As great as that sounds to the general Tgp that wants to have 1million bookmarks and 10million page views, it realisticly doesnt pay off for the people buying the spots, and putting out the world class free galleries in order to try to obtain a sale. Someone will wake up, perhaps not at the huge level that I have seen posted on the baords here for the last month (thumbs linked to sponsors, consoles on galleries, galleries with only thumbs and no big pics, galleries with 10 thumbs only), but I think their will be a change.

I for instance have taken a different route, i have spoken to Germes (Tgp Brownie) to develope a script that can check galleries that have thumbs that lead to html pages. Maybe not a great idea for everyone, but it's what I want to do on my tgp's (which I have plenty large and small), that will be my change, not for everyone, but Ill roll with it, will I lose traffic, maybe, maybe not, no one sasy I have to let complete shit galleries go through.

I respect all of the big dogs, they set the pavment, you cant and shouldnt expect them to change. Why the hell should they.

However I think some of the smaller sites that wont control the huge portion of the market should grow some nuts and give something new a try, that way every newbie that jumps online considers following the smaller tgp's design paths, it's like poison ivy, it will spread.

Xtc
Dirty Daughter.com

This is by no means a New Idea. Its nothing more then Blind Linking thumbs straight to a sponsor??....Its been done since the conception of galleries...It is fine for someone who wants to send their own traffic to it, but you wont find many, if any others willing to send their traffic to a gallery where 1/2 the thumbs go to a sponsor....Get a clue:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

yes,you'll make $10mil from tgp traffic

Interesting concept gotys, building these galleries would not take all that long after you have a decent template. Just switch new pics in everyday.

The only problem with this is the fact that surfers can get free porn from all the other sites out there that still stick to the "TGP 1" format. I hate to say it but I think you will lose a great deal of bookmarks to Pichunter because of this new format. Maybe over time it might be worth it but can you weather the storm. That is the question???

If you are already concerned about your cash flow maybe you should hammer down and put some money away before you consider such a HUGE change to your sites format. If that site is your bread and butter maybe you should consider trying the format on another TGP you own and feed it traffic from Pichunter. I am not trying to tell you how to run your own business. Just trying to give you options.

Good luck.

DH

P.S. What happened to the Leader?

Xtc runs some big sites,he will and i congratulate him for this,adapt the format of his sites in a way it will be more profitable for him. Gotys will do the same and again congratulations. Where your site ranks in sextracker doesnt matter unless your mission in this industry is to sell banner spots to others. It's not something everybody has to agree you know. None webmaster sets the standards of the industry. Each one of us does it and you need to realise it.

Why care about all the free porn on the net?
Everyone says that free porn will kill the porn biz and people won´t sign up because they can find free pictures....
What a load of crap!
If you think people wont sign up for paysites just because they can find a handfull of free shit on some linksites you are way off course....

It dosen´t matter if there is 1000000000000 free pics out there if a paysite still got the unique shit the surfer will like.

So get your act right and stop bitching.

CumSensei over and out.

Soul, that was pretty well said:thumbsup Good points made.:winkwink:

Getting rid of the freeloaders is easy... Design a site where there's not a whole lot for them to do.

thanks Wiredoctor :-)

but obviously most of the "webmasters" are blind. Every single day tons of new tgps start from people having purchased expensive trading scripts, the host on their own dedicated and they use the most expensive tgp script...they buy traffic for a site lacking originality and they complain why it's stuck at 5k.....

You know...the internet is a great thing, but it is flooded by idiots. Lately I tend to respect more people that talk less and act more, they don't ask around for anything they do, they try things alone and they are beyond the rest. Tgps explode due to some tgp owners talking about the money they make from their huge money blah blah...so every single clueless started a tgp. Suddenly 5000 tgps seeking for the same share of traffic/money. Great....give me a break. When I go shopping for clothes let's say I see business that make WAY more than any tgp owner on the web. Who are these people? Common businessmen, they run their own business in a local street, doing their work properly and this is it. You, egoistic tgp owner that you have zillion potential surfers you ended up having as only revenue doorway the banner spots? Congratulations.

I have been joking at Gotys in the past about his tgp, but this doesnt mean that I dont believe Gotys is smart guy, he achived his target within a short period of time. The same target that 1000s of you chase every day. Now his mission is to make the most of his surfers. I think if he stay focused and not get disturbed from the idea losing surfers he'll achive it. Personally I would prefer running an 150k site that makes five times more than a 500k site. I'm sure Gotys prefers the same. I recommend him to try alone and keep his effort for himself. He has the traffic,he knows how things work better than most of you. Who ever is going to drop a trade with gotys sites because he would list a different format of galleries is blind, stupid and his future in this industry in my eyes looks limited and unsecure.

