I'm hoping this thread dies beore the Leader sees it.
He is going to have a crapfit,

shemp

Best thing to do is to have your own tgp site/sites with decent traffic, and list tons of your own galleries, with however many thumbs you want, pics on html pages, thumbs wrapped around a fpa, big pics linked to the sponsor ...etc I already see a lot of pretty big tgp's listing only hosted galleries and all their own shit...

Ofcourse we don't want everyone and their mom starting a tgp now ... there's already to many out there
Death to all Tgp's! :1orglaugh

Alright I see Petr has changed his tune a little from a week ago. Whats up with that? :)

I have to say I disagree with just about everyone's opinion that feels that "It Will never Change". A change doesnt mean a complete do away with all free porn approach... It could mean a lot of things, and as with any business (which BTW this is). this Business can change ina heartbeat. For instance, let's imagine... (work with me on this it's deep :) ---> On tuesday, there were no pay site sales, none, anywhere in the world, than it happend again all the way through the following Tuesday, trust me, shit would change, people might start removing paid ad's, ect. Things would scramble, and you can bet that "It will never change" will quickly become, "Holy shit did you see how fadst everything changed".

As for Petr's idea, Ill give him the props on the creativity, however im not sure im all about posting galleries with full sets, and a huge % of them linked right to the join page, think of some sponsors out there with 900 consoles on the main page of the tour, that would most certainly piss a surfer off, I like the idea, but I think the gameplan needs to be worked on a bit in order to make that type of gallery acceptable in any fashion, anywhere.

The August blues should be over here shortly, so im sure that posts like this will come to an end. However I will still make some internal changes on the galleries I list as well as the galleries I create for my own sites. I have tested some variations of the above out (minus the link to the sponsor), and it hasnt hurt traffic at all on my site. And yes it did increase the signups a bit (small scale because it was a small scale test.)

http://www.dirtydaughter.com/version...ner/pegbut.gif

Xtc - http://www.dirtydaughter.com
- http://www.fetishbull.com
- http://www.fetishpig.com

I just want to thank you all for your input. I am going to stick with my plan, and I will make money on this, and I don't doubt this. I will let you all know how it goes, if my idea gets profitable, I hope you will join me, because honestly, I think there is fuckload of free porn, and I am starting to notice the difference in my income. Eventually I will use pichunter as a traffic feeder, I will keep it the way it is now, until my TGP3 idea becomes more profitable than pichunter. Than I willl turn pichunter into the same things as sweet momma ( the galleries listed above).

I know for sure hun.com and other big TGPs won't change, because it is a risk to their income. I am a risky person, and I am willling to take the rist. I will lose traffic, probably 50% of it, but I am sure i will make 1000% more profit than I was maknig up till today.

If your idea gets profitable - you'll have no problem getting people to join you :)

You seem pretty smart - I don't think it will work, but I can keep an open mind.

Well Petr, at least you are upfront about it. Good Luck

shemp

Shemp, bro, you've been around for much longer than me, you know your stuff much better than me. Free porn is a big thing these days, it gives you income, pretty good one....if you think about it, some people work their asses off all of theri lives..they go to school, than they work for 30 years before they start making $50,000 a year, yet you make that easily in 4 months. I know how it is.... it's nice to be relaxed knowing you got your bookmarkers, and as time passes you will still have them, and you will always figure out ways to keep on making cash from them.


Last night I realized, there will be a day when all your ideas are gone, you have tried everything, all possible sponsors, you traffic keeps on growing, yet your income keeps on shrinking. I got scared, and I came up with this idea. I don't believe in God, but if I did, I would pray to God right now that my idea worked, because if all of us don't start acting up, we will be broke one day, all of us, including the hun.

Because let's face it. People that buy banner spots from hun quicjky learn that they have wasted their money on the ads. It won't take long before they will know this before they even pay for the ad. We all will start loosing money, until there will be only couple TGPs - the strongest ones that will survive. Than circle will start again - you know all of that - demand vs supply thing.