<quote of LAMike's post from other topic>

Its not the free porn that is killing the pay sites. Its the free hardcore porn.

If we could somehow stop free sites from offering hardcore then the surfers would have to join the pay sites and everyone would make twice the money
It would be benificial for the free sites and the pay sites


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LAMike
The New SilverCash "Unleashed"



Here. You got the answer for 100th time from people that know what they do and you passed it.

I'd drop it in a heartbeat. The trade is based on sending surfers to a quality site. If the quality changes, the trade is re evaluated.
I think Petr and I have come to an agreement on this.

shemp

Funny that sites like link-o-rama and tommys-bookmarks trade with tgps. I know that trades are based on traffic numbers and productivity. I also know that many of you spread your legs to get a small trade with some big linklists. Exposure to less hardcore and different gallery layout will increase the quality of the surfer and will not decrease it. It's not hard to see the difference. Everybody would prefer receiving surfers exposed to LESS hardcore porn because they would be more potential customer than the ones the average hardcore tgp has.

Thank you Sir. I am definetely pleased to read your words. I am not sure what kind of stuff you do online, but it would be nice hit you on ICQ, drop a line if can. Thanks.

Other than that, there is not much to be said at this point. Everyone expressed themselves, some very very intelligent comments were posted in this thread, and I am stunned looking at your words thinking - wow, what a bunch of smart people here, and they can't cooperate together!

Yes, it is human nature, everyone for himself, noone for all. We'd be takling communism here, and we all know it doesn't work.

Again, thank you all for your inputs. I will post another thread within couple of days when my site - sweetmomma.com is ready to be released. I will keep you posted about conversions and profits, because I do want to change this world, somewhat. There will always be TGPS, TGPs2, TGPs3...whatever have you. There will always be two groups of people: the ones that inovate, and the ones that copy. I used to get very pissed about all kinds of pichunters being released. People would copy my concept left and right , and I would just get furious. Now I want the different. I want everyone to copy my idea, and it will happen if people see it being profitable. And when that happens Regular Freeloader Joe will have hardred time finding his free shit. And this industry will be once again a paradise for us.

Many strong opinions here and many which I don't agree with. We all created and fed this "free porn beast" on the net. Now people want to tame it. That's fine and new ideas are the bread and butter of any industry. I just don't think tgps will change much because it is like a crazy cycle. It just goes around and around with new webmasters and new surfers each and everyday. Plus therer is still plenty of bling to be made by filtering, filtering and filtering...

If you want to make changes start something completely new. Name it something new and feed it with traffic from sources other than tgps. Tgps are here to stay whether people like it or not. Enough bitchin' already get back to work.

BTW any tgp owner who all of the sudden decides to allow linking from thumbs after restricting it in their rules is a fucking hypocrite in my book. This is not dircected at any individual, it is just a comment.

Again if you want to change shit start something completely new which runs side by side with tgps. I am sure a lot of us would be willing to give it a go.

LD:thumbsup

Why? i know plenty movie posts sending surfers with blind thumbs to sponsors. Some times this forced way works better than waiting him to click on your tiny link. The very experienced tgp surfer will never click on your thumb and most probably will never purchase anything, at least at the moment when there's no need to do so. Everything for free. If you speak from the side of the gallery builder I have already said that this word through time will tend to extinct. The tgp owner can use any way he wants to make profit on his site. Obviously the rules in the submit page do not apply to him. Thanks to sponsors there are some 1000s galleries each month with sponsor links, without needing review waiting the tgp webmasters. Keep in mind what I said for the gallery builder.


Gotys thanks, jeez dont call me sir, we are the same age probably. :-) my icq is 164819091.

gotys, why not just make a TGP2 site, crank out a fuckload of TGP2 galleries of your own, and see how that goes?

TGP2 has even more aggressive advertising than your example galleries, and you would use even less pics, which would spread out the ontent even farther (more bang for the buck). The biggest downfall of TGP2 was the lack of traffic - since you control one gigantic site, and several smaller sites, coming up with 10-20k for a TGP2 site should not be too hard for you. When I had a 15k TGP2 site, it made nice money. I just ran out of my 404 traffic to feed the sites.

Give it a thought. You wouldn't be out there all alone, trying to sell a new concept. You'd just be breathing new life into an existing marketing scheme that could use some fresh traffic that isn't skimmed at 60%.

Very well said Steve



To the others that keep talking about where is there leader now, what are you talking about? There was no King, controler or leader for Tgp2.
I hear this all the time.

Things are being changed and modified to make Tgp2 into what it was meant to be. More relaxed advertising rules. Most sites will share the same set of rules which will be automatically updated on all site if there is a rules change.

There were many problems and a lot of BS that popped up because of greed and ego. Well that is gone for the most part.
We are 95% fat free. And hope to turn Tgp2 into a lean mean green money machine.

So no Tgp2 is not dead by far.

Oz

I have an idea. Shut off your god damn computers, go back to Taco Bell and quit diluting my fucking traffic sladicks.

I am going to trick a pack of hobos into carrying in several hundred pounds of c4 into the next internext tgp party and have them detonate like a gang of armpit and ass smelling suicide bombers.

motherfuckers who are killing this industry trying to fix it. Fuck you and your tgps. You are the problem, not the fucking solution.

You are a cancer, a virus to this industry. The only way you will go away is when the host carrying you dies.

stfu

Truth stings a bit doesnt it?

Notice how he didnt dispute it.

Yeah and who the fuck are you to tell us what to do then :)

What Oz said, mostly.

TGP2's first year is over. It's failed to live up to a whole bunch of hype and hot air that was passed out of various and sundry orifices by various and sundry folks, many of whom are now no longer to be found anywhere near tgp2. A lot of people thought they were going to get rich quick, and got pretty pissed off when they realized the amount of hot air they'd bought; they're gone too.

It had to fail at first. TGP2 was passed off as some kind of "save the porn" thing - the "movement" was going to cause a "revolution" that would make all the webmasters millionaires, and probably save life on earth as we know it in the process. What a bunch of shit. TGP2 is nothing more, and nothing less, than another way of marketing dirty pictures.

That being said, tgp2 is still doing what many people think we ought to be doing - putting out fewer free pictures, and increasing the marketing allowed on galleries. There are an increasing number of small to middlin' tgps accepting 5-picture galleries. There are folks trying to figure out the same puzzle that we are ALL trying to figure out - traffic.

TGP2 is not a success - yet. But it ain't dead either.

Labret I thought you fucked alot and was smoking weed all the time. If that is the case you should be pretty mellow, but your always worked up and in a bad mood.
Maybe that "weed" you've been smoking is nothing more then a bag of dried out dog shit and Canadian maple leafs.

Nice sig. I bet plenty of people on here dont know about OxCash yet.

Wear that clueless newb badge proudly.

Nice stereotype of smokers.

Maybe you can push Plats vaporware in your sig next. I bet it will make you as much as you make now.

Labret you claim to have things pretty good but you always seem unhappy or in a bad mood. Things ok?

Labert, you retard, if there were no TGPs, you wouldn't be making a cent. When a fucking Joe gets his first AOL access, they search for "Free porn", they don't search for 'Paid Porn", now where the fuck do you think your traffic comes from you homo?

ooh - i hope labret is online.

uh oh

Labret is the moodiest motherfucker I've ever seen on a public board.

Someone (this thread is so long I forget who) said it right - it's not the free porn, it's the free hardcore porn.

I'd be so happy if TGP reviewers would reject anything hardcore. If they can't get it for free, they're gonna have to pay for it - where's the difficulty in understanding that?
You're not going to get the idiot gallery-makers who post 50-pic galleries complete with cumshots to stop making those galleries. They're clueless. They blow in, blow up their bandwidth bill, and run streaking home to mommy. But ten more step up to take their place.
So it's in the hands of the reviewers. Stop posting the hardcore!

Rather than linking straight to the sponsor or not being linked at all, what if the TGP3 greyed thumbs linked to an FPA saying "Sorry bud, you gotta pay to see the good stuff"?

I'm shocked no one has said that free sites are the ones giving out all the free porn. Honestly shocked. Seems that it's a war with free site builders and TGPers each blaming the other.

I'll also throw in my support for TGP2. It's not dead, it's just lasted long enough to weed the stats-addicted idiots out. Now it's down to a core group of long-term thinkers who are there to be serious and make money rather than stare at stats all day. :)

http://aolsearch.aol.com/dirsearch.a...ry=free%20porn

hmmm.... none of the results on the first page of aol search for the query "free porn" belong to any tgp's...

People that usually get in the top 5 listings for competitive keywords like "free porn" and "hardcore sex" are usually
SEO's and not tgp owners. It's a whole new different ballgame........

Didn't you set the Prom on fire a few years ago?

shemp

1. Not free hardcore content. Let's face it, the newbie who wants a quick buck, starts off with free content. Just don't offer any hardcore ...
2. Content providers should keep an eye on the sites that their content will be used on. Eventually even sell only softcore sets with few pink for gallery makers (for less $$$) and sell the full hardcore sets only for approved AVS/paysites. That way it could be monitored where the content goes.

As far as I know, some providers do it already, it should be introduced on a larger scale though.

:2 cents:

You can't prove it if you don't have video.
And if you do have video, I want half of the profit. :Graucho

100 !!!