I just don't want this to happen. I am scared of it. This is all I have, and I don't want to loose it. I could keep my idea for myself, and I don't doubt I'd make money on it. But I WANT to share it, because I want things to change. I am seriously PISSED about all the freeloaders, every night of my life I think about ways of making cash from these fuckers, they piss me off.

Anyhow, I am fucking drunk at the moment, I probably wrote shitload of stupid shit right now, but all I know for sure is that things DO need to change. I beg everyone to at least thing about it, and come up with new ideas. I hate regular Joe spanking his cock using my bandwith.

Fucking 500,000 uniques, and I am lucky if 60 of them toss out their credit cards. WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT? Common guys, you all are geniuses, we all have something in common! Put your heads together and fucking do something before it's too late!

amen

Chris, I hope you will join me one day. You and everyone else. Fucking Joe the Freeloader needs to realize we can't kiss his ass forever.

Its 4 am here Labor Day Weekend, and I am sitting here in front of my pc and just did last month accounting. I am not happy, but I have had paysites for 6 years now, and trust me when I tell you. That's all I do.

Sit here trying to figure out a way to increase my money. I am stuck.

I have a really tiny tgp, basically for my surfers, members, and other amateur webmasters. It works good for me. I don't trade traffic and most will not even give me a look for my miesly 15k uniques per day.

But I do get my share of signups. So tonight I ran thru 2 galleries with that tgp3 flavor on it.

I know a lot of the smaller sites will take me, lots of amateurs like me with little traffic just basically generated from their own sweat and blood. Because we will never be able to trade with guys lik pichunter, shemp et al.

We are nobody for you guys.

When I first started to submit to you all (hun etc) 1997 there were no such things as galleries by sponsors, fuck there were only a handful sponsors. lol

Some no large, huge gallery owners used to email me and another friend and asked to submit to their galleries. And so we did. Now we don't even make it to their approve box.

Maybe I missed the boat somewhere. While having a good time partying, maybe I missed building a tgp or working a partner program out like ARS.

You think its frustrating for you big tgp owners? pffff. You don't know what frustrating is.

2 million amateurs competing with you
Every other Amateur is out there to destroy you, (Fucking trust me on that one)
Cliques everywhere!

Maybe its early, maybe I had to much to drink tonight. Maybe its because its a holiday weekend and I update paysites and run galleries thru RS hoping to make a sale.

I don't know where this tgp3 will go. I like it. Maybe the surfers will buy more from us poo folks who submit to you all. Why would that be so bad? I don't think you should link to the join page.

Here are 2 I made tonight and submitted

http://www.fucksexlinks.com/galleries/09
http://www.fucksexlinks.com/galleries/10

For the small tgp who takes me. Kewl, maybe I get some signups. If not oh well. Tomorrow is another day. Maybe another sale!

God I am rambling!

I think the leader is banned from GFY.


Of coarse, that's just what I heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who's friends with him.

Petr, I have no problem with the concept, I just dont think you should be fueling it with original TGP traffic. I send hits to your site, to blind link galleries and you send hits to my clean galleries. If a new site started with those blindlinked thumbs, I wouldnt trade with it, and I cant trade with a site that changes to that format. I have prepaid advertsiers that expect traffic and page views and there is no way I can jeopardize that.

regards

shemp

That's the crux of it right there. As long as the big TGPs do well selling advertising, things won't change.

And you guys would be smart to let Petr in the club. He will quit whining and his efforts to start the revolution will cease immediately. He is the only one with a half million uniques a day that cries. Somebody should wake him up to the obvious.

if traffic in general goes down , gig prices goes up
i remember when a gig costed 7$ ...

I will submit this kind of gallerie to your site.

Well I wish you luck on this.
I'm pretty sure this has already been talked about and done before in one form or the other.

So sorry but it's not a new idea.

I do support the idea of reducing the amount of free porn on the net.
I mean come on, 250k to a gallery and no sign ups! That should tell you something right there.
This has happened to webmasters over and over again. And to some of the biggsest webmasters around, testify brothers!

And if anyone really thinks Tgp2 is over and gone, well you just keep thinking that.

Oz

The idea is great and it'll generate more sales for sure.
But the problem is none of the other sites will join this idea.
You'll lose your traffic to the normal TGP's
After all most tgp owners think of keeping the freeloader happy and rather have 1,000,000 freeloaders that keep comming back then 100,000 people that want more but can't get it without flipping their credit card.

What's the matter pichunter? Still only making 10 bucks a day?
tgp3? nothing new. when tgp2 started I stated on message boards that galleries with no linked thumbs is the way to go if you really want to half ass stand for less free porn.

I have been doing exactly that on my own private tgps ever since and it does pay.

AND contrary to popular belief tgp2 is dead .
you retards don't get that a circle jerk is a circle jerk
but sheep shall be sheep.
lemmings shall be lemmings and this cliff is that way......>
and where the fuck is your fearless tgp2 leader?
seems he bolted on you:1orglaugh
ltrz
god of tgp3

This is a nice idea, and it will work.

This game is all about risks. This month i took the risk of changing round all the galleries I post on my free sites, and now have only 6 full size pics, and the rest point straight to the pictures inside my members area.

Its worked. just had the best August for 2 years. Signups are up 30% across the board, with all billing companies we use.

I'm sticking with it, guaranteed the big TGP's wont post these pages now, so i say ignore them, dont post to them

if all gallery makers did this, and did not bother to post to any TGP who wont list them, those TGP's would run out of stuff to post and have to take a cut down gallery.

I say its not down to the TGP's, its down to the gallery builders to get together. The TGP's will have no option but to list them in the end. And this business will be more profitable for all.

Gallery makers get together. We're the guys who can make a change. :2 cents:

Question

Do you think this site makes loads of money?http://www.sugarteens.com/

They don't give away the farm, It's a tgp/ big ass ad

I love it, I plan to build all my sites like this, exept a few feeders, also I will ad an AVS protected area for hardcore galleries

I haven't been around a while, but it doesn't take to long to see free porn is bad for business.

Any comments about http://www.sugarteens.com/

I'm learning everything I can

Tgps will not list a gallery that might actually convert such as TGP2 or what was proposed by this thread. They want the pretty pictures for their surfers and honestly why would they give a fuck how their traffic converts for anyone??

They will not list something censored, they want to keep the surfer on THEIR page so they can keep selling ad spots and traffic.

Conversions on any variation of a free site are by far greater than any tgp crap traffic.

Its called build a fucking free site and exchange links with similar sites.

Censor pics and tease the surfer, and watch your conversions go sky high.

Obviously anything other than traditional tgp galleries will not be listed by a tgp. Let that part of the industry do its thing, let the sponsors make their own decision about how to give out their content.

The internet is GROWING.

The hell with TGP3. I'm jumping right to TGP5. All ascii art! Ascii thumbs, leading to ascii full size pics! Think of the bandwidth savings! Woohoo!

Wait...TGP6....all ascii but only 1 thumb allowed per page. This rocks!

TGP6 FOREVER!

I think you are on to something here! :1orglaugh

Pichunter makes more money than you will ever dream off. It's just that 500,000 uniques could be making 1000 times more. That's what scares me. It's not that I don't make money, it's that I CAN and I WILL be making 1000 times more. It's all about efficienci and about taking advantage of your traffic to the fullest.

Petr,

I think deep down inside (other than the really huge guys like Shemp, The Hun, Zilla, World Sex, Ect) know that tgp's cannot continue at the rate it is going. It's the battle for who can have more submitters that submit 50 Series Pic galleries and 10 MB movies. As great as that sounds to the general Tgp that wants to have 1million bookmarks and 10million page views, it realisticly doesnt pay off for the people buying the spots, and putting out the world class free galleries in order to try to obtain a sale. Someone will wake up, perhaps not at the huge level that I have seen posted on the baords here for the last month (thumbs linked to sponsors, consoles on galleries, galleries with only thumbs and no big pics, galleries with 10 thumbs only), but I think their will be a change.

I for instance have taken a different route, i have spoken to Germes (Tgp Brownie) to develope a script that can check galleries that have thumbs that lead to html pages. Maybe not a great idea for everyone, but it's what I want to do on my tgp's (which I have plenty large and small), that will be my change, not for everyone, but Ill roll with it, will I lose traffic, maybe, maybe not, no one sasy I have to let complete shit galleries go through.

I respect all of the big dogs, they set the pavment, you cant and shouldnt expect them to change. Why the hell should they.

However I think some of the smaller sites that wont control the huge portion of the market should grow some nuts and give something new a try, that way every newbie that jumps online considers following the smaller tgp's design paths, it's like poison ivy, it will spread.

Xtc
Dirty Daughter.com

This is by no means a New Idea. Its nothing more then Blind Linking thumbs straight to a sponsor??....Its been done since the conception of galleries...It is fine for someone who wants to send their own traffic to it, but you wont find many, if any others willing to send their traffic to a gallery where 1/2 the thumbs go to a sponsor....Get a clue:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

yes,you'll make $10mil from tgp traffic

Interesting concept gotys, building these galleries would not take all that long after you have a decent template. Just switch new pics in everyday.

The only problem with this is the fact that surfers can get free porn from all the other sites out there that still stick to the "TGP 1" format. I hate to say it but I think you will lose a great deal of bookmarks to Pichunter because of this new format. Maybe over time it might be worth it but can you weather the storm. That is the question???

If you are already concerned about your cash flow maybe you should hammer down and put some money away before you consider such a HUGE change to your sites format. If that site is your bread and butter maybe you should consider trying the format on another TGP you own and feed it traffic from Pichunter. I am not trying to tell you how to run your own business. Just trying to give you options.

Good luck.

DH

P.S. What happened to the Leader?

Xtc runs some big sites,he will and i congratulate him for this,adapt the format of his sites in a way it will be more profitable for him. Gotys will do the same and again congratulations. Where your site ranks in sextracker doesnt matter unless your mission in this industry is to sell banner spots to others. It's not something everybody has to agree you know. None webmaster sets the standards of the industry. Each one of us does it and you need to realise it.

Why care about all the free porn on the net?
Everyone says that free porn will kill the porn biz and people won´t sign up because they can find free pictures....
What a load of crap!
If you think people wont sign up for paysites just because they can find a handfull of free shit on some linksites you are way off course....

It dosen´t matter if there is 1000000000000 free pics out there if a paysite still got the unique shit the surfer will like.

So get your act right and stop bitching.

CumSensei over and out.

Soul, that was pretty well said:thumbsup Good points made.:winkwink:

Getting rid of the freeloaders is easy... Design a site where there's not a whole lot for them to do.

thanks Wiredoctor :-)

but obviously most of the "webmasters" are blind. Every single day tons of new tgps start from people having purchased expensive trading scripts, the host on their own dedicated and they use the most expensive tgp script...they buy traffic for a site lacking originality and they complain why it's stuck at 5k.....

You know...the internet is a great thing, but it is flooded by idiots. Lately I tend to respect more people that talk less and act more, they don't ask around for anything they do, they try things alone and they are beyond the rest. Tgps explode due to some tgp owners talking about the money they make from their huge money blah blah...so every single clueless started a tgp. Suddenly 5000 tgps seeking for the same share of traffic/money. Great....give me a break. When I go shopping for clothes let's say I see business that make WAY more than any tgp owner on the web. Who are these people? Common businessmen, they run their own business in a local street, doing their work properly and this is it. You, egoistic tgp owner that you have zillion potential surfers you ended up having as only revenue doorway the banner spots? Congratulations.

I have been joking at Gotys in the past about his tgp, but this doesnt mean that I dont believe Gotys is smart guy, he achived his target within a short period of time. The same target that 1000s of you chase every day. Now his mission is to make the most of his surfers. I think if he stay focused and not get disturbed from the idea losing surfers he'll achive it. Personally I would prefer running an 150k site that makes five times more than a 500k site. I'm sure Gotys prefers the same. I recommend him to try alone and keep his effort for himself. He has the traffic,he knows how things work better than most of you. Who ever is going to drop a trade with gotys sites because he would list a different format of galleries is blind, stupid and his future in this industry in my eyes looks limited and unsecure.

<quote of LAMike's post from other topic>

Its not the free porn that is killing the pay sites. Its the free hardcore porn.

If we could somehow stop free sites from offering hardcore then the surfers would have to join the pay sites and everyone would make twice the money
It would be benificial for the free sites and the pay sites


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LAMike
The New SilverCash "Unleashed"



Here. You got the answer for 100th time from people that know what they do and you passed it.

I'd drop it in a heartbeat. The trade is based on sending surfers to a quality site. If the quality changes, the trade is re evaluated.
I think Petr and I have come to an agreement on this.

shemp

Funny that sites like link-o-rama and tommys-bookmarks trade with tgps. I know that trades are based on traffic numbers and productivity. I also know that many of you spread your legs to get a small trade with some big linklists. Exposure to less hardcore and different gallery layout will increase the quality of the surfer and will not decrease it. It's not hard to see the difference. Everybody would prefer receiving surfers exposed to LESS hardcore porn because they would be more potential customer than the ones the average hardcore tgp has.

Thank you Sir. I am definetely pleased to read your words. I am not sure what kind of stuff you do online, but it would be nice hit you on ICQ, drop a line if can. Thanks.

Other than that, there is not much to be said at this point. Everyone expressed themselves, some very very intelligent comments were posted in this thread, and I am stunned looking at your words thinking - wow, what a bunch of smart people here, and they can't cooperate together!

Yes, it is human nature, everyone for himself, noone for all. We'd be takling communism here, and we all know it doesn't work.

Again, thank you all for your inputs. I will post another thread within couple of days when my site - sweetmomma.com is ready to be released. I will keep you posted about conversions and profits, because I do want to change this world, somewhat. There will always be TGPS, TGPs2, TGPs3...whatever have you. There will always be two groups of people: the ones that inovate, and the ones that copy. I used to get very pissed about all kinds of pichunters being released. People would copy my concept left and right , and I would just get furious. Now I want the different. I want everyone to copy my idea, and it will happen if people see it being profitable. And when that happens Regular Freeloader Joe will have hardred time finding his free shit. And this industry will be once again a paradise for us.

Many strong opinions here and many which I don't agree with. We all created and fed this "free porn beast" on the net. Now people want to tame it. That's fine and new ideas are the bread and butter of any industry. I just don't think tgps will change much because it is like a crazy cycle. It just goes around and around with new webmasters and new surfers each and everyday. Plus therer is still plenty of bling to be made by filtering, filtering and filtering...

If you want to make changes start something completely new. Name it something new and feed it with traffic from sources other than tgps. Tgps are here to stay whether people like it or not. Enough bitchin' already get back to work.

BTW any tgp owner who all of the sudden decides to allow linking from thumbs after restricting it in their rules is a fucking hypocrite in my book. This is not dircected at any individual, it is just a comment.

Again if you want to change shit start something completely new which runs side by side with tgps. I am sure a lot of us would be willing to give it a go.

LD:thumbsup

Why? i know plenty movie posts sending surfers with blind thumbs to sponsors. Some times this forced way works better than waiting him to click on your tiny link. The very experienced tgp surfer will never click on your thumb and most probably will never purchase anything, at least at the moment when there's no need to do so. Everything for free. If you speak from the side of the gallery builder I have already said that this word through time will tend to extinct. The tgp owner can use any way he wants to make profit on his site. Obviously the rules in the submit page do not apply to him. Thanks to sponsors there are some 1000s galleries each month with sponsor links, without needing review waiting the tgp webmasters. Keep in mind what I said for the gallery builder.


Gotys thanks, jeez dont call me sir, we are the same age probably. :-) my icq is 164819091.